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Snugglepuff

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How you phrase something is important when trying to convey your intent. If you phrase things poorly, then it's possible to interpret it in a way that was not actually intended. Even if it's a statement of fact, it can still come across as demeaning if phrased poorly. Communication is key.
Yes, but that's really only possible when either the wording is ambiguous (not in this case), or someone who questions a simple and obvious statement has a history of being either disingenuous or is unable to grasp the concept of someone writing something simple yet concise and honest.

No one, but people are speaking as if they forgot what type of their site they're on.
Like who?

I already mentioned what's "holier than thou" about it. Reread what I said about people who use terms like "unlike others" in my last post.
Then restate/rephrase it in a clearer way... How you phrase something is important in trying to convey your intent.
 

Niraeza

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Yes, but that's really only possible when either the wording is ambiguous (not in this case), or someone who questions a simple and obvious statement has a history of being either disingenuous or is unable to grasp the concept of someone writing something simple yet concise and honest.
I disagree that the wording has to be ambiguous. There are people who can speak very bluntly and can come off like an asshole even if they aren't trying to be, and people who speak bluntly speak in a very direct way. Quite the opposite of ambiguous, in fact. As for someone having a history is not something you can accurately go off on when speaking on a forum where tons of people are in and out of conversations on here.

Like who?
Dipasiman when he told n00bi to "pay" when he was asking for someone to leak, and you when commenting on his hero begging.

Then restate/rephrase it in a clearer way... How you phrase something is important in trying to convey your intent.
Using terms like "unlike others" is a way of showing some sort of moral superiority in a given context. Just like in this very situation, where Dipasiman is saying that the community for Llamamann and Sexbot is better than the other games/dev's communities that can be found on this site. While, I agree that it's true in most cases, it puts down other communities here because it makes it sound like they only care to pirate and not support whereas here it comes off as we're above pirating here due to how supportive we are, despite the fact that people pirate here too. This is a place where people pirate, and pirates shaming other pirates for pirating is weird to me. Even if you pay for some of the dev's games on this site, I doubt you're paying for all of the games you play on here.

You can dislike n00bi for being a "hero beggar", but at least he isn't blind to what he's doing. He's acting accordingly to the nature of the site.
 
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Snugglepuff

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I disagree that the wording has to be ambiguous. There are people who can speak very bluntly and can come off like an asshole even if they aren't trying to be, and people who speak bluntly speak in a very direct way.
Being blunt is a specific manner of speaking directly, not the only way.

What was written wasn't blunt. It was concise and simple.

Quite the opposite of ambiguous, in fact. As for someone having a history is not something you can accurately go off on when speaking on a forum where tons of people are in and out of conversations on here.

Dipasiman when he told n00bi to "pay" when he was asking for someone to leak, and you when commenting on his hero begging.
Given your confusion between someone being blunt and someone being concise and simple, I see why you'd use those examples.
They don't support your assertion though.

A new version of a game releases, and "hero? We need a hero! Someone else part with their money and share the product to us" commences, like a kid in a toyshop.
The longer it takes for an actual pirate to the job for them, the more they whine. They don't request, they whine, just like a kid.

The vast majority of us are not in fact pirates.
The pirates are the ones who get a hold of it, then distribute it, which just makes all the "Hurr-durr we're all pirates here" even more stupid to say.
Most of us are leeches, feeding off the ones doing the actual piracy hosted by this site. Some of us are better leeches by providing financial support to the site itself.
Then there's that other group of leech that enjoys a creator's work enough to provide financial support. It doesn't stop them being a leech, just a different kind of leech.

Using terms like "unlike others" is a way of showing some sort of moral superiority in a given context.
You, like noobi, are ascribing morality to civility. They're not the same thing.
You can be the possessed of great morality and still be uncivil to people, and be extremely civil to others and almost entirely immoral.


Just like in this very situation, where Dipasiman is saying that the community for Llamamann and Sexbot is better than the other games/dev's communities that can be found on this site.
He says no such thing.
Nor does what he wrote imply it. Drawing that inference is ignorance at best, disingenuine at worst.

While, I agree that it's true in most cases, it puts down other communities here because it makes it sound like they only care to pirate and not support
:rolleyes:
Because money is the only means to support a content creator...

It's not, nor is it a question of morality. Morality does not factor into whether or not you or I or anyone supports, financially or otherwise, the creators of projects we enjoy. It's not about if it's the right or wrong thing to do. It's because we want more of what they provide and are either willing or able to pay for it. It's a self-motivated financial investment, and there's absolutely nothing moral about that.

whereas here it comes off as we're above pirating here due to how supportive we are, despite the fact that people pirate here too. This is a place where people pirate, and pirates shaming other pirates for pirating is weird to me. Even if you pay for some of the dev's games on this site, I doubt you're paying for all of the games you play on here.
Again, ascribing morality where it's about civility.

You can dislike n00bi for being a "hero beggar", but at least he isn't blind to what he's doing. He's acting accordingly to the nature of the site.
No, he's acting according to his giving zero fucks about even basic civility.
I've responded to him in the manner I have because civility does not require tolerance of that.
 

Niraeza

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Being blunt is a specific manner of speaking directly, not the only way.

What was written wasn't blunt. It was concise and simple.
I was giving an example of why being ambiguous is not a qualifier when speaking about how people phrase things. People who are blunt phrase things poorly and are anything but ambiguous, that was my point.

Given your confusion between someone being blunt and someone being concise and simple, I see why you'd use those examples.
They don't support your assertion though.

A new version of a game releases, and "hero? We need a hero! Someone else part with their money and share the product to us" commences, like a kid in a toyshop.
The longer it takes for an actual pirate to the job for them, the more they whine. They don't request, they whine, just like a kid.

The vast majority of us are not in fact pirates.
The pirates are the ones who get a hold of it, then distribute it, which just makes all the "Hurr-durr we're all pirates here" even more stupid to say.
Most of us are leeches, feeding off the ones doing the actual piracy hosted by this site. Some of us are better leeches by providing financial support to the site itself.
Then there's that other group of leech that enjoys a creator's work enough to provide financial support. It doesn't stop them being a leech, just a different kind of leech.
It does support my assertion, because this site is primarily about piracy and porn, and people who speak against piracy on a piracy site are acting not in accordance with the nature of the site.

Also, you have no idea about how many people on here are not pirates. You're speaking out of your ass on that. Also, you can't say that most people on here are not pirates while simultaneously say most of us are leeches, these are two wildly conflicting statements. Also, leeches that support aren't leeches. Leeches only suck, not suck and return what they suck.



You, like noobi, are ascribing morality to civility. They're not the same thing.
You can be the possessed of great morality and still be uncivil to people, and be extremely civil to others and almost entirely immoral.
I made no point on civility, so I don't know why you're bringing it up. I'm only speaking to the choice of words and the choice of words hold some degree of morality behind it.



He says no such thing.
Nor does what he wrote imply it. Drawing that inference is ignorance at best, disingenuine at worst.
I find that it does, and thinking otherwise is being willfully obtuse.



:rolleyes:
Because money is the only means to support a content creator...

It's not, nor is it a question of morality. Morality does not factor into whether or not you or I or anyone supports, financially or otherwise, the creators of projects we enjoy. It's not about if it's the right or wrong thing to do. It's because we want more of what they provide and are either willing or able to pay for it. It's a self-motivated financial investment, and there's absolutely nothing moral about that.
Money is not the only way to support a creator. Providing feedback and requested information from the dev are other ways of support.

It can be morally inclined if you weaponize the fact that you financially support something. It's like people who give money to charity looking down on others for not giving money to charity. Especially when you don't know what that persons situation in life may be.
 

Llamamann

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I get that not everyone can afford to support game development at all times. I also fully understand people wanting to play a game before supporting it.

Pirates are gonna pirate, and devs are going to expect to be paid for their work. Leaves us at a weird impasse, where I can’t stop you, but I certainly don’t need to help you. Now I’ve just taken to reserving my development insights and technical support for paying members. But still share news here for people following.

I like when pirates have a code. I engage with this community because I think there can be polite pirates. People who are fans at heart but don’t pay for whatever reason is their own. Who are not entitled to my work, but are happy to get it and show appreciation. this still supports the game, giving reviews, fan signatures, spreading awareness of it, adding to steam wishlists.

And I appreciate those people.
 

Snugglepuff

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You're speaking out of your ass on that.
Nope.
It's a subject that's been done in multiple thread, multiple times. The majority of user here are not providing financial support to creators. Devs know it, site admins and staff know it.
Only a fool tries to pretend otherwise.

Also, you can't say that most people on here are not pirates while simultaneously say most of us are leeches, these are two wildly conflicting statements. Also, leeches that support aren't leeches. Leeches only suck, not suck and return what they suck.
I absolutely can say it, and it's true.
There's no conflict in saying that most people here are not in fact pirates, but are leeches.

You're assuming that every member that actually provides any financial support is doing so at a level that means they're getting the earliest possible access to the product that means they wouldn't be using links available here. That's extremely naive, and only accounts for those who meet that minimum and only download and play the content that they provide financial support to the creators of, which is beyond naive and well into stupidity.


I made no point on civility, so I don't know why you're bringing it up.
I know you made no point on civility... I literally explained why you didn't, and why you and noobi (and far too many others) are conflating morality and civility.


I find that it does, and thinking otherwise is being willfully obtuse.
Ah, so it's "No, you are!" tactics time... Disingenuous it is then.

On that note, there's no point in continuing with you.
 

FoolishFool0

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I feel like we're all kinda getting off topic here a second, so can I shift the conversation back to the game development at hand and ask, under spoilers if necessary, if the beta coming out on International Women Day was intentional or not?
 
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Niraeza

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Nope.
It's a subject that's been done in multiple thread, multiple times. The majority of user here are not providing financial support to creators. Devs know it, site admins and staff know it.
Only a fool tries to pretend otherwise.
What's multiple threads? 2? 5? 10? There's hundreds, thousands of threads on this site. How many users polled versus unique user accounts created? I doubt there's a statistic that accurately represents that. Also, I'm contesting your claim that majority of users are NOT pirates, not users that ARE pirates. Or in other terms, "providing financial support". I'm a user on this site, I never partook in that subject. No one knows here whether I'm a financial supporter or not, and I'd imagine that to be the case for most users on this site. Also, I might be a financial supporter for some games and not others, who knows? There's too many holes in your logic regarding this topic.

I absolutely can say it, and it's true.
There's no conflict in saying that most people here are not in fact pirates, but are leeches.

You're assuming that every member that actually provides any financial support is doing so at a level that means they're getting the earliest possible access to the product that means they wouldn't be using links available here. That's extremely naive, and only accounts for those who meet that minimum and only download and play the content that they provide financial support to the creators of, which is beyond naive and well into stupidity.
Pirates only take, just like how leeches only take. That's the context in which these two terms are understood when used in tandem. Leeches and giving financial support are mutually exclusive.

The only assumption I make about those that provide financial support is the assumption that they don't provide financial support to every dev they play the games of. You're putting way too many words into my mouth with this one chief.

I know you made no point on civility... I literally explained why you didn't, and why you and noobi (and far too many others) are conflating morality and civility.
How am I conflating morality with civility if I never even mentioned anything about civility? You're using conflating wrong here.

Ah, so it's "No, you are!" tactics time... Disingenuous it is then.
Well... I mean... you started it when you say things that are akin to "Well, if you don't see things the way I do, then you're being ignorant or disingenuous." As if that's a proper way to have a discussion. LOL

On that note, there's no point in continuing with you.
K, Deuces mate.
 

jhose15xs

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well this is piracy forum, post against piracy here it's just so much hypocrite and leftard :rolleyes:
beside many decides to post their own games here when they start, begin to develope their own games here in the developers section of the forum and take inspirations from models,plots, or whatever :cautious:
 

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The only thing I want to know is that if the new update is worth it, I already know the three scenes that Llamaman uploaded to his patreon but the ones that are outside the time loop are the ones that intrigue me, those are good to pay for the beta
 

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The only thing I want to know is that if the new update is worth it, I already know the three scenes that Llamaman uploaded to his patreon but the ones that are outside the time loop are the ones that intrigue me, those are good to pay for the beta
Are you interested in the story and pretty big revelations if you pay attention? Then it's worth.
 
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