Ren'Py Sins of Night [Release 4] [MakinWaves]

[Fantasyerotica1234]

What I am liking about the premise of this VN is it has that extra spice. My favorite porn games are Taffy Tales, College Daze, Bimbo Life Coach, Patriarch, and Love and Vice. Of these, all except Love and Vice have a extra piece. Taffy Tales has a dominating evil sadistic personality to act as the Hyde for all of the protag's depraved fantasies. College Daze has magic and mind control, Bimbo Life Coach explores the process of bimboficiation. Love and Vice doesn't have extra spice but made the romance and lust routes feel distinct from each other and knew how to write good porn. Be it romantic or sinful.

With the vampire twist, it adds extra power to the seductions and makes the MC character feel cooler. More interesting to play as. With the Thralls, I see how Evelyn is a muscle mommy and could we train her for combat? Teach her how to use a gun and fight with us or protect the house? Extra story options like this that make characters more than holes to cum in add a greater attachment to the world.

 

[MakinWaves]

A very good start, love VN's about vampires, sadly not many good ones out there. This one seems of a good start though. The sandbox atm is a bit same loop hole, hope on that part will be added much more to do and even do the same option again that it will have different images, not everytime the same one. I'm looking forward to the future of this VN sandbox.

There will be more to do, it'll just take some time to build up. Quests, skill training etc... I don't know about the same options having different images, as that point I may aswell just add the new stuff in as a new option. Though there might be some more events with more sub actions/choices in the future.

This may have already been said, I read the first page and saw NTR is avoidable but not other love interests for the MC. So for example, lets say i wanted a "Landlady" only route and avoid other love interest's (granted i'll miss a chunk of other saucey content...). Can i, i'm not required to sex up other LI's to progress the story am i?

I like the wincest concept with vampires and there is little of them other than Area69. Turning your landlady into a thrall and the whole power dynamic shift is hot. Even if this mommy, i mean landlady looks like she could eat me for breakfast...literally.

So in theory it should be possible to avoid romancing people you don't want to, especially since some characters a lot more involved in the main story than others. I can't promise sticking to one will get you extra content or a unique route or anything like that though.

What I am liking about the premise of this VN is it has that extra spice. My favorite porn games are Taffy Tales, College Daze, Bimbo Life Coach, Patriarch, and Love and Vice. Of these, all except Love and Vice have a extra piece. Taffy Tales has a dominating evil sadistic personality to act as the Hyde for all of the protag's depraved fantasies. College Daze has magic and mind control, Bimbo Life Coach explores the process of bimboficiation. Love and Vice doesn't have extra spice but made the romance and lust routes feel distinct from each other and knew how to write good porn. Be it romantic or sinful.

With the vampire twist, it adds extra power to the seductions and makes the MC character feel cooler. More interesting to play as. With the Thralls, I see how Evelyn is a muscle mommy and could we train her for combat? Teach her how to use a gun and fight with us or protect the house? Extra story options like this that make characters more than holes to cum in add a greater attachment to the world.

When it comes to the humans you'll be optionally training them for sex stuff and the like, not to get involved in vampire business so brazenly. Maybe you'll use them for errands or as part of a plot, but I would say combat is unlikely. A lot of vampire media does this thing of trying to get every character involved and I always felt like it never really worked out. Just blurs the lines to the point you've lost that supernatural meets normal dynamic.

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

Fair. I see the point in keeping the lines separate. What I am really looking forward to smut wise is the diverse options with the Dreams. I like Latina Slut Wife Trainer for letting me corrupt the MC's wife and same for Wife's Phone App. I like seeing woman fall into sluts. However, while the corruption of their morals is great, there's this constant baggage with these kinds of things. The emotional NTR. The player is always stuck being a Cuck instead of a porn director. I liked in Love and Vice how you could push the girls into lewd behaviors, break down their limits and turn them into filthy whores but you enjoyed it. There was a feeling of entertainment forcing the girls into these situations and watching it shift who they were without having to deal with the stereotype of being the useless weak Cuck.

I'm looking forward to projecting all kinds of wild crazy fetishes onto the girls. Like making Eveylyn beg for pretty dresses from ugly bastard sugar daddies, having giant black guys breed her, making her submit to the MC and other men. I'm here to destroy the girl's decency. Not have the focus turned into the weird self shame kink that dominates NTR.

For story I want to see where Hugh goes. I like him and I'm interested in if I stick with him through my character being grateful for the help he gives, do I get rewarded vs if you act like a independent dick he's going to fuck you over. Consequences with effects for how a person acts.

 

[MakinWaves]

Fair. I see the point in keeping the lines separate. What I am really looking forward to smut wise is the diverse options with the Dreams. I like Latina Slut Wife Trainer for letting me corrupt the MC's wife and same for Wife's Phone App. I like seeing woman fall into sluts. However, while the corruption of their morals is great, there's this constant baggage with these kinds of things. The emotional NTR. The player is always stuck being a Cuck instead of a porn director. I liked in Love and Vice how you could push the girls into lewd behaviors, break down their limits and turn them into filthy whores but you enjoyed it. There was a feeling of entertainment forcing the girls into these situations and watching it shift who they were without having to deal with the stereotype of being the useless weak Cuck.

I'm looking forward to projecting all kinds of wild crazy fetishes onto the girls. Like making Eveylyn beg for pretty dresses from ugly bastard sugar daddies, having giant black guys breed her, making her submit to the MC and other men. I'm here to destroy the girl's decency. Not have the focus turned into the weird self shame kink that dominates NTR.

For story I want to see where Hugh goes. I like him and I'm interested in if I stick with him through my character being grateful for the help he gives, do I get rewarded vs if you act like a independent dick he's going to fuck you over. Consequences with effects for how a person acts.

So that's definitely the style of sharing I want to go with again. Being a vampire gives it an extra level of being that puppet master making the humans get up to all kinds of things.

How you interact with Hugh will definitely be very important in the story, I do want to have multiple possible outcomes based on your relationship!

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

The vampire mastermind adds a character element to this. Romance strikes me as being the retaining humanity while Vice route with the sharing is becoming a Vampire overlord. Using Eveyln and her daughter as Thalls, toys and pets for the amusement of their vampire.

In Love and Vice I fucked over the stripper girl and she left me on one update for the guy I told her to seduce because I wasn't loving to her and ran off with another girl while avoiding her. I liked that. In other sharing content, whenever a girl was pushed onto being a slut there was always this trust between the MC as master and the girl. But this broke that trust and I liked the punishment. Made me feel bad without making the sharing content feel bad. Sharing and corrupting her wasn't the problem. Not staying invested with her and pushing her aside for another was the trouble

 

[MakinWaves]

The vampire mastermind adds a character element to this. Romance strikes me as being the retaining humanity while Vice route with the sharing is becoming a Vampire overlord. Using Eveyln and her daughter as Thalls, toys and pets for the amusement of their vampire.

In Love and Vice I fucked over the stripper girl and she left me on one update for the guy I told her to seduce because I wasn't loving to her and ran off with another girl while avoiding her. I liked that. In other sharing content, whenever a girl was pushed onto being a slut there was always this trust between the MC as master and the girl. But this broke that trust and I liked the punishment. Made me feel bad without making the sharing content feel bad. Sharing and corrupting her wasn't the problem. Not staying invested with her and pushing her aside for another was the trouble

Glad to get some feedback on that part since it was a bit different from the usual. I don't imagine we'll see that kind of thing in Sins, except maybe in a lesser side character. I do have plans for some characters to be killable, though not the main ones.

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

For the Vice route, something I am keen to see explored in depth is how the MC controls the girls. With romance, it is a shared loving relationship and it tells itself. With Love and Vice, the MC in Vice whored out the girls but kept them faithful to him. Whenever he pushed them to the edge of sluttery, he retained a firm hold on their hearts. With the Vampire, I'd like to see how hypnotic thrall powers and other forms of control are used to condition and manage the girls. What the elements of attachment are for a Vice storyline where the master vampire always keeps a grasp on the girl's dependence on him. How does he make them need him.

And how will sister's Vice and Sharing content differ from mom's?

 

[MakinWaves]

For the Vice route, something I am keen to see explored in depth is how the MC controls the girls. With romance, it is a shared loving relationship and it tells itself. With Love and Vice, the MC in Vice whored out the girls but kept them faithful to him. Whenever he pushed them to the edge of sluttery, he retained a firm hold on their hearts. With the Vampire, I'd like to see how hypnotic thrall powers and other forms of control are used to condition and manage the girls. What the elements of attachment are for a Vice storyline where the master vampire always keeps a grasp on the girl's dependence on him. How does he make them need him.

And how will sister's Vice and Sharing content differ from mom's?

All that is something that will come out over time hopefully, it's not exactly set it stone yet. On the sharing side it should be fairly similar, though Harley's will probably be done through the club. Still the same idea of influencing her tastes and watching the results. At least that's the early stuff. Vice content for all girls should have slightly different themes, all converging into you being able to exploit their fall.

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

All that is something that will come out over time hopefully, it's not exactly set it stone yet. On the sharing side it should be fairly similar, though Harley's will probably be done through the club. Still the same idea of influencing her tastes and watching the results. At least that's the early stuff. Vice content for all girls should have slightly different themes, all converging into you being able to exploit their fall.

I have a question for you. In a ocean of NTR shameful weak MC's who lose everything, what inspired you to do sharing and whoring instead? Your unique in this aspect compared to almost every other big game and VN that uses the idea of girls fucking more than the MC

 

[MakinWaves]

I have a question for you. In a ocean of NTR shameful weak MC's who lose everything, what inspired you to do sharing and whoring instead? Your unique in this aspect compared to almost every other big game and VN that uses the idea of girls fucking more than the MC

Well I wanted to make a corruption game, and I had played others that let you whore the girl out at certain points etc. Seemed like a no-brainer to offer that kind of thing since it lets you do so much more than if it's just mc x girl. Getting a character to act differently is the whole point of that dynamic after all!

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

Well I wanted to make a corruption game, and I had played others that let you whore the girl out at certain points etc. Seemed like a no-brainer to offer that kind of thing since it lets you do so much more than if it's just mc x girl. Getting a character to act differently is the whole point of that dynamic after all!

I want you to know it makes Love and Vice pop and even makes the romance option stronger for the contrast to Vice. I tried A Wife's Phone and I had fun with it but unlike Love and Vice, this was the worst kind of emotional abuse NTR thing where its very clearly steered towards a Cuck blackhole. This makes me eager to see where the cool vampire power game goes as it will be far more fun.

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

Something I'd like is character distinction. I've seen many VN's and games where they try the generic everyman MC. The character with no minimal character to make it easier to teleport the player into them for roleplaying. I don't think it works well often. With the love and vice routes, it would be good to have the development of distinct MC personality. More than just the vibe of the sexy, the kind of person a Love vs Vice vampire protag is. A love protag being more human and a Vice one acting more like a controlling cold willed vampire. Combining the question of embracing or controlling the vampire nature to the smut interactions and storylines as a way to merge the sex with character development

 

[MakinWaves]

Something I'd like is character distinction. I've seen many VN's and games where they try the generic everyman MC. The character with no minimal character to make it easier to teleport the player into them for roleplaying. I don't think it works well often. With the love and vice routes, it would be good to have the development of distinct MC personality. More than just the vibe of the sexy, the kind of person a Love vs Vice vampire protag is. A love protag being more human and a Vice one acting more like a controlling cold willed vampire. Combining the question of embracing or controlling the vampire nature to the smut interactions and storylines as a way to merge the sex with character development

I'm looking to add an alignment system for the mc. Ideally a bit more nuanced than bad & good, and with the ability for it to grow in both directions simultaneously so you can have a middle road. Of course that would allow me to add some special alignment based options to the girl's events too.

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

I'm thinking the nuance for that would be having the vampire alignment or whatever the evil equivalent is possessive and protective over Thralls. Pets and property to be loved as slaves to the vampire's will and amusement. Still able to do nice things for the girls and others but more power and lust driven.

What would you want the good morality to be?

 

[MakinWaves]

I'm thinking the nuance for that would be having the vampire alignment or whatever the evil equivalent is possessive and protective over Thralls. Pets and property to be loved as slaves to the vampire's will and amusement. Still able to do nice things for the girls and others but more power and lust driven.

What would you want the good morality to be?

We'll see once we get there really. The alignment is likely to have a larger impact on the main story.

 

[PickerLewd]

I would like to have a scene (mission) with the blonde girl, who seems to be a friend, appears in the text messages and makes the fit mom believe that the MC stayed late at her house .

 

[Fantasyerotica1234]

We'll see once we get there really. The alignment is likely to have a larger impact on the main story.

I appreciate you aiming for something with greater depth than good and evil. It's a extra piece of work that adds to the experience.

 

[PyoT]

Whenever I see reactiveness I'm 50% "that's awesome" and 50% "but it'll be so much extra work and wouldn't it be better to just do more linear content"

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Whenever I see reactiveness I'm 50% "that's awesome" and 50% "but it'll be so much extra work and wouldn't it be better to just do more linear content"

Depends on if the linear content aligns with the preferences of the player

 

[MakinWaves]

Whenever I see reactiveness I'm 50% "that's awesome" and 50% "but it'll be so much extra work and wouldn't it be better to just do more linear content"

Yeah that is the trouble. But a little reactivity can go a long way, and it's kinda necessary if you want player choice and build to matter. Just going to have to choose wisely when and where to do it.