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MidnightKing

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I'm a little late to the discourse and only just played this, but I wanted to provide a perspective from someone who didn't fully enjoy the way the brother is sort of rejecting the sister.

First, yeah most incest games on the site are dogwater. Rarely is incest actually explored in that taboo light and not just added on purely for the sake of having it where being related to characters means fuck all and has zero bearing on anything. It sucks and I'm glad this isn't doing that.

That being said, the amount of times I have read the line "I can't be thinking about my mom/sister/brother/child this way!" has actually given me some sort of Pavlovian response that makes me want to vomit. I realize it's kind of a problem only unique to people who play a lot of these, but it is like the one thing used in every single incest game without fail it seems. Now yeah in a realistic setting it makes sense, and there should certainly be build up between these characters before everything pops off. I wouldn't even play this if the two just devolved into an immediate sibling fuckfest day one.

This is a rare time though where I think it should almost lean into the lewd game philosophy a bit in that it can take some liberties with the plot. The twins, when reunited, almost feel like strangers. I'm sure its because of those repressed feelings resurfacing now making it awkward for the brother. It seems clear those feelings have been around for awhile. The game tells us many many times just how close they are. My vision, as an alternative example, was that like how the sisters sees this as a sort of opportunity to give in and... progress things (for lack of a better word), the brother would also do the same in his own way where they sort of clash and meet in the middle. The sister keeps up her teasing, the brother can keep being shy about it, but I think I would have enjoyed this more if it was mutual from the beginning. Twins are sometimes represented as having this sort of special bond even among siblings, and I think I would have liked that as the catalyst for the mutual agreeance rather than the brother seeing it as a thing he has to protect and not ruin. I think he could have given in just as quickly, and things still play out in a way that builds everything up to put it simply.

I'm kinda rambling, but that's how I feel about it. I do like the game overall and am looking forward to the mom joining the mix. I do hope she surprises me and isn't just "I can't look at my kids this way!" while they slowly make her give in. I want to be surprised. I want it to feel fresh. And while yes this does feel more realistic and slower in many ways, it doesn't quite give me that new/fresh/unique feeling I'm personally looking for (thus far anyway, the game is in active development after all).
 

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I'm a little late to the discourse and only just played this, but I wanted to provide a perspective from someone who didn't fully enjoy the way the brother is sort of rejecting the sister.

First, yeah most incest games on the site are dogwater. Rarely is incest actually explored in that taboo light and not just added on purely for the sake of having it where being related to characters means fuck all and has zero bearing on anything. It sucks and I'm glad this isn't doing that.

That being said, the amount of times I have read the line "I can't be thinking about my mom/sister/brother/child this way!" has actually given me some sort of Pavlovian response that makes me want to vomit. I realize it's kind of a problem only unique to people who play a lot of these, but it is like the one thing used in every single incest game without fail it seems. Now yeah in a realistic setting it makes sense, and there should certainly be build up between these characters before everything pops off. I wouldn't even play this if the two just devolved into an immediate sibling fuckfest day one.

This is a rare time though where I think it should almost lean into the lewd game philosophy a bit in that it can take some liberties with the plot. The twins, when reunited, almost feel like strangers. I'm sure its because of those repressed feelings resurfacing now making it awkward for the brother. It seems clear those feelings have been around for awhile. The game tells us many many times just how close they are. My vision, as an alternative example, was that like how the sisters sees this as a sort of opportunity to give in and... progress things (for lack of a better word), the brother would also do the same in his own way where they sort of clash and meet in the middle. The sister keeps up her teasing, the brother can keep being shy about it, but I think I would have enjoyed this more if it was mutual from the beginning. Twins are sometimes represented as having this sort of special bond even among siblings, and I think I would have liked that as the catalyst for the mutual agreeance rather than the brother seeing it as a thing he has to protect and not ruin. I think he could have given in just as quickly, and things still play out in a way that builds everything up to put it simply.

I'm kinda rambling, but that's how I feel about it. I do like the game overall and am looking forward to the mom joining the mix. I do hope she surprises me and isn't just "I can't look at my kids this way!" while they slowly make her give in. I want to be surprised. I want it to feel fresh. And while yes this does feel more realistic and slower in many ways, it doesn't quite give me that new/fresh/unique feeling I'm personally looking for (thus far anyway, the game is in active development after all).
I find your point valid, but one thing that makes this game different is the MC per se, that he is not the normal horny guy in the incest going for the sister. This game is obviously going to be a slow burn and that is something that I personally like. The game feels like it's progressing slowly, but it's progressing. The thing that makes this game progress slowly is that he is not pushing things. If the MC were like the normal MC, just lusting over every girl and pushing, they probably would have hooked up before and I'm not saying that is bad that they do it, it's something we are expecting, but I think that taking things slow makes the game more special in a way.
 

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I find your point valid, but one thing that makes this game different is the MC per se, that he is not the normal horny guy in the incest going for the sister. This game is obviously going to be a slow burn and that is something that I personally like. The game feels like it's progressing slowly, but it's progressing. The thing that makes this game progress slowly is that he is not pushing things. If the MC were like the normal MC, just lusting over every girl and pushing, they probably would have hooked up before and I'm not saying that is bad that they do it, it's something we are expecting, but I think that taking things slow makes the game more special in a way.
I agree in that it's good he's not like that. I think the sort of shy easily embarrassed thing he's got going on works with the sisters teasing. When I say agree/move things forward like the sister decided to do, I don't mean he should just flip a switch and become like that either. Even being a little unsure is fine. The beach scene for example where he touches sideboob or whatever and they both break away is like a good point of contention to not rush things. But then like aggressively pushing her away because "you're my sister we have tp stop" is where I start having the problem. Maybe because they are suppose to be such close siblings that it feels like such a trivial issue to have.

At this point it would be rewriting things into my own headcanon/ideas, but again I do think it could be written in such a way as to keep the current pace the game has while the brother was like "yeah ok lets try this" from the start. The sister can still be the main one pushing everything, but he could be enjoying it for what it is while still being a little reluctant and not "GET AWAY FROM ME AHHH"

Not trying to tell a dev how to write/make their game either if it comes across like that, again just my own perspective.
 
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I agree in that it's good he's not like that. I think the sort of shy easily embarrassed thing he's got going on works with the sisters teasing. When I say agree/move things forward like the sister decided to do, I don't mean he should just flip a switch and become like that either. Even being a little unsure is fine. The beach scene for example where he touches sideboob or whatever and they both break away is like a good point of contention to not rush things. But then like aggressively pushing her away because "you're my sister we have tp stop" is where I start having the problem. Maybe because they are suppose to be such close siblings that it feels like such a trivial issue to have.

At this point it would be rewriting things into my own headcanon/ideas, but again I do think it could be written in such a way as to keep the current pace the game has while the brother was like "yeah ok lets try this" from the start. The sister can still be the main one pushing everything, but he could be enjoying it for what it is while still being a little reluctant and not "GET AWAY FROM ME AHHH"

Not trying to tell a dev how to write/make their game either if it comes across like that, again just my own perspective.
I agree with that, it could be writed in a way that doesn't feel so bad and make you want to murder the mc xd. But the game it's still in early development, i will wait for future updates to make a more harash criticysm (if needed).
 

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Why am I think that lyna is more and more beautiful on each update? Sure your modeling skill get improved every time, but sometimes it has some weird angle like too much close up to the character which make their face or figures look too big and transform into a weird shape, sometimes it also make the texture of the skin seems rough when it is too close.:cautious:
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Just can't wait to see their mom arrived to find out her dildo lying in the living room and lyna is wearing her lace dress! Or simply make the mom to wear it again? Something like how the mom looked like in the past will be great too!:ROFLMAO:
I won't say lyna's size is very small but it will be much better if it is bigger, something similar to juli maybe?:unsure:
From the distance erik are I am sure luna must has might power of strength that can push him so far away...:LOL:
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What lyna did wrong is to let erik cum( and erik being a quick shooter is not helping at all), so that he has the refractory period to recover his sense, but I still think the feeling and action of lyna is described too sudden and fast, the writing of twins in dms are still better.
 
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I'm a little late to the discourse and only just played this, but I wanted to provide a perspective from someone who didn't fully enjoy the way the brother is sort of rejecting the sister.
First of all thank you so much for your honest review in the thread, I wouldn't strive to do better if all the feedback were extremely positive, and I could kinda fall into a trap because this is my first real project.

First, yeah most incest games on the site are dogwater. Rarely is incest actually explored in that taboo light and not just added on purely for the sake of having it where being related to characters means fuck all and has zero bearing on anything. It sucks and I'm glad this isn't doing that.
One of the reasons why I'm making this, kinda clear if you see my rant a few posts above :ROFLMAO:

That being said, the amount of times I have read the line "I can't be thinking about my mom/sister/brother/child this way!" has actually given me some sort of Pavlovian response that makes me want to vomit.
There's limits to what you can do in a modern world setting that is focused on incest, so yeah, I totally get that. I tried to make some changes, like the MC not being the usual pervert from the start, and adding some background to the characters so you understand their feelings better (like the male being kinda the big brother, always more responsible etc) but I can't just ignore the usual trope if I want it to be semi-realistic (without introducing some crazy stuff like love potions, a magic book that corrupts or whatever).

This is a rare time though where I think it should almost lean into the lewd game philosophy a bit in that it can take some liberties with the plot. The game tells us many many times just how close they are.... I think I would have enjoyed this more if it was mutual from the beginning. I think he could have given in just as quickly, and things still play out in a way that builds everything up to put it simply.
Patience, my friend. It's obviously done on purpose because I really like a good tease. I don't have the time to tell their entire story since they were born so I think I did a pretty decent job in explaining why they are in the situation they are, plus, I'd like for some stuff during their childhood/adolescence to be opened to interpretation. I need to build up the tension and increase the level of eroticism slowly, but you won't have to wait long for the next update which has some... great payoff for all my cruel tease :p

I do hope she surprises me and isn't just "I can't look at my kids this way!" while they slowly make her give in. I want to be surprised. I want it to feel fresh.
I'm afraid that's straight up impossible in this setting, because again, there's no magic potions or anything like that and repeating the same thing for Lyna (closed pervert with no experience) but for their mother wouldn't make sense at all because she had 2 kids, you know.

However, while I won't be able to avoid the trope in some situations, I can tell you that a lot of thought is being put into my plans to involve her in an unconventional way that will hopefully would be extremely hot. I can call this an adult visual novel all I want, but it's a porn game in essence, after all :devilish:
 
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But then like aggressively pushing her away because "you're my sister we have tp stop" is where I start having the problem. Maybe because they are suppose to be such close siblings that it feels like such a trivial issue to have.
Well, I explained part of it in my other answer to your comment, but also the year away from each other kinda plays a part. They feel a bit like they grew apart and are strangers, in a physical way.

I do think it could be written in such a way as to keep the current pace the game has while the brother was like "yeah ok lets try this" from the start.
Again, I appreciate your perspective and constructive criticism, but then I would have just rushed chapter 1 for the sake of it to get to the steamy part earlier, and then it'd just be another generic "incest" game. Good stuff comes for those who wait, and the build up for Lyna is definitely NOT slow. (Slow as in years of milking patreon money for a V scene :LOL:)
 
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I agree in that it's good he's not like that. I think the sort of shy easily embarrassed thing he's got going on works with the sisters teasing. When I say agree/move things forward like the sister decided to do, I don't mean he should just flip a switch and become like that either. Even being a little unsure is fine. The beach scene for example where he touches sideboob or whatever and they both break away is like a good point of contention to not rush things. But then like aggressively pushing her away because "you're my sister we have tp stop" is where I start having the problem. Maybe because they are suppose to be such close siblings that it feels like such a trivial issue to have.

At this point it would be rewriting things into my own headcanon/ideas, but again I do think it could be written in such a way as to keep the current pace the game has while the brother was like "yeah ok lets try this" from the start. The sister can still be the main one pushing everything, but he could be enjoying it for what it is while still being a little reluctant and not "GET AWAY FROM ME AHHH"

Not trying to tell a dev how to write/make their game either if it comes across like that, again just my own perspective.
I have to say that I partially agree with you.

In this scenario, the boy really does protest too much against something he also wants. It's not even like he wants to be the one pushing or that he has anything specific that he dislikes, no, he's just resisting for the sake of resisting.

By way of the access we have to both their heads, we know this. That's why I find his histrionics a bit over the top. We know he wants his sister, we know he loves her in ways that are not brotherly, we know that he can't take his eyes of her "assets". Yet, we see him resist a temptation that it is quite clear he had fallen for long ago.

I do like that he bothers to put up a front, I don't like, however, that he'd rather hurt her feelings than accept them. I do commend her patience. In her place I would explode in frustration and say several harsh words to that, lovely, but stubborn brother of hers.

All-in-all a delightful break from the more "traditional" ways to write this. We would be here saying almost the opposite if it wasn't, right?

Peace :D
 

Ruykiru

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What lyna did wrong is to let erik cum( and erik being a quick shooter is not helping at all)
Can you blame him though? His sister has been teasing him all week :LOL:

I still think the feeling and action of lyna is described too sudden and fast, the writing of twins in dms are still better.
It's not my goal to make it better than DeadMoon or something. The settings are completely different, normal boring world vs post apocalypse, and the drama here is mild
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So yeah, I don't think it's fair to compare these visual novels.
 
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Hey Ruykiru buddy! Now I finally finish yer game, well I'm not into vanilla games but I have to say that, you sure take your time, I really really enjoy every second of your game, I can't explain much, but I really like yer game even though I'm not into vanilla games, maybe after 1 or 2 updates I will give ya a good review, keep it up the good work man love ya❤❤
#no homo.
 

Ruykiru

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Hey Ruykiru buddy! Now I finally finish yer game, well I'm not into vanilla games but I have to say that, you sure take your time, I really really enjoy every second of your game, I can't explain much, but I really like yer game even though I'm not into vanilla games, maybe after 1 or 2 updates I will give ya a good review, keep it up the good work man love ya❤❤
#no homo.
Thank you!! Next update is right around the corner and it has some proper action ;)
 
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