Ren'Py Sins of Night [Release 6] [MakinWaves]

[Shiko200]

Game looks good. I am adding this to my list.

 

[harsha_26]

I have to disagree. Personally, I think the slowburn approach fits better with the incest path, since it's a taboo theme and naturally harder to develop. On the NTR route, however, I can easily picture the mother enjoying the attention and getting involved more quickly — especially compared to the MC, who is her son. From my perspective, that makes more sense and is also preferable, since incest is a turn-off for me. I’d rather play the game focusing on pursuing the other girls, while the mother and sister’s scenes play out in the background. That would be the ideal balance for my experience.

Incest is a turn off for you, not for me. And you can make incest stories even as fast pacing and ntr/sharing as slow pacing. I only wish dev needs to be honest about the content clearly on whether it is lewd or non lewd.

So, what are you saying? Incest fans should wait for many updates and they get like soft, less kinky vaginal scenes towards the end and those who love hardcore sex with mom and sis wont be eligible to play this game?

 

[harsha_26]

Yeah, that’s what I was trying to say when I mentioned I disagreed with the guy above. I don’t think it would make any sense to turn the sharing path into a slowburn like the incest one — we're talking about the MC’s family (who in conventional ways would never be a LI), both women are single, and there’s a huge difference between having casual relationships with other people and engaging in an incestuous one. That's why I'm liking the progression in the sharing path, and really hoping to see the actual action with many scenes.

If it is so unreal in conventional, then dev should ban the incest path completely and only concentrate on ntr/sharing paths rather than making incest fans as jealous of mom and sis actions in ntr path while they wait for years to get a softcore vaginal scene.

 

[Dopplyn]

Incest is a turn off for you, not for me. And you can make incest stories even as fast pacing and ntr/sharing as slow pacing. I only wish dev needs to be honest about the content clearly on whether it is lewd or non lewd.

So, what are you saying? Incest fans should wait for many updates and they get like soft, less kinky vaginal scenes towards the end and those who love hardcore sex with mom and sis wont be eligible to play this game?

What I’m saying is that you can’t expect the NTR/Sharing route to follow the same slowburn structure as the incest path — they’re two entirely different dynamics. One involves a heavy taboo, while the other is about two single women engaging in relationships with other men. Naturally, the latter should progress more quickly. It just makes sense. If the dev wants to take his time and build up the incest route carefully, that’s totally fine. But asking him to slow down the NTR/Sharing path — and potentially reduce the amount of content — just because the incest side isn’t progressing to your taste isn’t fair to players like me, who deliberately avoid incest and are here for the voyeurism and NTR elements involving the mom and sister. You can’t weigh both routes equally when the context behind each is so different. Slowing one down just to match the other would hurt the pacing and enjoyment for an entirely different group of players.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

If it is so unreal in conventional, then dev should ban the incest path completely and only concentrate on ntr/sharing paths rather than making incest fans as jealous of mom and sis actions in ntr path while they wait for years to get a softcore vaginal scene.

incest isnt an antonym to ntr/sharing. Often the latter exists under the umbrella of the former.

 

[Dessolos]

What I’m saying is that you can’t expect the NTR/Sharing route to follow the same slowburn structure as the incest path — they’re two entirely different dynamics. One involves a heavy taboo, while the other is about two single women engaging in relationships with other men. Naturally, the latter should progress more quickly. It just makes sense. If the dev wants to take his time and build up the incest route carefully, that’s totally fine. But asking him to slow down the NTR/Sharing path — and potentially reduce the amount of content — just because the incest side isn’t progressing to your taste isn’t fair to players like me, who deliberately avoid incest and are here for the voyeurism and NTR elements involving the mom and sister. You can’t weigh both routes equally when the context behind each is so different. Slowing one down just to match the other would hurt the pacing and enjoyment for an entirely different group of players.

i'm playing both routes while I prefer the sharing / NTR path myself for some characters and the no NTR / sharing for others. I would hate it if one path would slow down just to play catch up and that is from someone that is playing both paths. Different story if a developer dedicates 1 - 2 updates to X path and then switches gears cause that is just their style and preference. But if both paths were made at the same time and one would slow down just to play catch up yeah id hate that and would annoy me tbh even if I played both. So i'm 100% with you on this

 

[Dopplyn]

If it is so unreal in conventional, then dev should ban the incest path completely and only concentrate on ntr/sharing paths rather than making incest fans as jealous of mom and sis actions in ntr path while they wait for years to get a softcore vaginal scene.

Dude, it's simple to understand. You can’t seriously argue that just because the incest path is naturally slower due to the taboo and emotional complexity, the dev should either ban it entirely or hold back progress on the NTR/sharing path to “make things fair.” That’s not how storytelling — or game design — works. The reason the mom and sister move faster in the NTR/sharing route is simple: they’re single women engaging with other men in casual, consensual situations. That’s believable and grounded in reality. The incest path, on the other hand, deals with a far more sensitive and controversial subject. It should take more time to develop if the dev wants it to feel even remotely natural, not rushed or forced. Trying to force both paths to progress at the same pace just to avoid “jealousy” is unreasonable. You're basically asking the dev to stall content for one group of players just because another group chose a route that, by nature, takes longer to build. That’s not fair — and honestly, it’s selfish. And by the way, we didn't get a single vaginal sex scene in the sharing/NTR route, not even a blowjob, the scenes were just teasing and build up for now.


If you're into incest content, great — wait for it to develop properly. But don’t demand that the rest of us be held back just because your preferred path is slow-burning. Different routes, different tones, different pacing. That’s the whole point of having multiple options in a game.

 

[harsha_26]

What I’m saying is that you can’t expect the NTR/Sharing route to follow the same slowburn structure as the incest path — they’re two entirely different dynamics. One involves a heavy taboo, while the other is about two single women engaging in relationships with other men. Naturally, the latter should progress more quickly. It just makes sense. If the dev wants to take his time and build up the incest route carefully, that’s totally fine. But asking him to slow down the NTR/Sharing path — and potentially reduce the amount of content — just because the incest side isn’t progressing to your taste isn’t fair to players like me, who deliberately avoid incest and are here for the voyeurism and NTR elements involving the mom and sister. You can’t weigh both routes equally when the context behind each is so different. Slowing one down just to match the other would hurt the pacing and enjoyment for an entirely different group of players.

Then what about the pacing and enjoyment for incest fans? They have to be Blueballed for ages to get softcore vaginal scenes at end of the game and that's it? Because that's how I seen the way in many optional NTR games.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

Then what about the pacing and enjoyment for incest fans? They have to be Blueballed for ages to get softcore vaginal scenes at end of the game and that's it? Because that's how I seen the way in many optional NTR games.

im angry-facing you not for your take on content but because you keep using the term incest as an antonym for ntr.

An ntr scene with a mother or a sister REQUIRES an interest in incest to get anything out of it, otherwise it's just a sibling living their life.

 

[Dessolos]

Then what about the pacing and enjoyment for incest fans? They have to be Blueballed for ages to get softcore vaginal scenes at end of the game and that's it? Because that's how I seen the way in many optional NTR games.

I mean that's nothing new for incest has nothing to do with optional NTR. Alot of incest games take a long time for action especially mothers and I prefer that anyways. Sometimes a sister doesn't but I do agree with I hate how the game ends shortly after it happens.

 

[harsha_26]

Dude, it's simple to understand. You can’t seriously argue that just because the incest path is naturally slower due to the taboo and emotional complexity, the dev should either ban it entirely or hold back progress on the NTR/sharing path to “make things fair.” That’s not how storytelling — or game design — works. The reason the mom and sister move faster in the NTR/sharing route is simple: they’re single women engaging with other men in casual, consensual situations. That’s believable and grounded in reality. The incest path, on the other hand, deals with a far more sensitive and controversial subject. It should take more time to develop if the dev wants it to feel even remotely natural, not rushed or forced. Trying to force both paths to progress at the same pace just to avoid “jealousy” is unreasonable. You're basically asking the dev to stall content for one group of players just because another group chose a route that, by nature, takes longer to build. That’s not fair — and honestly, it’s selfish. And by the way, we didn't get a single vaginal sex scene in the sharing/NTR route, not even a blowjob, the scenes were just teasing and build up for now.


If you're into incest content, great — wait for it to develop properly. But don’t demand that the rest of us be held back just because your preferred path is slow-burning. Different routes, different tones, different pacing. That’s the whole point of having multiple options in a game.

Even if I wait for it to properly develop.. According to my experience in optional NTR games, it won't be worthy if we expect those scenes to be kinky or hardcore like the NTR/sharing. That's what I seen in many optional NTR games.


But I thought this game will be different because I seen dev said that non ntr path have more content and is more developed, just to realize later that the content and development is only about much of non lewd renders and story.

So, the fans who are primarily into lewd aspects of incest has to wait for ages and see finally whether it is worthful of lewd with respect to NTR/sharing lewd content or to get disappointed again like we did for many other optional/NTR games.

 

[harsha_26]

I mean that's nothing new for incest has nothing to do with optional NTR. Alot of incest games take a long time for action especially mothers and I prefer that anyways. Sometimes a sister doesn't but I do agree with I hate how the game ends shortly after it happens.

That's what I'm saying. I'm willing to wait for this game too to properly develop the lewd elements of non ntr incest route, but will it be worthy for my wait? Will it be so many lewd scenes which are in the same level of hardcore and kinky when the time finally comes?

Or it will end shortly after the prize is claimed? Or it will be just softcore vaginal scenes towards the end like all the rest of optional NTR/incest games?

 

[Dopplyn]

Even if I wait for it to properly develop.. According to my experience in optional NTR games, it won't be worthy if we expect those scenes to be kinky or hardcore like the NTR/sharing. That's what I seen in many optional NTR games.


But I thought this game will be different because I seen dev said that non ntr path have more content and is more developed, just to realize later that the content and development is only about much of non lewd renders and story.

So, the fans who are primarily into lewd aspects of incest has to wait for ages and see finally whether it is worthful of lewd with respect to NTR/sharing lewd content or to get disappointed again like we did for many other optional/NTR games.

Right, I understand. I’ll write everything in a single comment — hopefully this clears things up once and for all.

First of all, the dev didn’t lie. The non-NTR path does have a ton of content: multiple girls, hot sex scenes — including kinky, hardcore ones — and steady progression. The only “non-lewd” content you’re pointing at is the incest path, but that’s not even accurate. The MC kisses and touches both his mom and sister, just like the guys do in the NTR path — and those moments are even more polished and well-written. Plus, the main storyline is centered around the non-NTR path, while the Sharing/NTR one — so far — is a side route involving only the club, the bar, and only two characters: the mom and sister. As someone playing the game for the adventures and for the sharing aspect too (while avoiding incest), I can’t even ask for sharing options with other girls — we already know that would trigger backlash (F95zone is always like that, sadly). And to this point, the Sharing route hasn’t had a single actual sex scene. So comparing the paths as if they’re balanced — or even suggesting that NTR is getting more developed isn’t fair.


Now, when it comes to the mom and sister, both paths already feature slowburn — just with different tones. The Sharing route is about teasing, voyeurism, and outside guys. The Incest one focuses on emotional development, corruption (if chosen), and deeper connection — which makes sense given the taboo and pre-existing family bond. So naturally, it takes longer to feel believable. That’s a creative decision, and I respect it. And look — I get it. You’re frustrated because, in your experience, incest content in optional NTR games often ends up underwhelming compared to the kinky NTR side. That’s fair. But using past disappointments to demand the dev slow down another route — just in case the incest one doesn’t deliver what you hope — is not the solution:

" Then you should slow burn the sharing routes as well up to non-NTR becomes easy to fuck. It’s possible… Dev said non-NTR is focused and it’s three times more. So, I expected that in terms of sexual content as well with main girls like mom and sis"


Different paths in storytelling naturally have distinct pacing and tones. You can't expect the same intensity or content in every route. For example, paths involving threesomes, foursomes, interracial, group sex, orgies, MMF, FFM, or voyeurism in NTR routes differ significantly from incest routes, where the most extreme scenario might be a threesome involving family members. This makes it challenging to understand what you mean by ''softcore.'' This is why I completely disagree with your perspective. As I’ve mentioned before, your argument doesn’t hold up. Just because you’re dissatisfied with the pacing of your preferred route (incest), that shouldn’t limit the experience for others—especially since those of us who enjoy NTR/Sharing/Netorase routes already deal with less content compared to non-NTR paths, which would be unfair.

 

[harsha_26]

Right, I understand. I’ll write everything in a single comment — hopefully this clears things up once and for all.

First of all, the dev didn’t lie. The non-NTR path does have a ton of content: multiple girls, hot sex scenes — including kinky, hardcore ones — and steady progression. The only “non-lewd” content you’re pointing at is the incest path, but that’s not even accurate. The MC kisses and touches both his mom and sister, just like the guys do in the NTR path — and those moments are even more polished and well-written. Plus, the main storyline is centered around the non-NTR path, while the Sharing/NTR one — so far — is a side route involving only the club, the bar, and only two characters: the mom and sister. As someone playing the game for the adventures and for the sharing aspect too (while avoiding incest), I can’t even ask for sharing options with other girls — we already know that would trigger backlash (F95zone is always like that, sadly). And to this point, the Sharing route hasn’t had a single actual sex scene. So comparing the paths as if they’re balanced — or even suggesting that NTR is getting more developed isn’t fair.


Now, when it comes to the mom and sister, both paths already feature slowburn — just with different tones. The Sharing route is about teasing, voyeurism, and outside guys. The Incest one focuses on emotional development, corruption (if chosen), and deeper connection — which makes sense given the taboo and pre-existing family bond. So naturally, it takes longer to feel believable. That’s a creative decision, and I respect it. And look — I get it. You’re frustrated because, in your experience, incest content in optional NTR games often ends up underwhelming compared to the kinky NTR side. That’s fair. But using past disappointments to demand the dev slow down another route — just in case the incest one doesn’t deliver what you hope — is not the solution:

" Then you should slow burn the sharing routes as well up to non-NTR becomes easy to fuck. It’s possible… Dev said non-NTR is focused and it’s three times more. So, I expected that in terms of sexual content as well with main girls like mom and sis"


Different paths in storytelling naturally have distinct pacing and tones. You can't expect the same intensity or content in every route. For example, paths involving threesomes, foursomes, interracial, group sex, orgies, MMF, FFM, or voyeurism in NTR routes differ significantly from incest routes, where the most extreme scenario might be a threesome involving family members. This makes it challenging to understand what you mean by ''softcore.'' This is why I completely disagree with your perspective. As I’ve mentioned before, your argument doesn’t hold up. Just because you’re dissatisfied with the pacing of your preferred route (incest), that shouldn’t limit the experience for others—especially since those of us who enjoy NTR/Sharing/Netorase routes already deal with less content compared to non-NTR paths, which would be unfair.

See, that is just frustration of watching incest paths slow burn forever and getting half assed content in so many optional l ntr games, that i said that ntr route should be slow. I'm sorry for that.

But i still stand what I said about the unfairness happening for incest lewd scenes, particularly in the level of kinky and hardcore. And this game haven't been given a hint of hope that this can be any different from other optional NTR games. And you say ntr path is only about two women mom and sis where as non ntr route has many other girls. Who the fuck want those other girls? I know some players are fans of them but we all knew people of both routes are playing this primarily because of mom and sis as they are the main Lis of the game. Those girls are won't create such controversy like you are expecting in the same level of mom and sis. Go see games like culture shock, my bimbo dream etc game threads. Same issue going on there also.

The main problem is.. Yes, other exclusive non ntr incest games also are slow burn. I admit. But there is no counter path where mom and sis are fucking other men. No jealousy over other paths. No controversy. But in optional NTR games, here we expect the game can be more experimental and able to give more hardcore and kinky content compare to exclusive incest games, but the same Lis who are giving tough job for you to claim them in incest paths are already claimed by multiple of men in ntr path (for example). Both in exclusive incest games and in optional ntr games, incest lewd fans always have to see same slow burn shit and underwhelming rewarding scenes toward the end.

 

[rockbear78]

fun game up until the whole combat mini game was introduced, for me this made it an uninstall.

 

[MakinWaves]

fun game up until the whole combat mini game was introduced, for me this made it an uninstall.

Just skip it lol

 

[Neeshka999]

Hardly any challenge. You just grid relationship points over the days.

Main story doesn't seem to go anywhere after the intro.

Route ended before it even began with the "landlady", guess this is really early build.

Dev clearly doesn't know you can display variable strings in lowercase in the Renpy script, text looks really janky with certain words being capitalized.

 

[beastsumoda]

definitely need more content hopefully he can provide it

 

[thegrindisreal2]

The option to tell Evelynn to work harder, does not show up. I bought and gave her the ring. Then I saw her wearing it at the bar. After that the work harder dialog doesn't appear.

 

[Pr0GamerJohnny]

In 1.5 years there's really not enough content to consider it more than an initial demo. This game was interesting and had promise, and still does, but the content really needs to start coming in. Combat is non-lewd stuff and I'm interested in story and gameplay, but it's lacking in those departments too. Can't not have that and the lewd stuff either. Most players probably aren't interested in the combat and story at all, and it's rather fair as there's just way too little in there.

Just being honest, but I'm rapidly losing interest. Next update really needs to be a banger.

Bro I wanna know what demos youve been playing that feature lengthy conversations with 3-4 characters, a large variety of environments, and leading up to oral sex with one of them.