I have no issue with how you integrated characters i L&V. For me it was mostly an issue of the gameplay being too convoluted to be enjoyable once it started to scale up, I'm also pretty certain this is a "me problem". Just wanted to add that this one struck me by surprise, I generelly avoid anything with "paranormal" tag and the like since it's basically shit every time. Read the preview for this and was about to close and forget it til I saw your name on it, made it an instant DL. I enjoy your writing and you're one of the best at presenting sharing/whoring content so this has potential to be really good.Thanks! I'll be working on both simultaneously for the rest of the year at least. I guess I'll have to pay extra attention to integrating more characters as smoothly as possible
Ren'Py Sins of Night [Release 3.5] [MakinWaves]
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- Oct 15, 2016
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Because we all know that women only wear sexy outfits if they wear them for other guys?
Joking there.. Seriously, no idea why dev's to stupid shit like that. A woman feeling sexy will wear whatever she thinks will get the best reaction based on the guy she's wearing it for, his preferences. There's really no reason, other than to pander to those who like that fetish, to offer more suggestive or sexy outfits in one path vs the other.
I mean unless you're planning on keeping said girl under ball and chain, to me it seems pretty natural that encouraging a girl to dress in revealing clothes would also imply others seeing them in those revealing clothes.
The opposite of this - wanting a girl to dress sexily but never have anyone else see it, in my mind that would be pandering and feel inorganic.
Granted there's a difference between other people witnessing your mc having a sexily dressed girl on your arm and straight up sharing/ntr - but it's too early to tell how these things will actually manifest in game.
Well I got the web version finally and what a treat. So I have in depth review to give as I said I'd treat this as a serious work with effort put in to it based on the first release's attention to the vampire story. So there's an element I really like. Now I always do Vice Path and I can't say anything about Romance, but if you do Vice there's a lot of struggle with the darker urges of the MC for his sister and mom. The Mom content I thought was good but the sister has more personality and interaction of likes and dislikes. Talking about her going to college and his goal to get her there, wanting to help her with her art. There's a scene that captures a complexity to the dynamic between them on the Vice Path's tale of the MC's corruption.
The MC can encourage Sadie her friend to let Harly go loose and slut it up, attracting a bunch of guys. However, the MC is furious with Sadie for being a terrible friend to his sister and no matter what choice is chosen, makes it clear she'll do what he says or. Well, there is no physical threat per say but there's a vibe that the Vampire MC will fuck that girl up.
And if you fuck her in the bathroom. It is degrading. Its not dub con per say, but the implication is his vampire strength is acting as a primal seductive force and the way he treats her is rapey. She follows along with every degrading push, yet it has this feel of forced painful sex. The MC is motivated to treat this girl as a whore for treating his sister bad.
It's a pattern that follows along the Harly content. He fights these creepy posessive urges, but when he gives into them, he doesn't stop loving Harly. That love turns dark and sharp, the MC toying with her from groping to surprise touching her. But you feel they are together through a bond.
Compared to Evelyn's starting content, I'd like something like the Harly dating system and more exploration of her as a person and her relationship and interactions with the MC. I also thought the narration of the Dreams to corrupt Harly were more interactive and well described than the first Evelyn ones, liking how she'd wake up and almost see the MC or respond with almost said words to what was happening in the dream.
One of my favorite moments is being in Submassion and having the option to bite Harly. It's a bestial act, showing how more predatory the MC becomes as they embrace their vampire nature. However, Harly's grinding against the MC is accompanied by him leaving with his hand on her ass. Lewd, yet protective. His dialogue teeters on too controlling, but he always shows interest in her hobbies and emotions.
This is something I would like to see more with Evelyn. Investment in her as a person even as she is made more lewd.
Smut wise, I really like the Saddie thing and I feel that for people worried about the Sharing, a way to make Vice Path more fun is yes there is the sharing but tie it together with the dominating conquest of the MC. He's a vampire, his ability to almost rape girls except they are into it like with Sadie, to enslave and manipulate and make them worship him. Play into the sexual alpha predator fantasy, the dark erotic monster that crushes and binds the girls to him. Let the player have options to be scary and take what they want for themselves. I quite liked the dancing scenes with Harly and escorting her out of the house in a very lewd outfits while misleading the mom.
Its unethical, but it keeps the constant truth that the MC is looking after his sister even as he falls deeper to the corruption of a vampire's power.
I really like the sex toy idea for Harly and would love to see such extra features implemented for Evelyn. Something that lets the players push her further on what path they want.
The highlight for me is how you see a clear difference in Vice MC for how he treats people. Him with Evelyn and the red dress is pushy. He gropes her, snares her into having photos taken. He tricks Harly into wearing a maid outfit to clean his room and keeps mentioning how she could be a good wife. It is a skevey power trip.
Then there is Sadie. He fucks her in a bathroom stall, tells her she is his slut for now on and to do what he says, and drinks from her to leave her addicted to him. Its got a nasty brutal using of a girl you don't see in his relationships with Evelyn and Harly and I like it. It establishes boundaries for what matters to him.
I did do the Michale content and tried the femdom. It is not bad. It has a focus more on being sexy than mean and clearly wants the MC to enjoy what is being done and the empathis to be on pleasure. Good job. I saw the dominatoin for Harly mentioned a emo boy, Harly and Evelyn doing femdom on femboys a option in the future? Wouldn't mind seeing Harly or Evelyn peg a femboy for the MC's viewing pleasure.
General advice on more Vice creativity besides sharing, slave training the girls. Manipulating their emotions, having them practice with sex toys, modeling for MC, different forms of authority over them binding them to him as leader of the household.
For the vampire bit, I loved the Sadie section for how ruthless and cruel the MC was while making sense from a sympathetic perspective and it fit to me what a Potency Vampire player would be doing. Physical intimidation, the threat of harm.
The MC can encourage Sadie her friend to let Harly go loose and slut it up, attracting a bunch of guys. However, the MC is furious with Sadie for being a terrible friend to his sister and no matter what choice is chosen, makes it clear she'll do what he says or. Well, there is no physical threat per say but there's a vibe that the Vampire MC will fuck that girl up.
And if you fuck her in the bathroom. It is degrading. Its not dub con per say, but the implication is his vampire strength is acting as a primal seductive force and the way he treats her is rapey. She follows along with every degrading push, yet it has this feel of forced painful sex. The MC is motivated to treat this girl as a whore for treating his sister bad.
It's a pattern that follows along the Harly content. He fights these creepy posessive urges, but when he gives into them, he doesn't stop loving Harly. That love turns dark and sharp, the MC toying with her from groping to surprise touching her. But you feel they are together through a bond.
Compared to Evelyn's starting content, I'd like something like the Harly dating system and more exploration of her as a person and her relationship and interactions with the MC. I also thought the narration of the Dreams to corrupt Harly were more interactive and well described than the first Evelyn ones, liking how she'd wake up and almost see the MC or respond with almost said words to what was happening in the dream.
One of my favorite moments is being in Submassion and having the option to bite Harly. It's a bestial act, showing how more predatory the MC becomes as they embrace their vampire nature. However, Harly's grinding against the MC is accompanied by him leaving with his hand on her ass. Lewd, yet protective. His dialogue teeters on too controlling, but he always shows interest in her hobbies and emotions.
This is something I would like to see more with Evelyn. Investment in her as a person even as she is made more lewd.
Smut wise, I really like the Saddie thing and I feel that for people worried about the Sharing, a way to make Vice Path more fun is yes there is the sharing but tie it together with the dominating conquest of the MC. He's a vampire, his ability to almost rape girls except they are into it like with Sadie, to enslave and manipulate and make them worship him. Play into the sexual alpha predator fantasy, the dark erotic monster that crushes and binds the girls to him. Let the player have options to be scary and take what they want for themselves. I quite liked the dancing scenes with Harly and escorting her out of the house in a very lewd outfits while misleading the mom.
Its unethical, but it keeps the constant truth that the MC is looking after his sister even as he falls deeper to the corruption of a vampire's power.
I really like the sex toy idea for Harly and would love to see such extra features implemented for Evelyn. Something that lets the players push her further on what path they want.
The highlight for me is how you see a clear difference in Vice MC for how he treats people. Him with Evelyn and the red dress is pushy. He gropes her, snares her into having photos taken. He tricks Harly into wearing a maid outfit to clean his room and keeps mentioning how she could be a good wife. It is a skevey power trip.
Then there is Sadie. He fucks her in a bathroom stall, tells her she is his slut for now on and to do what he says, and drinks from her to leave her addicted to him. Its got a nasty brutal using of a girl you don't see in his relationships with Evelyn and Harly and I like it. It establishes boundaries for what matters to him.
I did do the Michale content and tried the femdom. It is not bad. It has a focus more on being sexy than mean and clearly wants the MC to enjoy what is being done and the empathis to be on pleasure. Good job. I saw the dominatoin for Harly mentioned a emo boy, Harly and Evelyn doing femdom on femboys a option in the future? Wouldn't mind seeing Harly or Evelyn peg a femboy for the MC's viewing pleasure.
General advice on more Vice creativity besides sharing, slave training the girls. Manipulating their emotions, having them practice with sex toys, modeling for MC, different forms of authority over them binding them to him as leader of the household.
For the vampire bit, I loved the Sadie section for how ruthless and cruel the MC was while making sense from a sympathetic perspective and it fit to me what a Potency Vampire player would be doing. Physical intimidation, the threat of harm.
- Jun 15, 2017
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Damn, I wish I found this game a little later because after finishing it I'm dying for more lmao. I Love the game so far and really like the unique character designs like the sister who is a goth and actually looks like it for once for once and a muscle mommy instead of the traditional looking mothers you see in every other incest game, plus It's up my ally with the corruption and maledom content . Can't wait for future updates, hopefully the dev can find more time to work on this game so the time between updates aren't as long but regardless definitely has a load of potential to be one of my new favourites on the the site.
- Jul 27, 2017
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As a sucker for Vampire games, pun intended..I liked this one a lot, right now there is a very solid foundation for a new game to enter the big stage and secure it's place among the greats, but content wise there isn't much to be seen yet, it all depends on whether the few upcoming updates will deliver or not, if there is a remake..A redesign, or a delay this early on..Then it will flop and won't make it far. Let's hope for the best.
Side note: Some of the strong/notorious fetishes that are tagged here are very optional, I didn't run into anything that made me feel uncomfortable.
Side note: Some of the strong/notorious fetishes that are tagged here are very optional, I didn't run into anything that made me feel uncomfortable.
The setting change is quite big, so I really appreciate that you were willing to give it a go. It's nerve wracking to make such a change from what you usually do. Hopefully the sharing content lives up to your expectations when it arrives
Both routes will have their sexy outfits, though likely of a distinct flavour. In the bedroom, anything goes, but on the virtue path for example, girls are still going to want to be respected when in public.
Appreciate all the feedback! You noticed a lot of intentional details, nice to know they are coming across.
So regarding Evelyn's content, you are right she doesn't have as much going on as Harley (thought at times I may be doing too much with her though). But this is something I'll hopefully fix come her next content stages. There are hints at some of her interests and those will come out later. Being the first set, she has the disadvantage of me not quite finding my feet yet. If the feedback remains positive, then there's a lot that can be carried forward for Evelyn's sake. Reactivity and these smaller event chains are something I want to do more of, the problem is just the amount of dev time that entails.
Evelyn & Harley femdom sharing content is definitely something I want to do. The distinct personalities should make for an interesting difference in how it plays out. Again thanks for taking the time to do such a long write up, it's very helpful!
- Oct 15, 2016
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Yeah, I think you missed my point.
On either path, sharing or non-sharing, there is zero reason the woman can't wear sexy and/or revealing outfits. It's dumb for a dev to *only* have the sexy outfits for just one path and keep the other more covered up. But I have seen games do it over and over.
Sorta makes me wonder if those dev's are guys, what the women in their life, if there are any, wear. Are they super reserved? Is that the dev's own prejudices bleeding in? But all that is probably not relevant here, since it's ust general thoughts. Sorry for the derail, carry on
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If I'm understanding correctly, I agree with this. Some folks like to show off their girls but not share them. Very different things.Yeah, I think you missed my point.
On either path, sharing or non-sharing, there is zero reason the woman can't wear sexy and/or revealing outfits. It's dumb for a dev to *only* have the sexy outfits for just one path and keep the other more covered up. But I have seen games do it over and over.
Sorta makes me wonder if those dev's are guys, what the women in their life, if there are any, wear. Are they super reserved? Is that the dev's own prejudices bleeding in? But all that is probably not relevant here, since it's ust general thoughts. Sorry for the derail, carry on
I read the way the game does it more as walking on eggshells towards a certain kind of player. Look, I'm not on the sharia law side of this debate. I'm all for women dressing sexily, whether they're down for stuff like swinging or not. We're probably more in agreement with the end conclusion than I realize, just estimating the motivations differently.Yeah, I think you missed my point.
On either path, sharing or non-sharing, there is zero reason the woman can't wear sexy and/or revealing outfits. It's dumb for a dev to *only* have the sexy outfits for just one path and keep the other more covered up. But I have seen games do it over and over.
Sorta makes me wonder if those dev's are guys, what the women in their life, if there are any, wear. Are they super reserved? Is that the dev's own prejudices bleeding in? But all that is probably not relevant here, since it's ust general thoughts. Sorry for the derail, carry on
While that's a very large (probably even majority) group in real life, my guess is it's vanishingly small amongst avn players. Meaning there are two bifurcated groups - those who are fine with all of it, then those who want the girls to dress sexy and not have a single other male look at them. If I'm wrong in assuming the preferences of the no-share group, I do apologize.
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bruh... That seemed like a very chatCPT response, but I'm also incredibly drunk right now, so maybe not. All I know is from my experience growing up around friends. They loved showing off their conquests, "look how hot my slut is"... so much so that a friend of mine had his girlfriend flash me her tits and then make out with me. I dunno. As for AVN players... eh. yah. Most of these fucks probably never seen a pussy in real life. You can tell based on their "possession" of pixel pussies attitude.
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If you put in the intention and effort, I will try to pick up on it and describe its effect. I will say your already doing well for having personality with the girls and further expansion will make you stand out more. Mindless fuck dolls become boring very quickly and to compare Love and Vice, the girls don't have a lot of personality besides falling into route sterotypes. This is helped by the MC not being a blank slate. Reject generic everyman fill in with your own personality MC's. They are weak and don't add to the story. Pick a personality per Romance or Vice, and build on it. I like seeing the MC interact with Harly and Evelyn in the Vice route not just for the smutty bits but for also how he can be taunting or playful or fun. There's interaction here, it makes the story more investment worthy.The setting change is quite big, so I really appreciate that you were willing to give it a go. It's nerve wracking to make such a change from what you usually do. Hopefully the sharing content lives up to your expectations when it arrives
Both routes will have their sexy outfits, though likely of a distinct flavour. In the bedroom, anything goes, but on the virtue path for example, girls are still going to want to be respected when in public.
Appreciate all the feedback! You noticed a lot of intentional details, nice to know they are coming across.
So regarding Evelyn's content, you are right she doesn't have as much going on as Harley (thought at times I may be doing too much with her though). But this is something I'll hopefully fix come her next content stages. There are hints at some of her interests and those will come out later. Being the first set, she has the disadvantage of me not quite finding my feet yet. If the feedback remains positive, then there's a lot that can be carried forward for Evelyn's sake. Reactivity and these smaller event chains are something I want to do more of, the problem is just the amount of dev time that entails.
Evelyn & Harley femdom sharing content is definitely something I want to do. The distinct personalities should make for an interesting difference in how it plays out. Again thanks for taking the time to do such a long write up, it's very helpful!
Smut wise, sharing is good but I hear what people are saying and Maledom content feeds into the vampire fantasy. Slave training the girls, collars, tattos and brands showing ownership, ways for the MC to dominate and mark them. Things like the choker play on the date, having girls dress up in outfits. How can the MC seduce and corrupt them for his twisted love? Not just sex. Big dick submission is simple and reductive. He's a vampire. You can play with the super strength and physique overhwhelming the girls, glamor brainwashing them. Options for power fantasy that extend past me have giant cock make woman submit to giga dick. Creativity that makes use of the dark appeal of being a growing mighter vampire.
I also really liked how anguished the MC was over feeding on his sister for blood and the way he led her to the vampire feeding ground. There's this torment with the MC's desires for Harly I enjoy seeing slowly break as he embraces being a monster over a man. Yet, even as he does so, there's a care for her and Evelyn that doesn't leave. It made the Sadie scene a favorite of mine because while a villianous framing of our MC, he's not a good guy with how he treats Sadie. However, his sadism arises from protective attachment to Harly. Writing a evil action and a MC taking pleasure in it is basic and its been done. Making it so the evil action is still bad but comes from a understandable place? That is exceptional. What makes the MC act bad, and more importantly, for who?
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Question - when we are influencing their dreams, does each selection of a certain topic increase a stat somehow? I mean, is it worth selecting the sameone more than once if you want push them in that direction?
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By pure happenstance, I named the MC Hugh. Started to wonder whose fate I was going to control when Kate and Hugh were introduced.
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Yes it tracks what you pick and will ideally play a role in the sharing content to come.
I dont even want to think about if permutations are involved and the subsequent work...
Hmmm let's see, you want Harley to meet an elderly, hung, emo boy so she can dominate him while you watch.....
Wholesome.