VN Ren'Py Single Again [v1.24.2] [Clever name games]

[Barbaric -Shelf]

this game is certainly interesting actually giving you a chance to play through the divorce. although im now wandering if the incest tag should be removed from the game as they are no biologically related... unless he hooks or has hooked up with his sister

 

[MrFriendly]

this game is certainly interesting actually giving you a chance to play through the divorce. although im now wandering if the incest tag should be removed from the game as they are no biologically related... unless he hooks or has hooked up with his sister

Or... Going off the speculation of others... If Shannon's ex was Jess's ex then Abby and Lily are sisters and thus it is incest, um right?

I know that's far-fetched but I saw someone suggest that perhaps the ex for both women was one and the same... And that Shannon was screwing him when Frank found them fucking.

As I understand the Incest tag it isn't just blood-relation, it is also the familial role that matters...

 

[g6107419]

This was a really good game, how often does the dev generally update? (once every 1/2/3 months?)

 

[luwinkle]

I'm just gonna leave this for the dev in case he sees it:

You're.

That is all, carry on.

 

[Rizky_4real]

i came for incest tag, but bloody hell that was misleading.. whoever put tag pls reconsider, dont want to see something like this in future, giving us false hope

 

[Maviarab]

i came for incest tag, but bloody hell that was misleading.. whoever put tag pls reconsider, dont want to see something like this in future, giving us false hope

As I understand the Incest tag it isn't just blood-relation, it is also the familial role that matters...

 

[Rizky_4real]

in my country this was described as fake incest, quite different.

 

[christof rauch]

in my country this was described as fake incest, quite different.

1) Abigale is Frank's ADOPTED daughter, so if sex or sexual acts happen between them, that is incest in all senses of the word.

2) Becca and Lilly are considered by Frank to be his daughters, regardless of the fact that they are step daughters in the legal sense.

3) Regardless of the above statements, if this story were actually happening IRL, ANY sexual activity between Frank and the 3 girls (regardless whether they are adult - Of Legal Age of Consent), in nearly every country I know of would be considered incest and in most of them -if not all of them - it would be prosecuted as a crime.

 

[Rizky_4real]

aight, if in porn movie it was describe as incest then its incest because blood related incest would contradict to social taboo policy, and we dont want the game to be shut down because of that.. so lets leave at that

 

[Maviarab]

1) Abigale is Frank's ADOPTED daughter, so if sex or sexual acts happen between them, that is incest in all senses of the word.

2) Becca and Lilly are considered by Frank to be his daughters, regardless of the fact that they are step daughters in the legal sense.

3) Regardless of the above statements, if this story were actually happening IRL, ANY sexual activity between Frank and the 3 girls (regardless whether they are adult - Of Legal Age of Consent), in nearly every country I know of would be considered incest and in most of them -if not all of them - it would be prosecuted as a crime.

1. Only for companies like Paypal. It is not illegal.
2. Considered yes in a familiaral and moral envorment.
3. Incorrect. Not blood means nothing illegal is taking place in a countries laws. Morally incomprehensible perhaps (and most people have morals when it suits), but not illegal, certainly not in the western world.

 

[magus448]

Well they aren't his step daughters anymore since he divorced their mother.

 

[Jstforme]

Well, after reading the Dev's posts, the feeling I got from the story was the Dev implementing their own over the top catholic priest moral values into the story. The MC is painfully stubborn in this story...as of the end of the last update, I'm surprised the MC even allows any of the girls to hug him.
There are no blood relations, just because they're younger than him doesn't make it immoral, you need to consider your audience, and write accordingly...take your own hangups on morality out of the story.

 

[MrFriendly]

Well, after reading the Dev's posts, the feeling I got from the story was the Dev implementing their own over the top catholic priest moral values into the story. The MC is painfully stubborn in this story...as of the end of the last update, I'm surprised the MC even allows any of the girls to hug him.
There are no blood relations, just because they're younger than him doesn't make it immoral, you need to consider your audience, and write accordingly...take your own hangups on morality out of the story.

No, he should write what he wants and knows he wants to write. This is his story and we can take it or leave it.

The MC is physically affectionate from the beginning, he can hug Abigail from update 1 on, he can attempt to hug Lillith, and he can hug Becca. It is up to the player to choose to hug/attempt to hug them.

Also his audience isn't F95, he isn't on this site. He is creating this game for himself and his patreon members. We benefit from the fact that people pirate his work for us. We are not necessarily the intended audience.

 

[christof rauch]

1. Only for companies like Paypal. It is not illegal.
2. Considered yes in a familiaral and moral envorment.
3. Incorrect. Not blood means nothing illegal is taking place in a countries laws. Morally incomprehensible perhaps (and most people have morals when it suits), but not illegal, certainly not in the western world.

Sorry to disagree but, in the US if a woman and man marry, and that marriage has children from a previous marriage (from either husband or wife) the step parent who engages in sexual activities with those step children are committing a crime. The courts would call it both Incest and child molestation, same as any European Country. Once the Non-Blood related parent engages in any sexual activity with the step child they can be prosecuted for a sex crime.

Understand, however, I am speaking of Real Life, not a game. In a game, any laws could relate, it is up to the developer. for this game, yes PayPal, Patreon, or any other pay site could ban games from their site that includes incest, underage sex, etc... That is up to the website.

My previous comment was to only explain that in Most Western World countries, incest can cover a wide range of familial sexual activities, from Father/Daughter, Mother/Son, siblings, cousins Aunts and Uncles, etc. And as far as I have ever been aware of, Incest in most of its forms is illegal (in Real Life).

 

[Naxos]

i came for incest tag, but bloody hell that was misleading.. whoever put tag pls reconsider, dont want to see something like this in future, giving us false hope

I came for the harem and stayed for the story. Seriously cannot wait for this to be updated. Probably number 2 on my list of wanting and update.

 

[Maviarab]

Sorry to disagree but, in the US if a woman and man marry, and that marriage has children from a previous marriage (from either husband or wife) the step parent who engages in sexual activities with those step children are committing a crime. The courts would call it both Incest and child molestation, same as any European Country. Once the Non-Blood related parent engages in any sexual activity with the step child they can be prosecuted for a sex crime.

Understand, however, I am speaking of Real Life, not a game. In a game, any laws could relate, it is up to the developer. for this game, yes PayPal, Patreon, or any other pay site could ban games from their site that includes incest, underage sex, etc... That is up to the website.

My previous comment was to only explain that in Most Western World countries, incest can cover a wide range of familial sexual activities, from Father/Daughter, Mother/Son, siblings, cousins Aunts and Uncles, etc. And as far as I have ever been aware of, Incest in most of its forms is illegal (in Real Life).

And I wasn't referring to ultra religious countries stuck in the dark ages with laws from the last millenia regarding LGBT, age of consent or drinking age. Perfectly legal here in UK and most of Europe (and I imagine the rest of the Commenwealth too). They are NOT related, thus regrdless of any marital legal relation, there is no crime being committed under the legal definition of incest.

noun
noun: incest

1. sexual relations between people classed as being too closely related to marry each other.
   • the crime of having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild.

A step-child, step-sister, step-mother, even adopted child....is not a blood relative. Too closely 'related to marry' relates to any possible children of that union due to the increased risk of birth defects (if that actually is a statistical fact, I don't know). That's the only reason it's illegal (other than backwards liberal religious doctrine which imo, has no place in a modern society, but that's a whole other debate we probably shouldn't head towards). Also, afaik, second cousins removed are also perfectly legal in most countries. All about the bloodline and the risk to any children (when taking religion out of the equation).

Would the left wing morality police be all over your ass? Sure they would (just like they would if a 50yo guy had a 19yo gf), because far too many people are too narrow minded and lead sad pathetic lives and like to interfere in others business. But again, that's a whole other discussion topic.

 

[HorizonD]

Agree with you there.
If the step-something is no adult, then I had my issues with it (child abuse).
But if they are adults and it's consensual, I would see no problem with it.

Just because some people think this is immoral doesn't mean it's bad.
I see no basis for it either.

I think the Incest law is only meant to protect against child abuse and genetic degeneration.
We can read about it what it did in the past.
What some people draw from it in their moral imagination is another matter.

And as long as real incest stays in stories and VN's I have no problem with it either.

 

[Maviarab]

Agree with you there.
If the step-something is no adult, then I had my issues with it (child abuse).
But if they are adults and it's consensual, I would see no problem with it.

Just because some people think this is immoral doesn't mean it's bad.
I see no basis for it either.

I think the Incest law is only meant to protect against child abuse and genetic degeneration.
We can read about it what it did in the past.
What some people draw from it in their moral imagination is another matter.

And as long as real incest stays in stories and VN's I have no problem with it either.

Completely agree with all of the above with the exception of your last sentence. it is largely a religious issue and as you said, it's also to avoid abuse and gentic complications. As for morals, well morals are not laws and everyones moral compass is different, though yeah, some do swing to extreme sides of that pendulum.

I do however argue that if two consenting adults wish to be together and they love each other, then exactly who are they harming? No one. Ultimately as far as I'm concerned (and I've never done this personally btw) there isn't a problem and they deserve/are entitled to be happy with each other. No one elses business what they do. But as touched upon before, I apply this to a 50yo being with a 16yo (I'm in UK remember)....that is perfectly legal, but the shit you would get for it...

Morals again...

 

[HorizonD]

I have no problem with the age difference.
It's unusual but not bad. If they are happy, why not.
Some may argue the wife has to be younger too but that's the same BS. (My wife is three years older, lol.)

I guess we Europeans don't see it so narrowly.

 

[Maviarab]

I have no problem with the age difference.
It's unusual but not bad. If they are happy, why not.
Some may argue the wife has to be younger too but that's the same BS. (My wife is three years older, lol.)

Yeah it's like many things, and most men wouldn't have an issue with it haha....but society...society is a funny thing at times. How mnay things do we and don't we do (all legal) due to 'societies perceptions' etc.

Too many moralistic assholes around though, sure you've seen all the comments in media when rich men have a young gf (I say this as it's more common than the other way around). They get away without hassle (largely) due to their position. Average Joes? Having had a very young gf once when I was in my mid thirties...the grief wasn't worth the effort from friends and neighbours and that was perfectly legal (she was 17). So similar with a step-daughter or sister...or any other 'relation'...legal yes...acceptible to society? Different kettle of fish altogether.

Back on topic...legal or not...not sure I'd resist becca's charms for very long...I think I'd be damned the consequences hahaha.