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yeah..i get that she looks older in a few renders but also if you people had actually played the game ...they would have seen...

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yeah mc and the quality has gone down...it's kinda funny to see so many reactions yet.. the actual support that came was one guy looking for an android build and we wonder why game developers stop games? :))

i am gonna focus on other things, you guys go ahead and continue the conversation without me and feel free to create a better game with better renders :)
You do an amazing job, I fell in love with this girl. Like a real girl. If there will be wallpapers on steam I will definitely buy such a dlc. And please add Russian language if possible
 
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You do an amazing job, I fell in love with this girl. Like a real girl. If there will be wallpapers on steam I will definitely buy such a dlc. And please add Russian language if possible
hey, we are looking into i11n (internationalization) paid patreon accounts have a lot of 5k and even 8k wallpapers
 

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hey sadly some platforms don't allow for this and that will make much harder to monetize and grow the project:)
Steam often has this situation with games from Patreon. They often make custom family connections, by default it's a stepmother, players can change it themselves if they want. For example, a fetish locator
 
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How about some clear and visible warning from the dev that he is collecting data behind players' backs, hmm? Simplewall instantly blocked connection after I launched the game. Uninstalled and see you never again.
 
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How about some clear and visible warning from the dev that he is collecting data behind players' backs, hmm? Simplewall instantly blocked connection after I launched the game. Uninstalled and see you never again.
well Edgar, I have better solution to that, no more free versions, I have given up control over the thread and I don't plan on giving any more free releases here as far as free stuff not really being free how about facebook, gmail and all the other "free" products.

I added analytics to see what scenes are working and what is the conversion rate for patreon (0.003%)btw 99% websites you visit have the same analytics (Plus your location, browser, resolution etc - stuff we don't actually track)

good luck in the future :) you are playing my game for free so what are we getting out of this? now go find another dev to troll!
 

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well Edgar, I have better solution to that, no more free versions, I have given up control over the thread and I don't plan on giving any more free releases here as far as free stuff not really being free how about facebook, gmail and all the other "free" products.

I added analytics to see what scenes are working and what is the conversion rate for patreon (0.003%)btw 99% websites you visit have the same analytics (Plus your location, browser, resolution etc - stuff we don't actually track)

good luck in the future :) you are playing my game for free so what are we getting out of this? now go find another dev to troll!
FYI if you want a hint as to why your conversation rate is so low. Your models and production value is sky high. Great stuff.

But the story is honestly not that interesting. The writing is competent, sure. But there's just no story. The most popular games out there have something that connects with you. Whether it's a niche kink or something else. There's story.

You guys, have no real story. It's like it's just chopped out by AI. Disjointed and without any warmth or connection.

I think a lot of people just download it for the production value but don't really get into it. I know that's why I follow this thread but honestly, I can take it or leave it.

Your inconsistency is also likely to blame. Devs ghost all the time and abandon projects. Consistency is key to getting paying customers in this game.

Just an FYI. Your metrics are probably lying to you. You likely won't see any surge of patreon users even if it completely vanished from this site. That's my guess anyway.

Get yourself a better writer, build a better story and build trust through consistency.
 

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FYI if you want a hint as to why your conversation rate is so low. Your models and production value is sky high. Great stuff.

But the story is honestly not that interesting. The writing is competent, sure. But there's just no story. The most popular games out there have something that connects with you. Whether it's a niche kink or something else. There's story.

You guys, have no real story. It's like it's just chopped out by AI. Disjointed and without any warmth or connection.

I think a lot of people just download it for the production value but don't really get into it. I know that's why I follow this thread but honestly, I can take it or leave it.

Your inconsistency is also likely to blame. Devs ghost all the time and abandon projects. Consistency is key to getting paying customers in this game.

Just an FYI. Your metrics are probably lying to you. You likely won't see any surge of patreon users even if it completely vanished from this site. That's my guess anyway.

Get yourself a better writer, build a better story and build trust through consistency.
these are some great points and amazing feedback, that's why we are redoing our first part for story consistency and a better story arc and for model consistency, you are 100% right that inconsistency is to blame and i will not get into that as for the production value that's all because of a lot of work goes into that and we focused on getting the best quality renders + animations first before the story was looked at more in detail (that's changing)

We have tested quite a few writers throught the releases and we have happy with where we are.

let me be transparent the reason I am not posting here (and a lot of other devs as well) is the entitlement and trolling that's just not worth my time, I thought that I could use this site and this thread as a CAB (customer advisory board) the only problem is that if you thing the game or story is trash put yourself on our end and see how that feels.

with that said, metrics don't lie and the data we collected has confirmed our other polls and customer feedback (the only pleasant surprise is the amount of times people replayed the game, that is amazing to see).

great points and if you more feeedback feel free to DM me, I don't mind openly talking about failures as long as it's productive.
 
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these are some great points and amazing feedback, that's why we are redoing our first part for story consistency and a better story arc and for model consistency, you are 100% right that inconsistency is to blame and i will not get into that as for the production value that's all because of a lot of work goes into that and we focused on getting the best quality renders + animations first before the story was looked at more in detail (that's changing)

We have tested quite a few writers throught the releases and we have happy with where we are.

let me be transparent the reason I am not posting here (and a lot of other devs as well) is the entitlement and trolling that's just not worth my time, I thought that I could use this site and this thread as a CAB (customer advisory board) the only problem is that if you thing the game or story is trash put yourself on our end and see how that feels.

with that said, metrics don't lie and the data we collected has confirmed our other polls and customer feedback (the only pleasant surprise is the amount of times people replayed the game, that is amazing to see).

great points and if you more feeedback feel free to DM me, I don't mind openly talking about failures as long as it's productive.
Doesn't look like I'm allowed to view your profile (which I assume is where you send DM's - I don't really get super involved in this place just have an account to follow a few games I like).

I think you will find one important commonality among top performing games on here though. Taboo. They leverage taboo kinks. Incest, NTR and similar. Often both (my own favorite).

If I want to see hot chicks having sex with dudes there's plenty of porn out there for me. I really have very little interest in seeing a hot bimbo fuck some random dude without some taboo story element.

F95 serves as the facilitation layer for taboo patches etc that aren't allowed on mainstream monetizing platforms. So devs can release a sanitized version one place and then claim "Oh I have nothing to do with that DISGUSTING pirate platform patch, this is just an innocent game about a tenant and his landlady wink wink".

Go check out some of the top performing games on here. See what kinks drive the market and consider adding some spice to your story. Officially, or unofficially.

As for the user feedback. If you want to be in a consumer business, my friend you will just have to get used to it or I recommend you leave the business and head over to B2B where people are genuinely a lot more civil.

The vocal minority of uneducated dickbags will always scream the loudest. Civilized people will seldom speak up. They consume and move on.

I think Project Myriam might honestly serve as a great inspiration for you guys. Both as an example of a solid developer as well as a model for a successful game genre you guys could probably get into.
 
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Doesn't look like I'm allowed to view your profile (which I assume is where you send DM's - I don't really get super involved in this place just have an account to follow a few games I like).

I think you will find one important commonality among top performing games on here though. Taboo. They leverage taboo kinks. Incest, NTR and similar. Often both (my own favorite).

If I want to see hot chicks having sex with dudes there's plenty of porn out there for me. I really have very little interest in seeing a hot bimbo fuck some random dude without some taboo story element.

F95 serves as the facilitation layer for taboo patches etc that aren't allowed on mainstream monetizing platforms. So devs can release a sanitized version one place and then claim "Oh I have nothing to do with that DISGUSTING pirate platform patch, this is just an innocent game about a tenant and his landlady wink wink".

Go check out some of the top performing games on here. See what kinks drive the market and consider adding some spice to your story. Officially, or unofficially.

As for the user feedback. If you want to be in a consumer business, my friend you will just have to get used to it or I recommend you leave the business and head over to B2B where people are genuinely a lot more civil.

The vocal minority of uneducated dickbags will always scream the loudest. Civilized people will seldom speak up. They consume and move on.

I think Project Myriam might honestly serve as a great inspiration for you guys. Both as an example of a solid developer as well as a model for a successful game genre you guys could probably get into.
great points the story we are crafting will contain a lot of different type of kinks, i like project myriam and a few others ( i have actually supported Zorlun and currently still support that dev) and they have similar tropes ( from the older husband to the hot wife to the other themes) but we will not do other other kinks.

F95 used to be good place to launch games but the "uneducated dickbags" are getting to most devs to be honest, let's continue this via DM so the trolls can troll:))
 

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Doesn't look like I'm allowed to view your profile (which I assume is where you send DM's - I don't really get super involved in this place just have an account to follow a few games I like).

I think you will find one important commonality among top performing games on here though. Taboo. They leverage taboo kinks. Incest, NTR and similar. Often both (my own favorite).

If I want to see hot chicks having sex with dudes there's plenty of porn out there for me. I really have very little interest in seeing a hot bimbo fuck some random dude without some taboo story element.

F95 serves as the facilitation layer for taboo patches etc that aren't allowed on mainstream monetizing platforms. So devs can release a sanitized version one place and then claim "Oh I have nothing to do with that DISGUSTING pirate platform patch, this is just an innocent game about a tenant and his landlady wink wink".

Go check out some of the top performing games on here. See what kinks drive the market and consider adding some spice to your story. Officially, or unofficially.

As for the user feedback. If you want to be in a consumer business, my friend you will just have to get used to it or I recommend you leave the business and head over to B2B where people are genuinely a lot more civil.

The vocal minority of uneducated dickbags will always scream the loudest. Civilized people will seldom speak up. They consume and move on.

I think Project Myriam might honestly serve as a great inspiration for you guys. Both as an example of a solid developer as well as a model for a successful game genre you guys could probably get into.
As a new game dev myself, I actually found this to be REALLY good feedback. Even though it obviously wasn't written for me, it's a great generalization and guideline for all new game devs. More of a warning really but an honest one, and one people should follow.
 

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As a new game dev myself, I actually found this to be REALLY good feedback. Even though it obviously wasn't written for me, it's a great generalization and guideline for all new game devs. More of a warning really but an honest one, and one people should follow.
interesting project you have, i like the use of AI but the biggest problem we will face is that with photo realistic images and animations of some of the kinks people usually ask for might put a target on your back for patreon and steam, so what do you do there?

My game has a good following on oppaiman and a small following from here but honestly mostly trolls around:)

Don’t put your project at risk for a rando’s comment, happy to chat more about this via DM or discord
 

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yeah, we have been chatting for a while but what’s that got to with the image above?

The story is getting redone and I don’t want to give out any spoilers

What do you mean, "What's that got to do with the image above."? I wasn't talking about any images, I was just saying that guys comment was good advice, for anyone making games and posting them to F95Zone. Not just you. Not just me. It was just good advice in general. I guess you could say it spoke to me.

As far as your second comment is concerned. I'm not sure how you're doing your work. I assume you're using a very low denoise setting in something like SDXL or Flux on top of your Daz Renders. At least that's what I'm doing. I think where we differentiate with our work, at least as far as the renders are concerned, is that I'm erasing about 95% of my Flux overlay in Photoshop after the fact. Basically I'm removing it from everything but the eyes, hair and around the lips... I use it on those parts only because characters look inconsistent, at least in my experience, when using AI... But Daz has terrible looking eyes, hair and mouths, so I let the AI touch that up.
That being said, I'm not here knocking what you're doing at all. I think your work looks really good in the preview images. I didn't play the game so I can't see if your characters look consistent throughout. I just know that's a problem with AI. That's why I erase most of it on mine. But again, that's just me. Maybe you know something I don't or you've built LORA's for your characters. Either way, again, I'm not saying anything negative about what you're doing. Just trying to point out or differences so we can have a better understanding of eachothers work, and can learn from eachother better.

I spent a lot of time explaining that I'm not trashing your work or attacking you for using AI. I did this very intentionally because I know people have a serious HATRED for anyone who uses AI. Trust me, I BARELY use it (My denoise setting is .018 and I delete 95% of it from the image), and even I got a lot of hate for it. So I want you to understand that I'm not coming at you with any ill-will. In fact, I'd love to hear how you're doing what you're doing. In a private DM of course. I enjoy learning wherever I can. Especially from other people like us, who are on the bleeding edge of new tech.

Feel free to message me. Seems like we put our games out about the same time. Both have female protagonists. And both have a very similar art style. Might be good to keep in touch through our journey for those reasons. Our gameplay and stories are probably very different so feeling like we're competition shouldn't be an issue. And again, I'd love to know how you created your profile signature banner GIF, how you're using AI on your characters, and how your reception has been from people knowing you are using AI.

Cheers! And good luck on your journey!

P.S. Don't feed the trolls. Don't let people get you down. Just keep making your game. It'll find an audience, even if some people are knocking down your door with pitchforks and torches.
 

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What do you mean, "What's that got to do with the image above."? I wasn't talking about any images, I was just saying that guys comment was good advice, for anyone making games and posting them to F95Zone. Not just you. Not just me. It was just good advice in general. I guess you could say it spoke to me.

As far as your second comment is concerned. I'm not sure how you're doing your work. I assume you're using a very low denoise setting in something like SDXL or Flux on top of your Daz Renders. At least that's what I'm doing. I think where we differentiate with our work, at least as far as the renders are concerned, is that I'm erasing about 95% of my Flux overlay in Photoshop after the fact. Basically I'm removing it from everything but the eyes, hair and around the lips... I use it on those parts only because characters look inconsistent, at least in my experience, when using AI... But Daz has terrible looking eyes, hair and mouths, so I let the AI touch that up.
That being said, I'm not here knocking what you're doing at all. I think your work looks really good in the preview images. I didn't play the game so I can't see if your characters look consistent throughout. I just know that's a problem with AI. That's why I erase most of it on mine. But again, that's just me. Maybe you know something I don't or you've built LORA's for your characters. Either way, again, I'm not saying anything negative about what you're doing. Just trying to point out or differences so we can have a better understanding of eachothers work, and can learn from eachother better.

I spent a lot of time explaining that I'm not trashing your work or attacking you for using AI. I did this very intentionally because I know people have a serious HATRED for anyone who uses AI. Trust me, I BARELY use it (My denoise setting is .018 and I delete 95% of it from the image), and even I got a lot of hate for it. So I want you to understand that I'm not coming at you with any ill-will. In fact, I'd love to hear how you're doing what you're doing. In a private DM of course. I enjoy learning wherever I can. Especially from other people like us, who are on the bleeding edge of new tech.

Feel free to message me. Seems like we put our games out about the same time. Both have female protagonists. And both have a very similar art style. Might be good to keep in touch through our journey for those reasons. Our gameplay and stories are probably very different so feeling like we're competition shouldn't be an issue. And again, I'd love to know how you created your profile signature banner GIF, how you're using AI on your characters, and how your reception has been from people knowing you are using AI.

Cheers! And good luck on your journey!

P.S. Don't feed the trolls. Don't let people get you down. Just keep making your game. It'll find an audience, even if some people are knocking down your door with pitchforks and torches.
nah mate using AI like in our use cases is a sign of courage and a sign of disruption, We don’t use DAZ anymore, we moved to blender.

We use 2 different AI tools plus Photoshop similar to what you said, we even polish the animations, check the latest release Episode 2 Chapter 1, we do use Lora’s a lot and custom checkpoints plus we don’t use Flux, it’s not as good as our custom SDXL checkpoint.

I will download and play your game, we launched out game in Nov 2023 a while ago but we evolved a lot in all aspects but low IQ trolls here aren’t helpful or funding shit, less then 10% of patreon base is from here.

This place is a good linkedin like resource for devs, artists, writers etc, nothing else!

add me on discord and try my game, I will try yours a bit later today,

good luck:)
 
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