Rick_Sim

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Some people can take what I am saying as "bitching and moaning", but they misunderstand what I am saying and my point. What they do not understand is I DO like this game, hence why I rated it 4.0 out of 5. Again, that is a very generous rating, and it is more based on the effort and art direction than the actual game as a whole. I appreciate anyone that can make any of these types of games, and obviously effort was put in.

IMO, and likely not just my opinion, to make Frank better and more realistic, he should have been very against the idea of being with his step daughters in the beginning, in the middle of the story conflicted, and in the end all for it (after the time he got with both Becca and Lilith). The writer, as the game is, needs to drive every plot device into you many times over, like you did not get it the first 50 times!

So not only does he maintain this behavior throughout the entire game, this game was obviously intended to be a slow burn. Yet, it takes so many clicks and useless banter in between every scene, you literally hurt your finger clicking so much (I never hold CTRL with these games). Then you get to the scene, and Frank finally has sex with a character. Yet, you cannot just enjoy this, because even when he is doing it, he is conflicted if he should or should not. This was okay the first 1-2 times, annoying by the third time, and outright ruined a lot of scenes the rest of the time. This also gets worse, instead of better, as the game went on. In fact, every single bad quality this game has, gets worse instead of better.

Even worse, the teasing scenes. You clicked literally over 1000-2000 times to get to the next scene, and one of the girls wants Frank (especially if it is a step daughter), and she wants him and tries initiating sex. Then no, Frank says they should not, Frank is conflicted, Frank ruins it. So then you run into another 2000 or so clicks until the next scene, and that could be a possible other tease scene.

Lilith, as stated by others and agreed by me, is sort of like Frank. She has obvious mental issues and insecurities, but she actually is written properly, as the game goes on she improves and becomes more "normal" and opens up to Frank mentally and physically. A lot more realistic and what should have happened with Frank. But Frank is either conflicted or needs one of the younger girls to tell him how to proceed and what to do. So he looks like a Chad, according to the game, but is far from a Chad (more like a Karen!). Becca is more like how Frank should have been, or both could have been IMO. I am all for doing things different and trying to break the normal, but this was done so poorly, it was not worth doing!

The other huge, glaring issue is with Abigail. She was the most loving one, and we all thought by the end of the game Frank would have at least one scene with her. Nope, you see her every angle, but not one scene! So all that buildup and drum roll...more teasing of a premise that never came to fruition. A lot of people feel she is the one they wanted to see in a scene, and it would make sense from a lot of standpoints. I am included in this, I felt that she was the "Holy Grail" for Frank, and would be the final one added to his harem. Sorry kids, the author had other ideas! Yeah, they can add her later, but I really do not see much point in playing this further myself, because likely it would be the same Frank, same stuff just with Abigail scenes (or knowing the author, one scene) added.

My point? This game, in it's latest form, takes a little over 6.0 GB of space. As stated, over 70% of that dialog is Frank being internally conflicted about literally every single thing in the entire game (likely closer to 80%)! This adds a ridiculous amount of material that could have been removed and filled in with progression, a deeper story, and more scenes, making this one of the top AVN games without doubt. It should have went from red light, yellow light, then green light with Frank. Nope, yellow light with even characters not part of his "ex family" the entire game. It went from slow burn to outright stupid and tedious way before the middle of the story and gets worse instead of better to the end! Then, you STILL do not get with Abigail, the one who we all wanted to see (and would be the most likely to be with for Frank, considering who she is and how she looks!).

Imagine the sheer amount of stuff they could have done with this, without all the useless dialog! As I said, about halfway through the content, I started clicking through every scene because I was bored and annoyed, the story was not progressing, and it was more of the same. Yet I only had to rewind a couple of times for the choice. Even doing this, I missed literally nothing about the story. That speaks volumes in itself.

The other issue I am having, is Frank is like a crazy woman in a man's body, he needs younger girls and women to make his mind up for him. There are plenty of teasing scenes too, which build up and build up, then you get more dialog because Frank was Frank for the 20,000th time!

That has woke undertones I do not like, as I am sick of literally everything woke being shoved into our faces. Kind of like porn games, if I do not want to see boobs, I do not download an adult AVN game. If I wanted woke material, I would seek it out. I do not want it, not interested in it, did not ask for it.

There are much better games in this same genre with similar premise and downloadable here, which are also slow burn but have a much better MC. This gives you more choice, and they have better stories and more satisfying scenes, often with better renders.

This game has so much wasted potential, and no I do not think this is Burger King and I will get to "have it my way", and no I do not think even if CNG read my posts they would change the game. They made this game the way it is for certain reasons, but they made it a frustrating, rather than unique, experience. For all the useless writing included and tired plot points, we could have had about 30 Abigail scenes! At least one would have been nice!

I am sure most would agree this has a great premise, but is let down by repetition and poor execution.

They succeeded in:

Most annoying, effeminate MC that is not gay

Most clicks in a game, ever
Most sought after scene, which teased to be working towards (Abigail), then not having it happen.
 

smikey

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I wouldn't be surprised if Abby scenes don't happen until the game is very near completion and will be taken "off" patreon for a steam release and whatever CNG's next patreon project is. Patreon is pretty skittish about fauxcest but not quite consistent in enforcement of its policies and what they consider objective content. In the earlier versions of this game if you named the MC "Closer" frank and abby were blood related, and that's been long removed. Although I think that also happened because the way the plot is going wouldn't work if Frank and Abby were actually related.

IMO the repetition of Frank's anxieties about his relationships with the girls feels like trying to make each update "standalone" and giving the narrative some unnecessary, at this point, friction in the journey. Frank, no one would know Becca or Lilly were your now ex-stepdaughters (meaning they're not anything to you legally, which Becca literally told you) if you didn't reflexively refer to them as your "daughters" to everyone you meet, just agree when people refer to them as your dates or girlfriends. Hell, up until 2 weeks ago in-universe, Lilly would've angrily reacted if someone called her Frank's date or daughter. When the Chasing Sunsets cameos ask if you're heading to the mountains or the ocean, don't tell them you live in town, you gormless pillock. It's not hard to deceive people when they're assuming your just and older man with a young girlfriend upon first glance. Also, move or at least visit out of town man. I look forward to the country vacation harem home update 2 years from now.

I'm pretty disappointed that the apparent fuck marathon with Becca happened offscreen for the purpose of being reserved for her standalone side story to be released at some indeterminate time in the future. And since CNG wanted to get out of the repetition of "every day ends w/ Frank in bed" and skipping days to speed up the overall plot pace they now like to end things on some unsatisfying not-quite-cliffhangers-but-irritating-this-is-ending-before-sexy-times-when-you-could-just-have-them-pass-out-after-banging. Last update when Frank made the declaration that he was going to "fuck the shit out" Lilly I was hyped, but we didn't get that this update, because CNG decided to end abruptly for the sake of a tease? The last two updates the conclusions didn't feel open or teasing, they felt as if the scenes were incomplete.

I obviously still like and think too much about this game because of how much I've written about it, but if you've read the walkthrough, we've got variable flags set for a handful of significant story beats that aren't even sex related for the last 18 months or so and thinking about the descriptions given there's maybe one that's likely going to occur this calendar year.

Edit: Actual thoughts on the update's story:
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MEDO. XX

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I downloaded the Android version, but it was not installed because the Android version was not signed to run on Android, and install it but i cant open the game it tell me - " This is not an original app released by the66.
Exit " can anyone help me
 

Rick_Sim

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In the end, CNG ruined what could have been a top game by trying too hard to not be every other game, the problem is that deep down this is like every other game, only different in it just takes too long to get there and is frustrating building up to and often during the scene.

A little build up would have been great, this game is like going out with a girl who teases you constantly, but will never let you go all the way with her. Then, if it does go all the way, CNG still needs to remind you that it is "different" by making Frank question everything and be the same exact way. So all that build up and still, Frank is in the "should I do this?" mindset. Then, oddly, for like 2-3 instances at a time, he will become super manly and assertive, only to revert and become wishy-washy.

If a guy was like Frank in real life, very few women would find him hot (looks aside) and especially want to have sex with him. They would find him too wishy-washy, too indecisive, and not able to make his own conclusions. That, and they would consider him rightfully mental and too effeminate. He could pull maybe some women due to looks alone, and his good qualities, but not literally every woman he comes across. I know guys some women think are attractive but find too weird to be with, and Frank would be in that category.

I just do not, in the end, like the way CNG made this and I would be weary to try future content he comes out with. Too much blubber and waste, not enough payoff to make up for it.
 

Bestinian

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I wouldn't be surprised if Abby scenes don't happen until the game is very near completion and will be taken "off" patreon for a steam release and whatever CNG's next patreon project is. Patreon is pretty skittish about fauxcest but not quite consistent in enforcement of its policies and what they consider objective content. In the earlier versions of this game if you named the MC "Closer" frank and abby were blood related, and that's been long removed. Although I think that also happened because the way the plot is going wouldn't work if Frank and Abby were actually related.

IMO the repetition of Frank's anxieties about his relationships with the girls feels like trying to make each update "standalone" and giving the narrative some unnecessary, at this point, friction in the journey. Frank, no one would know Becca or Lilly were your now ex-stepdaughters (meaning they're not anything to you legally, which Becca literally told you) if you didn't reflexively refer to them as your "daughters" to everyone you meet, just agree when people refer to them as your dates or girlfriends. Hell, up until 2 weeks ago in-universe, Lilly would've angrily reacted if someone called her Frank's date or daughter. When the Chasing Sunsets cameos ask if you're heading to the mountains or the ocean, don't tell them you live in town, you gormless pillock. It's not hard to deceive people when they're assuming your just and older man with a young girlfriend upon first glance. Also, move or at least visit out of town man. I look forward to the country vacation harem home update 2 years from now.

I'm pretty disappointed that the apparent fuck marathon with Becca happened offscreen for the purpose of being reserved for her standalone side story to be released at some indeterminate time in the future. And since CNG wanted to get out of the repetition of "every day ends w/ Frank in bed" and skipping days to speed up the overall plot pace they now like to end things on some unsatisfying not-quite-cliffhangers-but-irritating-this-is-ending-before-sexy-times-when-you-could-just-have-them-pass-out-after-banging. Last update when Frank made the declaration that he was going to "fuck the shit out" Lilly I was hyped, but we didn't get that this update, because CNG decided to end abruptly for the sake of a tease? The last two updates the conclusions didn't feel open or teasing, they felt as if the scenes were incomplete.

I obviously still like and think too much about this game because of how much I've written about it, but if you've read the walkthrough, we've got variable flags set for a handful of significant story beats that aren't even sex related for the last 18 months or so and thinking about the descriptions given there's maybe one that's likely going to occur this calendar year.
I wasn't a big fan of the whole weekend event because honestly it just felt like treading water. Most of the characterization that happened over the weekend could have happened elsewhere. But a lot of the story stuff is also just arbitrary. You have to do the girls in a particular order... why? Because it's natural? NO! It's because Becca the mastermind says so.
 
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smikey

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I wasn't a big fan of the whole weekend event because honestly it just felt like treading water. Most of the characterization that happened over the weekend could have happened elsewhere. But a lot of the story stuff is also just arbitrary. You have to do the girls in a particular order... why? Because it's natural? NO! It's because Becca the mastermind says so.
Unlike Stalin, Becca's five year plan has borne out the fruits she expected. Two of her three primary goals have been achieved: she is with Frank in a romantic relationship, Lilly is with Frank in a romantic relationship and is willing to share their Daddy. The last part of her plan was that Abby is ok with or at least tolerant of that situation. Personally I can't wait for endgame of Mei to be the legal, on paper wife/cuckqueen, Becca as Frank's bottom bitch/cuckqueen, Lilly will probably in a situation similar to Beth/Nessa where Frank is a marital aid. My anticipation is if CNG has Mei's kinks and fetishes planned out or if it's a situation of adopting some of your partner's kink to make them happy. I'm really just champing at the bit for more Mei content.

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MrLKX

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It does make sense to a certain extent:
Abby has to come after Lilly because otherwise there would have been drama with Lilly at the time (see also the update after Lilith's longing and her reaction to finding Frank and Abby in the same bed).

Lilly has to come early because otherwise she would have fallen head over heels for another relationship and sooner or later would have been knocked up by some dumbass.

The old Lilly was quite "possessive", much like her mother, and would never have accepted it if Frank had ever had anything with anyone else. Therefore, she had to think that he already had something with someone else who is willing to share Frank with him and with whom Lilly would not have such a big problem that Frank has something with her, which disqualifies Abby and Mei and actually qualifies only the planner Becca.

How would it go if the order was different?
Abby first: Lilly would never forgive Frank and would be gone, would sooner or later end up with a jerk who put a bun in her oven.
Lilly first and she would know: she would insist that Frank should only be allowed to have something with her, which would make everyone else impossible.

Meiko can be placed both before and after Abby. Since everyone is fine with her there is no problem there.

If we consider the previous storyline with Lilly, Abby's first scene in the update will be AFTER her side story and meeting her birth father.
 

ccxvidonaferens

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I will open up by saying that thus far I am enjoying this story and after seeing what some people here are saying regarding the slow burn and lack of progression regarding the relationship with Abby my general response is that I don't mind it overmuch. The only caveat I have is that, in any sort of storytelling, the longer you delay particular moments and developments the greater the risk of the payoff being underwhelming (ie the result doesn't live up to the hype). As an example from out of this space of dragging out an important story revealation you have the reveal of what was going on in LOST for example.
 

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There is no censored version! There is an official release of the full game which is many, many versions behind the version posted here, and the version posted here is the full game that Patrons get.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. It would be helpful if the top post clarified exactly what was linked (this is true for many game threads).
 
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Mmushy

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MC is the kind of guy you want your daughter to go out with and marry (until he starts fucking your grandkids ) :oops:
Looking at his actions in the past and present, he's the good guy, good morals, ethical, gentle, loving, responsible, caring, gentle etc. Look at how he tries to be a good father, how he tries to guide the girls and care for them.
So his internal conflict is part of his character and is understandable.
HOWEVER with that being said, once you've gone balls deep in them s few times, it's time to stop. No more, I shouldn't, it's wrong etc.
Time to man up and own your actions.
 

Reiyayru

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Been enjoying the game so far and while I have a few thoughts about the MC and his portrayal and issues there's something I am confused about. Have the walkthrough mod and written one open and there are a couple choices that are recommended that lead away from a more naughty scene, not sure if it's to follow how the MC thinks and acts or some other reason cause going through I do not see any reason to choose the opposite, two examples being the porn channel thing. Appearently choosing the option that avoids Abby from accidently chaging to that channel is recommeded and I can not see why, along with the choice to say no to her joining the mc in the shower, saying no it looks like she just returns to bed and gives you a shorter scene with no negative. If someone can explain if I'm missing something I would be very grateful
 

Mommysbuttslut

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Been enjoying the game so far and while I have a few thoughts about the MC and his portrayal and issues there's something I am confused about. Have the walkthrough mod and written one open and there are a couple choices that are recommended that lead away from a more naughty scene, not sure if it's to follow how the MC thinks and acts or some other reason cause going through I do not see any reason to choose the opposite, two examples being the porn channel thing. Appearently choosing the option that avoids Abby from accidently chaging to that channel is recommeded and I can not see why, along with the choice to say no to her joining the mc in the shower, saying no it looks like she just returns to bed and gives you a shorter scene with no negative. If someone can explain if I'm missing something I would be very grateful
The green options in the pdf walkthrough aren't necessarily the best choice, but rather the canon choice. Since Frank's a "bit" of a wet blanket his canon choice isn't always the best one.
My favourite example is the one where Mei strips naked while working with Frank one morning. If I remember right the canon choice will lead to her stripping down to her underwear instead. I'd honestly recommend using the pdf instead of the mod just so you can actually know why something's green and not just that it is.
 

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The girls are so neurotic. Lily needs glasses but doesn't wear them and Becca wears glasses and doesn't need them. All because she saw how Frank looked at Lily when she was wearing them as a child. Everybody needs therapy. So much therapy.
 

MrLKX

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The girls are so neurotic. Lily needs glasses but doesn't wear them and Becca wears glasses and doesn't need them. All because she saw how Frank looked at Lily when she was wearing them as a child. Everybody needs therapy. So much therapy.
As far as I remember Lilly needs her glasses only for driving while Becca needs them either only for reading but definitely because she knows that Frank finds women with glasses attractive.
 

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The girls are so neurotic. Lily needs glasses but doesn't wear them and Becca wears glasses and doesn't need them. All because she saw how Frank looked at Lily when she was wearing them as a child. Everybody needs therapy. So much therapy.
I have seen both versions in real life at that age group. With males as well. So while it may not be sensible, it is not out of the ordinary. Especially if you do behave correctly if nobody is looking.
 
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cxx

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The girls are so neurotic. Lily needs glasses but doesn't wear them and Becca wears glasses and doesn't need them. All because she saw how Frank looked at Lily when she was wearing them as a child. Everybody needs therapy. So much therapy.
well good thing that there's shrink living on next door.
 
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