Xevus97
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Xevus97
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Winning karaoke is much harder than winning open class fight. With this bot I never managed to win karaoke, and even A class bot with S class vocoder wins maybe half of the timeThere is an element of luck in all parts of the game, it's against the odds but not impossible.
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Karaoke is harder because the person who taught you is in the competition. If you play chess how long does it take to beat the person who taught you how to play? Maybe never actually! But Karaoke is judged so maybe the judges just like your bot! For game play, you only have to win 3 times to complete the quest so winning half makes it short.
There's always a chance of winning, but at the sale offers you'll get, you're better off just selling them off on the BBS as bodyguard bots. No need for class S parts or any time to accumulate a win record.
Xevus97
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After getting to day 170+ I have to say that bot economy is all over the place. The best way to make money is by buying C grade bots from flea market. Everything else is significantly smaller profit margin and takes way more time, and the worst offender are A grade bots - there is simply no way to sell them with profit. Perhaps there a tier missing in the fight club buyout offers? Max offer for A grade is 200k (reputation adjusted), while max offer for S grade is 1 mil. That doesn't make sense, especially considering that BBS offer for B grade combat bot is higher than 200k
Evangelion-01
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That is if you want to avoid useing luck and save/load spamming.
It is quiet possible to scavange bots from the dumpster though the chance is dependant on the bots you have for the game (base game has a higher chance than with Mod packs, unless you raised the bot class by editing the json file)
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I enjoy reading this type of thing because it's difficult to know how to value everything without playing a lot. I make guesses and later I've occasionally adjusted values based upon comments like these. It's challenging because players sometimes get upset if the value of their favorite way to make money is reduced. The values of many things in the game are somewhat based upon the original BBS offers, sometimes poorly I admit. Some ways to make money in the game are better than others and I hope figuring this out is part of the fun.
Xevus97
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I guess I can accept that training C grade bots from Flea Market is so lucrative compared to elite tier bots. It is partially balanced by tediousness of swapping parts in and out. On the other hand, from reading your comments I have an impression you prefer to have an in-game reason/explanation for certain game balance decisions
However, when it comes to A grade being essentially useless I'm certain that this needs to be changed, there is no good reason to have this weird gap
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I'm not one to throw fuel on the fire. Well not much, but...
The A class post fight buy out seems a bit low on the money in that I've never considered it worth doing. If a mechanic is never used then it serves no use, so I think it probably needs to have a higher cap.
It does feel like the game needs a high level output route for A and S class bots.
I know there's the BBS which works for some types of bot but they are quite specific. Perhaps another type of offer where someone is looking for higher end bots in general so the skills can be more random but the price is that much lower to balance things?
The A class post fight buy out seems a bit low on the money in that I've never considered it worth doing. If a mechanic is never used then it serves no use, so I think it probably needs to have a higher cap.
It does feel like the game needs a high level output route for A and S class bots.
I know there's the BBS which works for some types of bot but they are quite specific. Perhaps another type of offer where someone is looking for higher end bots in general so the skills can be more random but the price is that much lower to balance things?
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The points made about the gap between A and S level bots make sense for the fight club. In a future release I’ll rebalance things there (for the second time
). The BBS offers will stay as is but perhaps some player(s) will discover how easy it is to make BBS offer mods. Open up one of them and start editing text carefully to create them. That’s how I got started modding DSCS myself. I don’t make rich BBS offers because I don’t believe rich people buy expensive things on E-Bay from unknown people. In the next release you'll become more well known and take the first steps towards selling expensive bots to rich buyers.
Xevus97
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Sounds great. One more thing - personal reputation progress seems somewhat inconsistent, see screenshot. Why is Bot Dealer so low compared to everything else? I sold less than 10 tech bots, and yet I have A in tech bot. Hard to say how many bots in total I sold, somewhere around 40-50 I guess, and that is only enough for D dealer rating? Oh, and some kind of stats screen for things like bots and parts bought/sold, mission count, etc - would be cool to have
Evangelion-01
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Trainer Levels increase by other means than selling aswell, haveing a Master Techi and Techi repairing bots and parts when not working in the shop also has a chance to increase reputation.Sounds great. One more thing - personal reputation progress seems somewhat inconsistent, see screenshot. Why is Bot Dealer so low compared to everything else? I sold less than 10 tech bots, and yet I have A in tech bot. Hard to say how many bots in total I sold, somewhere around 40-50 I guess, and that is only enough for D dealer rating? Oh, and some kind of stats screen for things like bots and parts bought/sold, mission count, etc - would be cool to have
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my bot seller got high by scavenging bots from the dumb, repair them (techi reputation) and than sell them on the flee market as soon as the damages have been repaired (no need to put in any parts either)
We obviously disagree a lot about the economy of the game, the dark web is the perfect place to sell expensive rare things of questionable origin, but in any case, looking forward to next release for the story progression with the girls and hopefully better opportunities to finally sell bots at a decent price.The points made about the gap between A and S level bots make sense for the fight club. In a future release I’ll rebalance things there (for the second time
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As another person mentioned, reputations are gained for different reasons. Most of the reputations were introduced recently and some of them do need balancing. So far my only concrete rebalancing plan is to reduce the gain rate for TechBot Trainer and Bot Trainer. One way these are gained simultaneously is when your Master and Senior Techie bots are seen working in your shop. The idea is that customers are impressed and talk about it. The amount of gain each time will be reduced because this happens a lot. My rationale (excuse!) for this is that your shop is relatively obscure because of the neighborhood it's in and your customers aren't rich and famous so even though they are impressed they don't spread the word very far. Bot Dealer is gained when selling bots, the more you sell the better your reputation. Better bots mean more reputation gain but you still gain by unloading cheap bots at the flea market.Sounds great. One more thing - personal reputation progress seems somewhat inconsistent, see screenshot. Why is Bot Dealer so low compared to everything else? I sold less than 10 tech bots, and yet I have A in tech bot. Hard to say how many bots in total I sold, somewhere around 40-50 I guess, and that is only enough for D dealer rating? Oh, and some kind of stats screen for things like bots and parts bought/sold, mission count, etc - would be cool to have
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This is the sort of thing the game intends for people to find. There are lots of ways to make money (and gain reputations) and players tend to find their own favorite ways. I've not used this particular method myself but I like it. It's just the sort of thing a high school dropout might do!
Thanks for sharing!
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Honestly the easiest way to earn money had always been to trade B-grade parts in the BBS.This is the sort of thing the game intends for people to find. There are lots of ways to make money (and gain reputations) and players tend to find their own favorite ways. I've not used this particular method myself but I like it. It's just the sort of thing a high school dropout might do!
5k for any 100% B-Grade part if the request is up... haveing several bots scavenging and someone takeing care of teh shop MC is constantly fixing parts and restore stability, but you can easily get every Upgrade +1 mil on spare, not like you need any of that once you have all power upgrade, capsules and stability upgrades
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You're correct about selling B grade parts on the BBS being lucrative but if this is your favorite way to make money you won't like the next release. In DSCS and in SR24 up to now these offers have been based only upon the part rating. In the next release of SR24 the part request BBS offers are being revamped to make the prices reflect the value of the part. For all part types except CPUs and Powercores this means the prices will go down, sorry. The BBS offers to buy CPUs from 'chipdude17' and Powercores from 'CircuitWiz' are also being revamped but this time players will like the change because the prices are going down.
The best strategies for playing SR24 change as you complete quests. The beginning quest in SR24 named 'Framed!' is a re-telling of the only quest in DSCS which was named 'Exiled Engineer'. During this quest making money is difficult and you have to work hard for everything. To be honest, I like this part of the game best. Radnor is better at developing games than I am and I wish he had been able to continue. SR24 introduced a lot of things that weren't in DSCS; ways to gain more than 5 AP per turn, more than 6 capsules, more powerful bot roles, a few human characters, ways to buy all bots and all parts, the neighborhood locations, etc. In my biased opinion, most of these are good things but they change the nature of the game a lot too. The strategies used to complete 'Exiled Engineer'/'Framed!' become obsolete because making money becomes much easier.
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Later: I looked at the code and surprised myself. I must have learned something because in less than an hour I was able to make it possible to move bots around in storage in exactly the same way they are moved around in capsules: adjacent bots exchange positions. I'm sure there are better ways to organize bots but at least it will be possible to move them around in storage without moving them to capsules and back. This will be in the next version which is on track for the first half of September. Not a promise, unexpected delays are still possible.
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