VN Ren'Py Shadows of Ambition [Ch.4.5] [AbyssGames]

[SymbioticLife]

Sure you do.

The difference here is, if you have something to say about my game, which you don't.
I doubt you've read it but let's say you have... we WANT feedback, both positive and negative.
I'm not going to run to a Mod to have a comment from our forum banned, or deleted because
I had my feefees hurt. Just like I wouldn't ban or kick someone from our Discord for having
a negative opinion. I would take time, like I do to talk to them and understand them.
That's the difference.

So yes. We can cut the fake CSR cardboard response. The difference here is I ACTUALLY
WANT SoA to succeed and grow. I think you and I differ very much on that. I don't see it as
just "porn" or spank bait... Well I don't see anything as soank baoit actaully

I'm playing it right now, though I think I've played enough to get the gist. I don't enjoy giving negative feedback—I have plenty of it, but I don’t like engaging in negative dialogue. The game just isn't for me. I find the dialogue lifeless and stiff (for example, "Did you finally sign that big deal?" "Yeah, with the client I told you about."). It’s the kind of generic, lifeless dialogue we’ve seen a thousand times before, but this time with even less detail, like a filler episode in the middle of a conversation. The main character feels like a spineless cretin with no self-respect, and the wife comes across as a gaslighting manipulator. It's for other people to enjoy, and that’s fine.

I also didn't say it's just porn, I said it is porn. That doesn't mean we're not trying to improve the writing, but that is something that can only be done through improving over time, and hopefully less tight deadlines than what we've run with so far.

I do find it amusing you think I don't want to see it succeed and grow when I've put many, many hours into helping... I don't even disagree with some of your points. But we have jobs, we have responsibilities. Once something is written we don't have endless time to rewrite, re-render and re-edit the images for that portion.

I bear you no ill will, in spite of you attacking my contributions, my skills and apparently even my gender as the chapter apparently made you "hate men". But I do find myself a little annoyed by the fact you seem unable to engage in critique without ad hominem and hostility. That isn't very productive.

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

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I'm playing it right now, though I think I've played enough to get the gist. I don't enjoy giving negative feedback—I have plenty of it, but I don’t like engaging in negative dialogue. The game just isn't for me. I find the dialogue lifeless and stiff (for example, "Did you finally sign that big deal?" "Yeah, with the client I told you about."). It’s the kind of generic, lifeless dialogue we’ve seen a thousand times before, but this time with even less detail, like a filler episode in the middle of a conversation. The main character feels like a spineless cretin with no self-respect, and the wife comes across as a gaslighting manipulator. It's for other people to enjoy, and that’s fine.

I also didn't say it's just porn, I said it is porn. That doesn't mean we're not trying to improve the writing, but that is something that can only be done through improving over time, and hopefully less tight deadlines than what we've run with so far.

I do find it amusing you think I don't want to see it succeed and grow when I've put many, many hours into helping... I don't even disagree with some of your points. But we have jobs, we have responsibilities. Once something is written we don't have endless time to rewrite, re-render and re-edit the images for that portion.

I bear you no ill will, in spite of you attacking my contributions, my skills and apparently even my gender as the chapter apparently made you "hate men". But I do find myself a little annoyed by the fact you seem unable to engage in critique without ad hominem and hostility. That isn't very productive.

"Hating men was a joke" I obviously don't.
I'm trying not to bear you ill will either so, truce?
We both want Shadows of Ambition to succeed. Agreed?
You just have to be willing to accept criticism as well as positive feedback.
I am curious which version of A Wife's Loyalty that is. What's on F95Z is the beta demo.
Which I joined up after to fix it. Believe me, I dealt with A LOT of criticism haha

We released the Alpha on Patreon last week. That one I re wrote. Not the beta demo.
But anyone with a not so positive view of the beta demo is very welcome to it.
I honestly had some choice things to say about it myself. I have nooo problem discussing
what I feel are weakness in the projects I'm involved in. And you're right, it's not for everyone.
My work is real NTR. Not the misunderstood trash filling.. well.. everywhere.

Enough about that though. I am sorry, truly, if I made you think I was somehow bashing you
directly for being a guy. On the flip side, my point is it gets old fast all the damn objectification.
Normally I don't mind it. I don't get mad when I get cat called in real life. I don't care if some rando
grabs my ass. I tend to laugh it off. My exes start fights though. I'm actually pretty chill with a good
sense of humor. The issue is how that scene was delivered. It was stupid and bad. Had Luke been there
it would have been good. Opinion sure. I challenge you to try my suggestion and see how it plays out.
I guarantee you it will be better seeing Luke getting teased.

So are we good now?

kristo0086: As I just said, I have a really good sense of humor. This is for you:



Me and my ass

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

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I'm playing it right now, though I think I've played enough to get the gist. I don't enjoy giving negative feedback—I have plenty of it, but I don’t like engaging in negative dialogue. The game just isn't for me. I find the dialogue lifeless and stiff (for example, "Did you finally sign that big deal?" "Yeah, with the client I told you about."). It’s the kind of generic, lifeless dialogue we’ve seen a thousand times before, but this time with even less detail, like a filler episode in the middle of a conversation. The main character feels like a spineless cretin with no self-respect, and the wife comes across as a gaslighting manipulator. It's for other people to enjoy, and that’s fine.

I also didn't say it's just porn, I said it is porn. That doesn't mean we're not trying to improve the writing, but that is something that can only be done through improving over time, and hopefully less tight deadlines than what we've run with so far.

I do find it amusing you think I don't want to see it succeed and grow when I've put many, many hours into helping... I don't even disagree with some of your points. But we have jobs, we have responsibilities. Once something is written we don't have endless time to rewrite, re-render and re-edit the images for that portion.

I bear you no ill will, in spite of you attacking my contributions, my skills and apparently even my gender as the chapter apparently made you "hate men". But I do find myself a little annoyed by the fact you seem unable to engage in critique without ad hominem and hostility. That isn't very productive.

Sorry. I had to get some payback hahaha




Now we're even haha

 

[Jivapeira]

Hello, congratulations on your game! I generated this image to show that I have some knowledge of what I’m talking about (This just the best approximation of what I feel the style is, using a lot of Melkor, of which I was a fan long before the AI scene. It hasn't been cleaned up or upscaled... t's raw footage.) and am not just pulling things out of thin air. I’m a low-key developer, and you’re welcome to check my portfolio if you’d like. Typically, I wouldn’t message a random porn site, which is how I personally view this, but while I was on my goonses, I came across your game. It immediately captured my attention... the style was compelling. I launched it, tried it out, and the consistency of the characters and the manipulation of the poses impressed me. I felt it was important to at least share my thoughts.
Couldn’t care 10 shits of fetishes involved, that’s for the rest of the community to decide. What fascinates me is the consistency of the AI and the narrative(coorelating images). Now, I’m familiar with Controlnets and Loras, obviously (I’m by no means a pro, not even a novice), I worked on some of my own tensors and stuff but... I’d love to hear about the workflow for training character Loras and working with Controlnets .The moment I saw your game, I realized I had to message you, ask questions, and show my appreciation... so, do with that what you will. I’m familiar with Daz and Reallusion, and I’ve invested thousands of hours refining my own Dforce shaders, especially when it comes to hair (though, with Melkor, it doesn’t really matter).
I see immense potential, maybe 3D game or recreating the shader in an actual game or a 3D novel. Imagine that? Whatever it is, the possibilities are endless, and they flashed through my mind. I couldn’t resist asking you about it, so yeah... I’d be glad to hear what you think?

 

[SymbioticLife]

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Hello, congratulations on your game! I generated this image to show that I have some knowledge of what I’m talking about (This just the best approximation of what I feel the style is, using a lot of Melkor, of which I was a fan long before the AI scene. It hasn't been cleaned up or upscaled... t's raw footage.) and am not just pulling things out of thin air. I’m a low-key developer, and you’re welcome to check my portfolio if you’d like. Typically, I wouldn’t message a random porn site, which is how I personally view this, but while I was on my goonses, I came across your game. It immediately captured my attention... the style was compelling. I launched it, tried it out, and the consistency of the characters and the manipulation of the poses impressed me. I felt it was important to at least share my thoughts.
Couldn’t care 10 shits of fetishes involved, that’s for the rest of the community to decide. What fascinates me is the consistency of the AI and the narrative(coorelating images). Now, I’m familiar with Controlnets and Loras, obviously (I’m by no means a pro, not even a novice), I worked on some of my own tensors and stuff but... I’d love to hear about the workflow for training character Loras and working with Controlnets .The moment I saw your game, I realized I had to message you, ask questions, and show my appreciation... so, do with that what you will. I’m familiar with Daz and Reallusion, and I’ve invested thousands of hours refining my own Dforce shaders, especially when it comes to hair (though, with Melkor, it doesn’t really matter).
I see immense potential, maybe 3D game or recreating the shader in an actual game or a 3D novel. Imagine that? Whatever it is, the possibilities are endless, and they flashed through my mind. I couldn’t resist asking you about it, so yeah... I’d be glad to hear what you think?

I'll dm you.

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

I'll dm you.

Well if I knew it was that fuggin simple with you, I would have just done this:



hahahaha

 

[SymbioticLife]

Well if I knew it was that fuggin simple with you, I would have just done this:

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hahahaha



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Well, if you come at me with technical jargon like he did it gets me off, what can I say.

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

Well, if you come at me with technical jargon like he did it gets me off, what can I say.

Hmm...

 

[shinken6969]

Hi, I just finished the game... and it blew my mind how much I liked it. So keep up the great work, it doesn't matter what others say or think. You have a certain vision, stick with it.

 

[Astr3]

Sure you do.

The difference here is, if you have something to say about my game, which you don't.
I doubt you've read it but let's say you have... we WANT feedback, both positive and negative.
I'm not going to run to a Mod to have a comment from our forum banned, or deleted because
I had my feefees hurt. Just like I wouldn't ban or kick someone from our Discord for having
a negative opinion. I would take time, like I do to talk to them and understand them.
That's the difference.

so yes. We can cut the fake CSR cardboard response. The difference here is I ACTUALLY
WANT SoA to succeed and grow. I think you and I differ very much on that. I don't see it as
just "porn" or spank bait... Well I don't see anything as spank bait actually. That's probably
what make my opinion mean more here. I actually love the story and the characters.



Look... seriously...

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This is how much love and belief I have in Abyss.
So don't be all "coming in here all hostile" When I'm showing Abyss so much LOVE everywhere else haha

Do you see where I put it on that list?
What are you doing? As the proofreader you sure aren't helping.
If you want to list all your criticism for my work, please do. I would love it! Not even lying.
Positive and negative, I want to hear it. That's how we make it BETTER.



Think about that.


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Quoting SoA in a list of 36 games is how you show love and devotion?
And to be fair, after l playing wife's loyalty, i hope you'll never get to be involved in SoA, cause you would for sure ruined the game. If you want it to succeed, stay away from it, and leave some skilled people do the job.

 

[cormac69]

I'm loving the game so far, especially the art, but the calling every client of the sexy coffee shop 'master' is annoying af. Edit * Since I was critiquing, I thought I'd add a couple things. It's weird to move somewhere with out your things. lol Like why the complication? He moved to a new city. He should have more than two shirts. Why not just have him move to the same location, with the exact same setup but where he shows up with a moving van with all his crap. That's be much more believable and normal. Still like the game but just saying. Edit #2 I should've played more before making a comment. The neighbour squishing his dick and he just takes it was pathetic. Wimpy pushovers aren't my cup of tea. Good luck with the game.

 

[dnylive]

Isn't the sexy coffee shop like a maid cafe? I was in two or three of those and everyone is called "master" in those.

 

[idkmanerally]

Hmm...

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sorry i think i missed some pieces of the conversation or maybe some things were deleted - why are you posting these images?

 

[micmac14]

I like this Game the art the storyline all of it, loved the update. can't wait to see where it goes from here. keep up the good work

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

Quoting SoA in a list of 36 games is how you show love and devotion?
And to be fair, after l playing wife's loyalty, i hope you'll never get to be involved in SoA, cause you would for sure ruined the game. If you want it to succeed, stay away from it, and leave some skilled people do the job.

Uh.. yes it is. It's called promoting a good story. And letting others that may never
have hard of it know to check it out. And putting it so high on the list makes people see
it first.. before... I don't know... My New Girlfriend... Which this copies. Even has fuggin Maki
in Chapt 4. And name drops the Neon Club. At the NYCT Club. So original. I find My New Girlfriend
to be the superiour story and yet, I gave what's called "Top billing" to SoA

Also, as I said. If you downloaded it from F95Z to be clever, it's the wrong version.
It's the beta Demo. I wasn't on the team them. Only after they released it.
So you can be all "You would probably ruin it SoA"

Okay. tell me. How do you think I would ruin it if I was on the team?
Writing skills? I can write a page of dialogue without saying slut 50 times. I know what a thesaurus is.
I also know the difference between a whore and slut and you guys don't seem to.
And I think I did a really good job in my mock ups. I mean really. The dialogue in SoA isn't award winning.
That's not even the point or why you even open it. You want the big tits not the words littering the screen.

My art skills?



That's 100 percent my artwork by the way, and not Abyss' art... so I think I have that covered.

You need to be careful when you decide to come at some people. You wanna get all huffy like
I kicked your dog, when I love Shadows of Ambition. How many times do I have to say that?
Being critical of Chapter 4 is a GOOD thing. Kissing his ass is a BAD thing. It keeps him from
getting better and growing. And Being all "I hope yo never get involved with SoA"... really?
I think you seriously need to recheck some reality. About many things haha

Like I said I can take criticism. I can also be a valuable asset. and a word of wisdom in
sea of fappers unwilling to give an honest opinion hahaha
Seriously, SymbioticLife... what would you rather have? Be honest.
Not me? That's not being honest. I love how you guys right girls like Kate and Sophie and
Violet and Ari, even Alice. Dude, I was a cam girl. And a damn popular one too.
Sophie does NOT have what it takes haha
You could ask me about that. I'd tell you what it's really like.
Writing skills, Art skills and real life skills. Oh well...

 

[Deleted member 7180813]

Isn't the sexy coffee shop like a maid cafe? I was in two or three of those and everyone is called "master" in those.

Yeah, that's the protocol in a real Maid Cafe. So is the flirting. It gets you hella tips
and regulars. Which is the point. Sophie's behavior is actually semi believeable.
You do what you have to do to keep guys coming back. And Alice's dislike of it is
also believable. The Maid Cafe is really well done. So yeah. If you don't like the whole
"Can I serve you, Master" stuff. It's best to avoid a real Maid or Hostess Cafe.
Maid Cafe's are tame compared to A Hostess Club. They have Cat Cafes.
Those are tame and awesome places

 

[Astr3]

Uh.. yes it is. It's called promoting a good story. And letting others that may never
have hard of it know to check it out. And putting it so high on the list makes people see
it first.. before... I don't know... My New Girlfriend... Which this copies. Even has fuggin Maki
in Chapt 4. And name drops the Neon Club. At the NYCT Club. So original. I find My New Girlfriend
to be the superiour story and yet, I gave what's called "Top billing" to SoA

Also, as I said. If you downloaded it from F95Z to be clever, it's the wrong version.
It's the beta Demo. I wasn't on the team them. Only after they released it.
So you can be all "You would probably ruin it SoA"

Okay. tell me. How do you think I would ruin it if I was on the team?
Writing skills? I can write a page of dialogue without saying slut 50 times. I know what a thesaurus is.
I also know the difference between a whore and slut and you guys don't seem to.
And I think I did a really good job in my mock ups. I mean really. The dialogue in SoA isn't award winning.
That's not even the point or why you even open it. You want the big tits not the words littering the screen.

My art skills?

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That's 100 percent my artwork by the way, and not Abyss' art... so I think I have that covered.

You need to be careful when you decide to come at some people. You wanna get all huffy like
I kicked your dog, when I love Shadows of Ambition. How many times do I have to say that?
Being critical of Chapter 4 is a GOOD thing. Kissing his ass is a BAD thing. It keeps him from
getting better and growing. And Being all "I hope yo never get involved with SoA"... really?
I think you seriously need to recheck some reality. About many things haha

Like I said I can take criticism. I can also be a valuable asset. and a word of wisdom in
sea of fappers unwilling to give an honest opinion hahaha
Seriously, SymbioticLife... what would you rather have? Be honest.
Not me? That's not being honest. I love how you guys right girls like Kate and Sophie and
Violet and Ari, even Alice. Dude, I was a cam girl. And a damn popular one too.
Sophie does NOT have what it takes haha
You could ask me about that. I'd tell you what it's really like.
Writing skills, Art skills and real life skills. Oh well...






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It's not about your art skill, it's not about your writting skills, it's about your big ass ego, your fuckin "i'm way better than anyone else on the team", and also your vision on the game is also so dumb. Saying Sophie doesn't what it takes says it all, again, i hope you'll never get involved in soa, or mngf. And no, i don't think you are that a valuable asset. But all of this is just critism tho.

 

[SymbioticLife]

Let's not have the thread devolve into toxicity please we appreciate feedback, let's just try to keep hostility down that's all. We do read and consider all feedback.

 

[swiver]

Isn't the sexy coffee shop like a maid cafe? I was in two or three of those and everyone is called "master" in those.

wow this shit real!

Been around long enough for serious study too. Wiki english has a summary

Maid cafés were originally designed primarily to cater to the fantasies of male

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– fans of

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and

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. They have been analogized as the otaku's equivalent of

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.

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The image of the

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is one that has been popularized and

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in many manga and anime series, as well as in

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. Important to the otaku attraction to maid cafés is the Japanese concept of

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. People who have moe fetishes (especially a specific subcategory known as maid moe) are therefore attracted to an establishment in which they can interact with real-life manifestations (both physically and in demeanor) of the fictional maid characters that they have fetishized. Cafés may also employ a

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theme - another character trope which is a subset of the moe phenomenon and refers to a character who is initially cold or hostile before revealing feelings of warmth or affection.

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Found this too.
Ignoring the sleaziness of bars like hooters is one thing, but whitewashing this as innocent fun? People are just breaking, lol!

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[dnylive]

Yeah, that's the protocol in a real Maid Cafe. So is the flirting. It gets you hella tips
and regulars. Which is the point. Sophie's behavior is actually semi believeable.
You do what you have to do to keep guys coming back. And Alice's dislike of it is
also believable. The Maid Cafe is really well done. So yeah. If you don't like the whole
"Can I serve you, Master" stuff. It's best to avoid a real Maid or Hostess Cafe.
Maid Cafe's are tame compared to A Hostess Club. They have Cat Cafes.
Those are tame and awesome places

wow this shit real!

Been around long enough for serious study too. Wiki english has a summary


Found this too.
Ignoring the sleaziness of bars like hooters is one thing, but whitewashing this as innocent fun? People are just breaking, lol!

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Why are you both telling me this? I know how maid cafes work and was just responding to this comment:

...." but the calling every client of the sexy coffee shop 'master' is annoying af"...