sir1234

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I'm not a big fan of the other girls either, and this is always the case with NTR works that introduce other side characters. They always get too much screen time over the main girl. I can KIND OF understand why some dev's do this, because they want to artificially pad things to make the corruption with the main girl go slow for a more satisfying end result while simultaneously providing SOME sex scenes for us so that people won't complain about how there's no sex in their porn game. It's a hard line to balance and not one worth treading in an NTR game, IMO, because now you get people like us who complain about side characters. It should just be the main girl and that's it. You can maybe make it work with the mom as well for some sweet mom NTR, but imma be honest... the mom looks ugly to me in this one. I couldn't care less about her. Which sucks because the girlfriend in this one is one of the hottest girlfriend characters in any NTR game I've played so far, and I've played a lot, and I usually don't like that sort of hairstyle on girls, but for her it just works.
But you know, this game has three routes, and an update takes two months. If there is only one route, this is completely OK, but do the three routes really need to be interspersed with so many scenes of other girls for such a long time? This means cockold The route has made no progress for six months. The next update of this route may be four months or more later. It will take a year for this route to see BJ's further things or the next time it will be a supporting girl's orgy? The author uses a single route method to make multiple routes. I'm not disparaging. It's justvery frustrating
 

Niraeza

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I think you misunderstood me when I said Melissa is paced good. She paced good for a "SIDE" character. Right of the back she loses a bet which causes her to owe money. We as Fred indirectly gets Melissa BF to present himself like he is cheating on her by helping out Jessica who Fred doesn't know is working under Jason and Junior. Melissa catches on that her BF is possibly cheating on her combine with her blackmail money gives her motive to cheat along side that her character is kind of slutty. She eventually gives into it and enjoys the sex as well completing the full circle of NTR. At least to me the girl must also enjoy it or it not NTR. It be just plain rape or I don't know blackmail or tying to mind break. For a "SIDE" character that is actually layer out quite nicely. "Us as Fred the hero wanting to help another side character Jessica ends up putting another side character Melissa in that same shoe." BRILLANT!

Now slow burn is good if there are rewards along the way to keep you entice and string you along. However a there must be a big pay out or else it ruins the overall experience. That is the problem with Camila at the moment. The cheating path is they only path that is pace decent story and reward wise, up to the third act. Everything after that it is clear as day that the creator plans on dragging it out. I mean you can not tell me that Camila won't fuck after she already kissed, touched, hugged, grinded, hand jobbed, butt jobbed, got groped, got foddled, got wet, talked in ways like she wanted it, to even blow jobbed. At that point you might as well give us at least anal if not, at least it just the tip or something like that of a cliff hanger. To entice even more. But then its a dumb tent scene, and another blow job? And we don't even know if its Camila. It could be the teacher, since she was the last person outside, and both of her and Camilla were involved in a blowjob scene related to taking it deeper, and both are somewhat in the same shape and round bowl cut hair given the shadow silhouette in the tent. I wouldn't be surprise if the creator pulls that off.

The other paths and girls are not worth it. Blackmail was to fast and straight forward not giving Camila time to naturally flow into it. Went straight to blowjob. Not even close. Fred already safe? Yet she doesn't like NTR. Huh? Cuckold is all over the place is which I can assume the creator do not know how make it work. Had he just gone the red room route it might work, instead we got this mess where Fred goes on a long dreamy trip? Jesus. Maybe if that dream is more at the beginning, first later half or early second act is then sure. But later third act? Oh man then everything before the dream is just pointless lol. Messy as heck.

Ruth such a good model wasted on just always being asleep. Sarati the sister probably second best in the game is also wasted because the creator want her story scene dragged out too. Probably second Camila. Jessica wasted because she could of play the girl who acts innocent helping Fred but is secretly working under Jason and Junior to help corrupt the girls and betray Fred. Instead she is actually a hero character. Dumb. Rose the new one comes off as a hole, eh em is one but won't fuck? Come on! Dragging shit out again. The teacher is a hole, but again won't fuck? Well in this update she just show up for no reason to fuck? What? Then why wont she fucks in the other path? Then there is the mom and officer I don't even care about lol. Melissa is the only one with substance, although not best, it works tho.
Sure, as a SIDE character she's paced fine, but the payoff doesn't land very well for characters that aren't focused on in the NTR genre BECAUSE things are moving too quickly and we don't necessarily get enough time to know the character better and develop a connection with them to truly appreciate the NTR aspect of it. It's paced fine for a quick and cheap sex scene. It's just an excuse to add sex scenes for people while the real slow burn for the main girl is happening, which is my main gripe with having side characters in NTR games in general and this game is adding new side characters every update, like Rose in this latest one. I wouldn't mind it so much if they used the side characters sparingly for certain plot reasons, like keeping MC away from Camilla and Jason temporarily or whatever, but instead they get whole scenes.

I definitely wouldn't mind if Ruth and Sarah(Sarati) had their own game that fully explored their story because they have really nice models. However, I'd rather they take a massive backseat along with the other side girls during this plot.

I can definitely agree that Camilla was horribly paced in this update. The fact that there was nothing that happened off screen when Fred had his first nightmare was mind boggling to me, because she was WITH Jason to prepare stuff for the party, meanwhile Fred is MIA for 10 hours in a nightmare and we get NO progression with Camilla and Jason in that time? It was a wasted opportunity that was instead replaced with a dream sequence that only serves to plant a seed in Fred's mind about his true nature. Using scenes with his mom which has one of the worst models no less. It was frustrating for me.

I personally enjoy the cheating route most, as it's my favorite type of NTR. I'm not AS keen with the cuckold route but I can still enjoy that sort of thing nonetheless. Though this update was the slowest of slow burns in that regard though, which is massively disappointing.

[Edit: Oh and I forgot the addition of the store owners Vann and I forget the other ones name. Even though they existed as regular shop NPC's initially, Vann gets a whole ass scene too, further taking up time that could be used to progress Camilla. They have really great character models too, but again, I'd appreciate it more if they just had their own game to tell their storylines.]
 
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Niraeza

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But you know, this game has three routes, and an update takes two months. If there is only one route, this is completely OK, but do the three routes really need to be interspersed with so many scenes of other girls for such a long time? This means cockold The route has made no progress for six months. The next update of this route may be four months or more later. It will take a year for this route to see BJ's further things or the next time it will be a supporting girl's orgy? The author uses a single route method to make multiple routes. I'm not disparaging. It's justvery frustrating
Yeah, I mentioned that in a later post that having 3 separate routes being worked on one after the other is another reason why pacing feels slow. He puts out a reasonable amount of content each update. Even though I feel the Camilla progression in this update was mind numbingly bad, I wouldn't mind it as much if I knew that every 2 months I'd get an update to that plot line. But instead it's 6 months.

Too many side characters, too many routes, too little focus on the one aspect of the story that really matters.
 

Rodorinho

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bro, I hate RPG games, I only play because I think the girls' art is very good, but I can't play this slow-paced game, I'm just going to drop this game
 
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3 different routes. 12 different side characters. Hours of monotonous filler gameplay. Any one of these things can cause slow pacing, and this game has all three. Shame, because the renders are good.
 

bloodyasura

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suck cock is not cheating ?
It all depends on your boundaries.)))
For some, just looking at someone else can be considered cheating, but for others, even a blowjob is not cheating.))
Friends, Google translate translated cheating as treason.
Can this word be used in this context? In the context of sex?
 

Sasarko99

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Lot of Renpy zealots on this forum today.

Still people have no clear that Renpy - RPGM offer two completely game experience.

There are a lot of very successful RPGM implementations.
Rather than moan for a port into a powerpoint engine.. ask the dev to enhance the current RPGM implementation
Absolutely, the two engines serve different purposes, and RPGM is made for *drum roll* RPG games, this isn't an RPG game this is a visual novel/sandbox game. The only way this game can be enhanced is by a straight-up renpy remake, RPGM is trash for making these sorts of games. it makes for a terrible experience especially for playing a game that's still in development.
 

Niraeza

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Absolutely, the two engines serve different purposes, and RPGM is made for *drum roll* RPG games, this isn't an RPG game this is a visual novel/sandbox game. The only way this game can be enhanced is by a straight-up renpy remake, RPGM is trash for making these sorts of games. it makes for a terrible experience especially for playing a game that's still in development.
I think one of the main appeals of working in RPGM is that you don't necessarily need to learn any sort of coding to get started. It's very beginner friendly, whereas in Ren'py, you do need to learn some basic python programming. Coding can help with RPGM as well, but it isn't needed.
 

Niraeza

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please explain the difference or meaning of blackmail, cheating, and cuckold in this game so that i understand the context and i can masturbate brutally.
Blackmail - Forcing someone to do what you want by threatening them with a consequence they don't want to face. Basically, ruining the relationship between Fred and Camillia by exposing her shadier activities to Fred.

Cheating - Camilla willingly goes behind Fred's back to fuck around with Jason.

Cuckold - Jason is slowly opening Camilla up to being more sexual with him and Fred will realize that he actually enjoys seeing it happen rather than get upset and end the relationship over it.
 
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thegrindisreal

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The Ruth & Melissa quest is still bugged as hell.
I talk to Ruth outside the school. Then with Melissa in the canteen as per request. She sends me back to Ruth instead!
I talk with Ruth by the bus stop and she sends me to Melissa again! In consequence, I can't do her photo shoot quest, because Ruth becomes blocked.
 
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I dont get the changelog, wasnt v3 cheating ? so if v3 is cheating and v3c is cuckold then what is v3b ? wich was the update before this, i thought v3b was cuckold so this would essentially be blackmail, am i wrong ?
 
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