Erebus69

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And your claims of my behaviour for 10 years
The Dev's behavior, I knew you would misread that.

calling out bullshit when needed.
And what I'm doing to you

This supposed "mild criticism" ...
Yet your trying to police their thoughts on a porn pirating site

the search button is right. there. ... messages on here start sounding more than a little deranged
Welcome to the internet, its annoying, sometimes its trolling, sometimes it's bots scraping content, and sometimes it people that dont care

messages on here start sounding more than a little deranged
pot meet kettle

We can all be civil here
 

Grimlock99

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AI gets announced for the game
Updates take a noticeable decline
What did they mean by this?
This time around what's funny is that according to them art isn't the problem but rather the writing is now the current "block". Since they announced that updates are gonna be on Ren'Py they have now found a new "problem" to blame delays, now its not unity being the problem but rather something else. Be for real, like I don't share the criticism around the new art, every artist changes and seeing how most of their patrons agree its just a simple matter of getting used to the new art or ignoring the game, but their excuses and the serious lack of communication has caused this game to really falter to what it should be.
 
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slowparson

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Love peeps defending the devs hurt feelings, if they didn't want to run the risk of getting shit on for producing a poorly-designed ripoff porn parody, they could always just try making a poorly-designed original porno game instead... that far fewer people would invest in/donate for. Or I don't know, get a "real" job and do this shit on the side grow thicker skin!
 
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Love peeps defending the devs hurt feelings, if they didn't want to run the risk of getting shit on for producing a poorly-designed ripoff porn parody, they could always just try making a poorly-designed original porno game instead... that far fewer people would invest in/donate for. Or I don't know, get a "real" job and do this shit on the side grow thicker skin!
Let's set this straight before it gets twisted further, I couldn't give a flying fuck about their feelings. I draw the line at harassing devs but I wouldn't say this matches the criteria since it's closer to a circle jerk of hate and otherwise agree that actions have consequences. My point is that insults aren't critique. If people want to throw shit like a bunch of apes, have at it, just don't try to claim it's anything higher brow than that. I haven't even interacted with Mishanya1004's previous comments because he's being honest about the fact shit-slinging is all he's doing and I respect that. I didn't even know about the RenPy port since it's been gone so long otherwise I dare say I'd be playing that instead, just like I said would be the case if there was an alternative and the only quote I took from his earlier outburst was for the general understanding of how GenAI works, like Gerbalzlayer has also said. It wasn't until Freelancer's minimisation that I said something, which Mishanya has agreed with. I'm not even going bother with Erebus's cherry-picking of information.
 

slowparson

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I draw the line at harassing devs but I wouldn't say this matches the criteria since it's closer to a circle jerk of hate and otherwise agree that actions have consequences. My point is that insults aren't critique.
To be fair, I was making a general statement, not one specifically aimed at anyone; hence why I didn't quote anyone for a direct response. So instead, here's a more succinct explanation of how one person's criticism is another's insult:



Mel Brooks or die!
 

FreelancerFL

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Calling the developer lazy, a clown and accusing them of AI usage, not putting in any effort and knowingly milking funds from supporters aren't "mild criticism", they're personal attacks. Whether any or all of the above are justified is a very different matter, but your attempt at a censorship deflection despite not having been personally accused of doing so speaks to a persecution complex or perhaps a sense of guilt for wrongdoing. Either way, people are still going to be in here asking when the next update is coming or complaining about the game or the developer because they've got nothing better to do or nowhere else to go, despite Mishanya1004's claim that people have reverse-engineered the game and made a better product. If that were true, people would be playing that instead of bitching in here.

"but your attempt at a censorship deflection despite not having been personally accused of doing so speaks to a persecution complex or perhaps a sense of guilt for wrongdoing"

Lol, LMAO even.
The persecution complex is some crazy work, comes off like a projection ngl.

You've been on here for longer than most of us running shameless defense for they who shall remain unnamed. Are you sure you're not associated because honestly at this point, you deserve a bone for your trouble.

You're not wrong on all accounts though, there's no competition (real or imaginary) because most here, myself included either don't have the time to burn to learn how to code/make art/both or the funds to facilitate the time investment to learn aforementioned skills. That's not going to be enough to stop people from making criticisms valid or otherwise.
 
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"but your attempt at a censorship deflection despite not having been personally accused of doing so speaks to a persecution complex or perhaps a sense of guilt for wrongdoing"

Lol, LMAO even.
The persecution complex is some crazy work, comes off like a projection ngl.

You've been on here for longer than most of us running shameless defense for they who shall remain unnamed. Are you sure you're not associated because honestly at this point, you deserve a bone for your trouble.

You're not wrong on all accounts though, there's no competition (real or imaginary) because most here, myself included either don't have the time to burn to learn how to code/make art/both or the funds to facilitate the time investment to learn aforementioned skills. That's not going to be enough to stop people from making criticisms valid or otherwise.
Projection? Are we really stooping low enough for a "no you"? I have nothing to feel guilty over.

Is GSG suddenly Voldemort or something? The only reason I'm using the acronym is because I can't be bothered to type "Gunsmoke Games" every time I refer to them. And I'm just here providing benefit of the doubt, not trying to convince people to stay subscribed or something. In fact, I did the exact opposite in the last sentence of the second paragraph of this comment.

I do feel sorry for the person behind the emojis, which I still find funny no matter what's going on, if the narrative of the competence of the artist(s) being the problem and they're a tired mouthpiece is the truth. Beyond that, I've weighed in on productivity based on how we're led to believe this indie dev is structured, how long-term burn out effects artists and correcting the misconceptions of how AI image generation works. The first two are only maybe applicable to GSG/SR7 since none of us know for sure but I think it's worth putting out there among the "lazy", "milking" and "hack". If a different perspective is too conflicting with the circle jerk, I can not waste my time. Erebus has already made it known he doesn't like to hear an opinion other than his own but is that true of you as well? If so, that sounds far more like tone policing than anything I've said.
 
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FreelancerFL

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Projection? Are we really stooping low enough for a "no you"? I have nothing to feel guilty over.

Is GSG suddenly Voldemort or something? The only reason I'm using the acronym is because I can't be bothered to type "Gunsmoke Games" every time I refer to them. And I'm just here providing benefit of the doubt, not trying to convince people to stay subscribed or something. In fact, I did the exact opposite in the last sentence of the second paragraph of this comment.

I do feel sorry for the person behind the emojis, which I still find funny no matter what's going on, if the narrative of the competence of the artist(s) being the problem and they're a tired mouthpiece is the truth. Beyond that, I've weighed in on productivity based on how we're led to believe this indie dev is structured, how long-term burn out effects artists and correcting the misconceptions of how AI image generation works. The first two are only maybe applicable to GSG/SR7 since none of us know for sure but I think it's worth putting out there among the "lazy", "milking" and "hack". If a different perspective is too conflicting with the circle jerk, I can not waste my time. Erebus has already made it known he doesn't like to hear an opinion other than his own but is that true of you as well? If so, that sounds far more like tone policing than anything I've said.

Opinions don't always have to be consistent with reality.
Believe what you want though I'm not your real dad, or your fake dad.
 
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nobody93

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I stopped to see what had happened since christmas last year, and we're at close on 5 months with nothing.

If he's burned out he needs to hand the project off to a team of people who he can pay.

If he's not burned out on it, he needs to up his output because this is honestly a very poor showing for a dev who once clearly had a real drive to make something good.

I feel like if some group of Chinese art students and a coder teamed up they could make a clone of this game in two months, and have a finished, very expanded version of the game in the same 5 months of silence we've had.
 

Mishanya1004

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Beyond that, I've weighed in on productivity based on how we're led to believe this indie dev is structured, how long-term burn out effects artists and correcting the misconceptions of how AI image generation works. The first two are only maybe applicable to GSG/SR7 since none of us know for sure but I think it's worth putting out there among the "lazy", "milking" and "hack".
Except for the fact that we know for sure none of your points apply to SR7. He has always been like this, and his worst parts have only intensified with time. I wouldn't be half as bitter if at some point he actually was better qua communicating and updates - but he wasn't, and at least, back in the day his bad points could be forgiven cause the art was nice.
 
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septacycell

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There will always be people who go overboard in their critic, which is NOT to say that is okay, the mistake is thinking that it represents everyone, or it is the part of the discourse that needs the more attention, no matter what you do, even when you are benign, even when you are doing things right.

Always remember the operators of the red cross and MSF being attacked in Liberia during the Ebola outbreak, while they were trying to help, the local population associated them with the disease and blamed and attacked them, that is one of the height of human altruism and they still got shit for it.

Trying to engage the criticism from level headed people on the basis of them behaving like those who are beign irrational is just another strawman.
 
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