VN Ren'Py Completed Snow Daze: The Music of Winter [v1.6] [Outbreak Games]

[UPDATEZEPASTEBIN]

Fraud allegations have pretty much been hard confirmed.
Can't even call it a dead game because it'd had to have lived at some point to die

 

[pepiteaux12]

thx man

 

[Count Morado]

Fraud allegations have pretty much been hard confirmed.
Can't even call it a dead game because it'd had to have lived at some point to die

The word "fraud" is thrown around a lot about devs by people who specifically come to this site to rip off content from creators without compensating them.

Look, I come here to do the same - but I'm not going to be hypocritical and point fingers at developers simply because they aren't doing what I want them to do.

Also, Have you looked at the banner for Snow Daze?


Sure, the remake is dead in the water --- but you have the original fully completed game right here to play.

Holy fuck, people.

 

[yercat]

The word "fraud" is thrown around a lot about devs by people who specifically come to this site to rip off content from creators without compensating them.

Look, I come here to do the same - but I'm not going to be hypocritical and point fingers at developers simply because they aren't doing what I want them to do.

Also, Have you looked at the banner for Snow Daze?
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Sure, the remake is dead in the water --- but you have the original fully completed game right here to play.

Holy fuck, people.

The behind the scenes of all these rants it's like i said before, people tired of seeing the same behavior over and over again, not with just porn game but with normal games nowadays, where games comes out on time and not finished.

 

[Count Morado]

The behind the scenes of all these rants it's like i said before, people tired of seeing the same behavior over and over again, not with just porn game but with normal games nowadays, where games comes out on time and not finished.

I get it. But you do see the hypocrisy, right? Its fucking hilarious the level of entitlement.

Anyway. I stand by my statements. People have a fully completed game to play in this thread time right now. Sure, the remake is dead .. who the fuck cares??? Who the fuck should care??

The subscribers? Sure. But that's not relevant in a forum dedicated to taking things without compensation. Subs should take their fight, if they so wish, in the forums where it is relevant. They don't need people in a "pirate" forum to back them up.

 

[yercat]

I get it. But you do see the hypocrisy, right? Its fucking hilarious the level of entitlement.

Anyway. I stand by my statements. People have a fully completed game to play in this thread time right now. Sure, the remake is dead .. who the fuck cares??? Who the fuck should care??

The subscribers? Sure. But that's not relevant in a forum dedicated to taking things without compensation. Subs should take their fight, if they so wish, in the forums where it is relevant. They don't need people in a "pirate" forum to back them up.

And you are totally right.
There's nothing we can do, subs and the people who defend this are beyond retarded at this point, and no dev will answer anything.

 

[Ronjonsurf69]

For what Poli wrote here and on the steam forums, i really can't see zeta as someone "kind" but more like a moron. Also, you can't trust anyone or anything in this project, it's all a smoke screen, and the only ones that knows whats happening are Frost, Cypresszeta and critical bliss and none of then will share shit, hell, I'm not even sure if they know what's going on with the project.

Whatever project with this system 90% of the time works with kickstarter, not this monthly support platform. Subscriberstar, patreon, etc, are made to show progress and that's what they are not doing while getting money.

Those views are fine to have and well validated. I myself have faith in the game even with the hiccups presented. It has to be here eventually, so I will not bad mouth the team. Life happens.

 

[polisummer]

Long Rant incoming


Look, I'd normally agree, bacause Zeta's track record on paper was good: several games finished, among them Overwhored, one of the first big nsfw indie games, the original snow daze, a pretty good visual novel, and kissing therapy, a full game developed on the side...

BUT

they have not developed or even shown anything worth-while in like six years, there is only some loose sketch artworks, weird stalling announcements, a strange focus on having the VAs of Snow Daze do stuff not-related to the development of the remake, Frost himself not being that involved in the development and instead giving it to another team that have been several YEARS promising a demo without release, and ignoring any kind of comment asking about how the development is going other than 'coming soon, trust'.

The first Snow Daze saw it's first alpha on 2016, with the FULL game coming out less than two years after, with continuous releases and updates. If memory serves Redaze has been 5 years into development, 0 demos, 0 new note-worthy content, barely updates on what even will be new, only occasional mention that the VAs are doing stuff... it is taking more time to bring in a single demo than to make the original full game, unless Redaze is supposed to be like ten times the length of the original I don't get what's taking this long other than the new team is not working.

And this is not me being impatient, this is not the first game I have to wait more than half a decade to play, main example: Quest Failed 2 by Frostworks, another multiple-choice voiced visual novel, only that one began production in 2018... differences? well, 1. That one has a playable DEMO. 2. Frost Is very active on Discord and patreon and offers updates for the development, so far he assured this summer the main story is done, over 35 scenes in the game (as per last summer announcement on patreon), and he is doing the side-quests, and the patreons DO get the alpha releases and testing, he just doesn't want those to the public because he wants only Demo and full release. 3. he offers stuff on the patreon like written side-stories or fun scenarios and art with the characters from that game. 4. Has apologized several times on how late the game has been because he admits he completely miscalculated the time it would get for him to do what he wants to do. and 5. he actually is only one person working on it, he doesn't have a team beyond the VAs and Artists, he is the sole programmer and writer.

Is it possible he is stalling? maybe, but i am willing to trust Frost because things do seem to constantly be moving, even if dreadfully slow.

ReDaze tho? i've seen NOTHING move for the past several years other than empty promises or other projects.

I'm glad you liked the game so much. Even Kissing Therapy! That game was a random suggestion I had to Cypress when I saw a game jam on itch. He said he had an old script lying around, so us and the artist threw that game together and polished it in just under a month. It was a fun break from Snow Daze that still let us improve our skills. I thought most people forgot about Kissing Therapy.

But on another note, what you have written and what yercat responded to you below is mostly spot on. I want to clarify that Snow Daze only turned into a full game and got on Steam in less than two years because competent people worked on it. Cypress can't program much at all. I initially came on to fix a bug in Renpy that he couldn't figure out and stuck around to turn his character dialogues into a game because I actually knew what I was doing. Cypress is also not a businessman nor wants to be one. That is why whenever things look to get tough, or uncharted, or require some administrative decision-making, he will quickly and happily hand it off to someone else. That's how the scammer known as Lewd Logic (Critical Bliss) got into the picture and tanked everything. Cypress just wants to write, and if there are any bumps along the way then he will take the long way around.

Don't expect to hear anything from him or CB. Cypress doesn't like conflict. CB will ignore everything and everyone and continue to scam people, especially naive developers like Cypress and Tiramisu (the Ntraholic developer). That's what the fraud is. It's not just people who feel they are entitled to games in progress but will never come out. It's about developers themselves being scammed by a person pretending to be a publisher. It's all of their fanbase, SEO, Steam traffic, being directed to a scammer who then uses it to pump sales of games that he has essentially stolen from ESL developers and put on Steam. Games that he doesn't actually work on, doesn't do any marketing for, doesn't do anything to. That's the fraud.

Also, a fellow Quest Failed fan! Frostworks is a cool guy in discord. That's how a developer should be: plenty of communication and actual engagement with fans.