RPGM Shrift 2 [v2.93] [DEVIL'S OFFICE]

[Gameguy889]

The issue is likely that he's generally tired of developing and drawing for games. If his posts on Shrift 2 CH3 is any indication, developing stresses him out a lot. Of course I can't confirm that, but he has quite a lot of twitter posts ranting about how much stress drawing for CH3 has been for him.

If people don't like him using AI and he chooses not to use it because of that backlash I wouldn't really be suprised if he just stopped developing entirely and just posts on his own for himself or commisions again.

Maybe it's just me but I have no real qualms against AI and if he's able to really fine tune it and make it look good, and it cuts down on his stress and allows him to continue making games, I wouldn't mind it.

Shrift is probably the best NSFW game in this genre, so he can definetly just retire since he's mostly (unless i missed something) a solo dev and artist. I really do think we're seeing some fatigue creep in, and not the type of fatigue a break can fix.

A lot of other developers ran into similar issues of being stressed, and now we really don't have many left :/ So honestly you might as well get used to AI because that's probably going to be the only way we can generate our particular fetish soon.

I understand that he may be experiencing burnout with his games,but I feel he should really prioritize his health over making games if he is so distraught. AI should be a helpful tool used to uplift the creator's work and invoke creative thought to further innovate and ease the burden on the creator. When it does the entirety of the work it looks less like art and more like a heaping pile of trash.

Honestly I agree with the guy above me Shrift 2 is more than it really needs to be and if the author is feeling low then maybe it's something else entirely unrelated to game building. Regardless I hope for the best for him to get back on his feet, because this is lowkey not it.

 

[FalAn21]

is the new demo is about him testing AI art? @@

 

[Magister Masquerade]

is the new demo is about him testing AI art? @@

Well 'testing' is generous. There are already in-dev games here and elsewhere that use AI and they put way more effort in than he does with the prompting... and considering he's an artist that can fix stuff manually or feed in his own stuff, that's even worse.

 

[torgst3]

Well 'testing' is generous. There are already in-dev games here and elsewhere that use AI and they put way more effort in than he does with the prompting... and considering he's an artist that can fix stuff manually or feed in his own stuff, that's even worse.

I don't really understand where this level vitrol is coming from. Did the game offend you that badly man?

I also think that you guys are unfortunately not in the majority, besides this thread I've seen more support for it then not. He has trained AI on his own drawings and posted it, and it was really good. This obviously wasn't trained on his drawings. If the feedback on his praisebox is anything to go by he's probably going to continue refining and developing it.

I really don't think it's as bad as you guys are saying when he specifically mentioned he's never really used AI and is still learning how to incorporate it, the main issue being finding a model that is compatible with his style. It's unfortunately threads like this that's pushed so many developers of this genre of NSFW games out.

 

[Magister Masquerade]

I don't really understand where this level vitrol is coming from. Did the game offend you that badly man?

I also think that you guys are unfortunately not in the majority, besides this thread I've seen more support for it then not. He has trained AI on his own drawings and posted it, and it was really good. This obviously wasn't trained on his drawings. If the feedback on his praisebox is anything to go by he's probably going to continue refining and developing it.

I really don't think it's as bad as you guys are saying when he specifically mentioned he's never really used AI and is still learning how to incorporate it. It's unfortunately threads like this that's pushed so many developers of this genre of NSFW games out.

What level of vitriol? I think you need to take a step back and realize that just because an opinion is different from yours, you don't need to race to put on a red shirt, draw a big long line dividing yourself from everyone else, put up flags, and then start loading your gun.

The game is worthy of criticism even as a test as there are other devs experimenting with AI which, for all the flak it gets, isn't quite as braindead easy to coerce into doing what you want as people think, especially when it comes to NSFW work.

So we have plenty to compare with, including his own work, which he would only prefer over literally as a shortcut. These responses are utterly reasonable.

I'm curious what your own opinion is on this game since you seem to think anyone who doesn't like it somehow wants to lynch the dev. I've been a huge fan of his work from the start, Shrift remains one of my favorite games of all time, I sorta like it even more than MGQ on a personal level.

The dev is releasing a demo for feedback one would presume. He's getting it. Anyways, if the negative feedback pushes him away from using AI, most people would cheer anyway, and if he's burnt out, then he SHOULD take a break and not need to be 'pushed' into it.

This is all already without considering people are patiently waiting for him to finish an in-development game many already bought and supported him for (me being one of them).

If you ask me, you're the unreasonable one here.

 

[torgst3]

What level of vitriol? I think you need to take a step back and realize that just because an opinion is different from yours, you don't need to race to put on a red shirt, draw a big long line dividing yourself from everyone else, put up flags, and then start loading your gun.

The game is worthy of criticism even as a test as there are other devs experimenting with AI which, for all the flak it gets, isn't quite as braindead easy to coerce into doing what you want as people think, especially when it comes to NSFW work.

So we have plenty to compare with, including his own work, which he would only prefer over literally as a shortcut. These responses are utterly reasonable.

I'm curious what your own opinion is on this game since you seem to think anyone who doesn't like it somehow wants to lynch the dev. I've been a huge fan of his work from the start, Shrift remains one of my favorite games of all time, I sorta like it even more than MGQ on a personal level.

The dev is releasing a demo for feedback one would presume. He's getting it. Anyways, if the negative feedback pushes him away from using AI, most people would cheer anyway, and if he's burnt out, then he SHOULD take a break and not need to be 'pushed' into it.

This is all already without considering people are patiently waiting for him to finish an in-development game many already bought and supported him for (me being one of them).

If you ask me, you're the unreasonable one here.

If you say so. Whatever tries to make you feel better for being unnecessarily rude to the dev

 

[bomb2022]

I also think that you guys are unfortunately not in the majority, besides this thread I've seen more support for it then not. He has trained AI on his own drawings and posted it, and it was really good. This obviously wasn't trained on his drawings. If the feedback on his praisebox is anything to go by he's probably going to continue refining and developing it.

I really don't think it's as bad as you guys are saying when he specifically mentioned he's never really used AI and is still learning how to incorporate it, the main issue being finding a model that is compatible with his style. It's unfortunately threads like this that's pushed so many developers of this genre of NSFW games out.

i think you are overestimating how degenerate the ai machine god can get
there are limits to what ai can draw

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and there is no way it will ever make something like this

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i mean what kind of prompt would you have to give it:draw a monster tentacle vagina?

and you have a really bad gaming standard/taste if you think this ai demo is anything but carpage..
serusley this "demo" is actual shit compared to shrift.. i mean it

This is all already without considering people are patiently waiting for him to finish an in-development game many already bought and supported him for (me being one of them).

im waiting for chapter 3 so shrift 2 can get a actual ending
after that the dev can become a lazy ai "artist" or whatever.. i don't care

i just want him to finish/complete shrift 2
i would be fine if he cuts down the ending to the government/church nuking the world
to purge all the monster girls and abominations in holy fire... that would be a fitting end

 

[Karakury]

Btw i think the "scenes" in that demo game are basicaly a Ai photo that he modified to add boobs and later on feed back to the Ai model and tell it to animate it but backwards.
Thats why it looks weird, the Ai was not ment to create what the hell he had in mind and yet he found a way to force it anyway...

 

[Magister Masquerade]

Btw i think the "scenes" in that demo game are basicaly a Ai photo that he modified to add boobs and later on feed back to the Ai model and tell it to animate it but backwards.
Thats why it looks weird, the Ai was not ment to create what the hell he had in mind and yet he found a way to force it anyway...

That's how a certain version of AI animation works. While you can create completely new animation, it's costly and rarely long, like a few seconds. You can get 6~ seconds of animation by telling it to give motion to a preexisting picture on fairly modest hardware, so ya it basically is an animated photo.

 

[javadoca]

How did you guys win against the lovers? The final bit it is impossible to resist because your will just gets depleted. The fight continued even after reaching 0 HP.

 

[Gameguy889]

How did you guys win against the lovers? The final bit it is impossible to resist because your will just gets depleted. The fight continued even after reaching 0 HP.

i just spammed black prayer and beat them in 4 hits. Are you even hitting the gym bruh.

 

[WindwardQuietist]

I like the demo for what it's worth. He'll probably get better at using the AI tools. Most of the people complaining are not paying him money in the first place, they're just getting it free. Though when he releases the full version I will buy it to support him.

 

[javadoca]

i just spammed black prayer and beat them in 4 hits. Are you even hitting the gym bruh.

Forget about it. I just had too oneshot the first phase to not get the skull debuffs.

 

[Facha1234]

Forget about it. I just had too oneshot the first phase to not get the skull debuffs.

Alternatively, try one-shotting it and use one of the items sold in the village to reset those debuffs for second phase (IIRC, it only increases stats, but that somewhat resets stat debuffs). Going to the gym can increase faith, allowing you to deal more damage with pray attacks.

 

[Cube-Chan]

Does anyone know why the "Dungeon Map Simplification" option is greyed out?
Edit: Because you can't change it from the main menu. Duh.

 

[Hanrushi]

The demo is like UNBELIEVABLY bad. My expectations were low but not this low. Its borderline Will Smith eating spaghetti quality.

I don't lean towards pro-AI or anti-AI, I only care whether the quality is good enough to replace it. Idk how someone who makes good art doesn't see this as more then an april fool's joke.

 

[WindwardQuietist]

When I look for AI done badly; what do you think I'm primarily looking for? Because although I see complaints on this thread very few people are being specific or setting any type of standard for how bad or good it is. So, I'll be frank about what I look for. Digits. Yes, digits. Fingers and toes. Are they done right? Are they numbered right. And you may ask why. Because anyone who has used AI image generation knows how hard it is to get consistently correct fingers and toes. For those who don't generate images it is a very hard thing to get accurate digits and those that do are considered to be fairly skilled in prompt engineering if they can even do that right.



I understand that my opinion is not the right opinion, nor is yours, because art is entirely subjective. But I cannot respect the criticism, if the images are not going to be brought out and scrutinized fairly. There are flaws in the game's generations, but it is more honest to just show them. Would I say everything is good about it, no I would not. Would I say it is an entirely bad product that has no potential and is essentially a waste of time, no, that would be ridiculous.


The commentors on his page have addressed that they like his original art style that he uses in his other games, they have also given some praise to his recent experimentations with AI. Those people actually pay for and support the artist and here there are people who just pirate his content on this website, so, if I were him, who do you think I would listen to? It should be pretty damn obvious.

 

[mhg87]

i think you are overestimating how degenerate the ai machine god can get
there are limits to what ai can draw

You must be registered to see the links

and there is no way it will ever make something like this

You must be registered to see the links

i mean what kind of prompt would you have to give it:draw a monster tentacle vagina?

and you have a really bad gaming standard/taste if you think this ai demo is anything but carpage..
serusley this "demo" is actual shit compared to shrift.. i mean it


im waiting for chapter 3 so shrift 2 can get a actual ending
after that the dev can become a lazy ai "artist" or whatever.. i don't care

i just want him to finish/complete shrift 2
i would be fine if he cuts down the ending to the government/church nuking the world
to purge all the monster girls and abominations in holy fire... that would be a fitting end

Pixiv has a LOT of AI teratophilia stuff at this point, and its ability to create uncanny shit appears to be increasing. Devil's Office CAN probably at this point make all kinds of weird sex monsters with AI. The thing is, it's very obviously not going to look like his art style. Or any art style, really. It's going to be have that same glossy, overly smooth look that every other AI image has. Case in point, the sea witch lady's Saran Wrap boobs.

 

[Magister Masquerade]

Pixiv has a LOT of AI teratophilia stuff at this point, and its ability to create uncanny shit appears to be increasing. Devil's Office CAN probably at this point make all kinds of weird sex monsters with AI. The thing is, it's very obviously not going to look like his art style. Or any art style, really. It's going to be have that same glossy, overly smooth look that every other AI image has. Case in point, the sea witch lady's Saran Wrap boobs.

Whoa hold on there bud, toss me some links to all that AI teratophillia stuff on pixiv or give me some names. Just for research.

 

[Mothassssasad]

Whoa hold on there bud, toss me some links to all that AI teratophillia stuff on pixiv or give me some names. Just for research.

You can look up the "Mesukuri-cha" (or something along those lines) tag and you'll find exactly that