Ren'Py Steps of Debauchery [Ep. 4.2] [Fooxied]

[fernandotorres1]

I still don't understand how this game became so popular. It just has a sexy female main character and that's it. It has the most average story possible. The main character turns into a whore in the most typical/generic/cliched way possible. There are dozens of FMC games where we see the exact same things.

It looks like some developers are just more lucky than others...

Visuals and rendering quality stand out a lot. Actually, there is nothing extra. It has a ridiculous story that we come across in many games. Not much thought was put into it. In fact, it could be a much higher quality production if desired, but a producer who spends everything on this game is digging the grave of a future game. There are some things to take away from this and if he does this, the next game can be much better and the next one can be even better. In order to make infinite profits, you have to never produce the best and always keep the expectation high. If you do the best, no one will be interested in what you do next.

 

[Takkatakka]

There was a dev log a few post above yours. I think It basically said the dev always intended to take choice away at a certain point.

You just can't make everything a player choice. I don't understand how that is so hard to grasp. The game would become a permutation nightmare and completely impossible to develop. You might be able to do that for a mainly text based game, but not for a game with Renders. Sorry, but if you play a porn game that is called "Steps of Debauchery" and you expect the fMC to stay a virgin, you simply failed to manage your expectations.

 

[smarty101]

Yes it is. College parties are known for debauchery which includes a lot of alcohol, drugs and sex. A true debauchery is an orgy and Sodom, Gomorrah and Romans are "rewarded" for having many of them.

An orgy is just that an orgy, an orgy is not actual Debauchery, both words have a similar meaning but there foundations are completely different.

As the main difference between Debauchery and Orgy is that Debauchery is a wild gathering involving excessive drinking and promiscuity while Orgy is secret rite in the cults of ancient Greek or Roman deities involving singing and dancing and drinking and sexual activity.

sexual activity does not constitute sexual intercourse only, it also includes handjob, blowjob, oral sex.

Officially an Orgy involving sexual activity consists of all female, all male or a mix of male and female and cosists of more than 2 people.

"Unofficialy" an orgy involving sexual activity consists of a mix of male and females and consists of more than 4 people, this is due to the coining of the words threesome and foursome.

 

[smarty101]

You just can't make everything a player choice. I don't understand how that is so hard to grasp. The game would become a permutation nightmare and completely impossible to develop. You might be able to do that for a mainly text based game, but not for a game with Renders. Sorry, but if you play a porn game that is called "Steps of Debauchery" and you expect the fMC to stay a virgin, you simply failed to manage your expectations.

if you are good at what you are doing then creating a multiple-choice VN should not be impossible, there are rather a few really good multiple-choice VN's here on this site that have massive followings, so no it is not impossible. the time and cost will be more but that's what you get if you want to create a really good VN that is not simple pornography

 

[Dessolos]

You just can't make everything a player choice. I don't understand how that is so hard to grasp. The game would become a permutation nightmare and completely impossible to develop. You might be able to do that for a mainly text based game, but not for a game with Renders. Sorry, but if you play a porn game that is called "Steps of Debauchery" and you expect the fMC to stay a virgin, you simply failed to manage your expectations.

oh I do understand this which is why I said it wasn't a big deal to me but also it's still fair criticism. That is why I didn't straight out disagree with the other person saying they are thinking of dropping the game because of it. Cause I did agree but also didn't see it as a big issue either.

Mostly my issue is this : I think the Debauchery part when choices start to become forced could of been executed better. Because before that there were choices to decline things so I can see how it would feel really weird if you were saying no to all of sudden no choice.

I do think keeping choices would of been nice for most FMC games but I can see why it would of been taken them away. Cause if the dev is going with the theme of Debauchery / turning Riley into a slut it makes no sense to say no to everyone , so at one point it has to be forced. I do think it would of been better to have a few characters that are forced and some that weren't cause I don't think Riley needs to turn into a town bicycle either especially because she is far less slutty than most FMC games ive played.

 

[smarty101]

oh I do understand this which is why I said it wasn't a big deal to me but also it's still fair criticism. That is why I didn't straight out disagree with the other person saying they are thinking of dropping the game because of it. Cause I did agree but also didn't see it as a big issue either.

Mostly my issue is this : I think the Debauchery part when choices start to become forced could of been executed better. Because before that there were choices to decline things so I can see how it would feel really weird if you were saying no to all of sudden no choice.

I do think keeping choices would of been nice for most FMC games but I can see why it would of been taken them away. Cause if the dev is going with the theme of Debauchery / turning Riley into a slut it makes no sense to say no to everyone , so at one point it has to be forced. I do think it would of been better to have a few characters that are forced and some that weren't cause I don't think Riley needs to turn into a town bicycle either especially because she is far less slutty than most FMC games ive played.

And what makes you think Debauchery has anything to do with turning into a slut???? becoming or being a slut has absolutely nothing to do with debauchery, once sexual activities are forced it becomes completely different. there should always be choices, Debauchery is a life style, a way of living, and is always done by choice, Debauchery is never something that is forced. Even blackmail and corruption have absolutely nothing to do with Debauchery. but thats a different discussion

 

[Dessolos]

And what makes you think Debauchery has anything to do with turning into a slut???? becoming or being a slut has absolutely nothing to do with debauchery, once sexual activities are forced it becomes completely different. there should always be choices, Debauchery is a life style, and is always done by choice, Debauchery is never something that is forced.

not saying it is exactly but I feel in terms of context of this game it's what it means and what the dev is going for. tbh I don't even see Riley as slut I hate that term but so many would say she is one. As it seems she is embracing her sexual side even when she knows it's wrong. Again I don't disagree about there needing choices etc but I can at least understand why the dev went that route if there is no planned ending where she can say no to everyone or certain characters have a no ending.

 

[piotrkun]

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[Astronomes]

You know those movies where the red button is always the button no one is allowed to press, but the protagonist presses it anyway?

I wanted to know what the panic button was, and when I clicked it, I burst out laughing. Great idea.

 

[StrawberryCheese83]

He should just make the forced scenes skippable. Pretty much EVERY developer in every game offers this option... whether it's a big game or a tiny one. But Foxxied refuses stubbornly. Always the same weird excuses. I don't get it how someone can be so narrow-minded and not give their Players just a LITTLE bit of freedom. So much wasted potential. Question: How would the player experience change if you could skip a character (like Elijah)? NOT AT ALL. You can easily script it so that, if a player doesn't want to see an NPC anymore, that task just doesn't pop up and it is still flagged as "finished"! What's the big deal??? I really don't get it. Look at almost every other corruption game... THEY ALL OFFER OPTIONS!! If I don't want to see a person with the MC/FMC, then I shouldn't have to. Its so easy. It's honestly weird that this dev has only one excuse: 'It's just Rileys path in debauchery.' Never read something dumber. She can still go into her beloved Debauchery...even the Dev would let us skip one or another Scene. The paths you've already played have NO impact on the game (only the Dean-Path). The dev is talking nonsense. How can a decision that you NEVER had to make (because it was forced) have any effect on the game? (Dev told us, earlier made choices matters in the End ) Can someone explain it to me?? Ridiculous...

 

[smarty101]

not saying it is exactly but I feel in terms of context of this game it's what it means and what the dev is going for. tbh I don't even see Riley as slut I hate that term but so many would say she is one. As it seems she is embracing her sexual side even when she knows it's wrong. Again I don't disagree about there needing choices etc but I can at least understand why the dev went that route if there is no planned ending where she can say no to everyone or certain characters have a no ending.

i get your understanding, i wish people would learn what certain things actually mean, Riley is not a slut i agree, for me having no choice in who you are intimate with defeats the option of having choices in the first few versions, and it moves the whole story away from Debauchery to something completely different, the dev is turning this novel from a choice-based novel to a kinetic novel(kinetic novels are the most hated kind of VN) you can't tell a story about debauchery if everything becomes forced upon you.

 

[Fjoihd]

LMAO you think there's not even one?

A wife and mother, Jessica o neils hard news, The Restaurant, A Perfect Marriage, Village Slut Transformation, Fresh Story, Lisa, Anna exciting affection, Ms Denvers, Fashion business, The office, Because I love her, Babysitters, Corruption town....

And a small note: some of the above are much better, not same.

Do you want more? Tell me if you want.

Yes, I want more please

 

[Fooxied]

I love the fights between multi-accounts.

I also love how people think that in a game that is based on the “corruption” of the main character, you can just skip some plots and make all activities optional. Sure, let's make it so you can skip all the sex scenes, and the main character goes from being a person who has never cheated on her husband to suddenly deciding to get into a gangbang because we skipped all the previous scenes.

 

[Superocco]

So is there like a full lesbian pt, or are some of the "things" unavoidable ?

That's impossible to accomplish in this game. The majority of sex scenes are unavoidable, and the vast majority of them are of Riley with other men. The one female character who at the beginning was supposed to just be lesbian is Ivy, but now she loves getting groped by men, giving HJs, and has a bit of a crush on Elijah. So, in short, no lesbian path nor really too much lesbian content. I eventually wanted my Riley to focus more on Ivy in the past, but seeing how things have unfolded with the last updates and how the future looks, I just gave up. I'll come back every once in a while for the game, as I bought it on Steam since I enjoyed it a lot at first, but it's losing a bit of the appeal for me bit by bit.

 

[Superocco]

you are looking at Ivy in the wrong way, it's obvious she has a crush on Riley, i think she is being more involved with Riley and Eli because she wants more from Riley and not from Eli

If you talk with her in the boutique, there was some new dialogue in 4.1 after the D&D game in which it's implied that Ivy has a thing for Elijah, and then Riley says that she's fine with it, because she has also something going on with Elijah. This was a bit odd for me because there was a scene in the park where a guy hits on both Ivy and Riley, and Ivy specifically says that she's not into men, period. But now she's having these moments where she's definitely at least turning into more of a bi-curious woman. I honestly preferred for her to stick to how she was, I'm not enjoying much the Ivy I'm seeing in these two last updates, as well as I'm not a huge fan of how suddenly Riley is eager to throw herself at absolutely everything.
Yes, it's a corruption game, the title is Steps of Debauchery so there's little surprise there. But why can't I choose how to corrupt her? Some people playing this game want for Riley to fuck everything and everyone, and that's totally fine, but some of us would've liked to have some leeway in terms of how she "corrupts" herself, and with whom. Interesting that you can skip the whole storyline with the Dean, which is one of the most interesting and complex ones from the game (even though I despise the guy), but you're stuck with doing naughty stuff with for instance Elijah, no matter what you want.

 

[Yukina Senpai]

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[smarty101]

If you talk with her in the boutique, there was some new dialogue in 4.1 after the D&D game in which it's implied that Ivy has a thing for Elijah, and then Riley says that she's fine with it, because she has also something going on with Elijah. This was a bit odd for me because there was a scene in the park where a guy hits on both Ivy and Riley, and Ivy specifically says that she's not into men, period. But now she's having these moments where she's definitely at least turning into more of a bi-curious woman. I honestly preferred for her to stick to how she was, I'm not enjoying much the Ivy I'm seeing in these two last updates, as well as I'm not a huge fan of how suddenly Riley is eager to throw herself at absolutely everything.
Yes, it's a corruption game, the title is Steps of Debauchery so there's little surprise there. But why can't I choose how to corrupt her? Some people playing this game want for Riley to fuck everything and everyone, and that's totally fine, but some of us would've liked to have some leeway in terms of how she "corrupts" herself, and with who. Interesting that you can skip the whole storyline with the Dean, which is one of the most interesting and complex ones from the game (even though I despise the guy), but you're stuck with doing naughty stuff with for instance Elijah, no matter what you want.

do you know what pisses me off the most, this novel started out as if it was going to be a really fantastic novel, seemed a great plot/storyline and it gave you choices, but for some reason the dev/creator seems to have gone way of plot on what the true meaning of Debauchery is, to take away choices turns this into a kinetic novel and ruins the whole vibe of the story, what a waste of what started out as something good, know its only going to appeal to those perverts who want nothing but porn, did you know becoming or being a slut has absolutely nothing to do with Debauchery, Damn i gt corruption but that still does not mean through yourself at everyone, i must have skipped through some of the boutique dialogue, but i agree with you that Ivy should stay a true Lesbian it adds another dimension to the story. im waiting for the next update but if what others have been saying is true that there will be no choices what so ever and Riley becomes a slut then ill have to drop this novel, which is a shame because i was enjoying it until the last update when the choices became less and less

 

[Superocco]

do you know what pisses me off the most, this novel started out as if it was going to be a really fantastic novel, seemed a great plot/storyline and it gave you choices, but for some reason the dev/creator seems to have gone way of plot on what the true meaning of Debauchery is, to take away choices turns this into a kinetic novel and ruins the whole vibe of the story, what a waste of what started out as something good, know its only going to appeal to those perverts who want nothing but porn, did you know becoming or being a slut has absolutely nothing to do with Debauchery, Damn i gt corruption but that still does not mean through yourself at everyone, i must have skipped through some of the boutique dialogue, but i agree with you that Ivy should stay a true Lesbian it adds another dimension to the story. im waiting for the next update but if what others have been saying is true that there will be no choices what so ever and Riley becomes a slut then ill have to drop this novel, which is a shame because i was enjoying it until the last update when the choices became less and less

I understand what Fooxied wants to achieve with Riley, I'm not going to fight with a Dev's view because this is their game, and they have to see come to fruition the product that they envisioned, not what we or other players want. Taking this into account, people are entitled to like it more or less, and that's totally fine, and of course have the right to share their opinion and what they enjoy or don't like. With that being said, what strikes me as odd in this game is exactly what you said, specifically about the choices. It has been my main concern especially since 4.1.
For my Riley, it makes little sense to not want Richard to peep on her while she's changing in the boutique, or showing off as little as possible while cleaning his apartment, and now all of a sudden saying that she absolutely loves this old man ogling at her. Also, it doesn't make sense to not peep on Elijah, avoid kissing him (so, not being interested in him at all), but then being totally fine with giving him a FJ or a BJ while on stream, or a HJ while playing a game of D&D in front of his friends and Ivy. Or even slapping Wesley and getting his hands off of you when he gets too touchy, but now she's willing to blow him and his business "partner" for getting him out of a mess that he got himself into in the first place.

Like, I get it, Riley has to end up being corrupted, go down a certain path, but then why was I able to change these little things at the beginning that in the end turned out to be insignificant? What's the point of having Ivy as a lesbian character to have her turn bi at the snap of a finger? In no way I want my Riley to be a virgin, fuck no. I want her to do certain stuff, and I definitely want her to break up with Mike. So no, I don't wish for her to be a nun, nor do I want for her to be absolutely loyal, that would be a waste of a storyline and game. But I would've loved to be able to choose with whom she corrupts herself, and how she goes down this path of corruption and debauchery.
I totally understand the complexity of having these multiple paths and variations, but then I would've preferred it if the game didn't let you choose anything in the first place. This way, it feels like you've been leading me to a certain type of choice-based game, and then you threw at me a bunch of forced content that I have no power over, crushing in the process what I had been building towards this point.

I will play 5.0 and see how everything unfolds there, since it's going to be a huge update and have much more content than the previous ones. But I'm already aware that the majority of adult content is going to happen no matter what, so there's that. At least there are supposed to be 4 different endings, so here's hoping that in the future you'd at least be able to lean more and more towards the characters you enjoy the most, which in my case is Ivy.

 

[smarty101]

I understand what Fooxied wants to achieve with Riley, I'm not going to fight with a Dev's view because this is their game, and they have to see come to fruition the product that they envisioned, not what we or other players want. Taking this into account, people are entitled to like it more or less, and that's totally fine, and of course have the right to share their opinion and what they enjoy or don't like. With that being said, what strikes me as odd in this game is exactly what you said, specifically about the choices. It has been my main concern especially since 4.1.
For my Riley, it makes little sense to not want Richard to peep on her while she's changing in the boutique, or showing off as little as possible while cleaning his apartment, and now all of a sudden saying that she absolutely loves this old man ogling at her. Also, it doesn't make sense to not peep on Elijah, avoid kissing him (so, not being interested in him at all), but then being totally fine with giving him a FJ or a BJ while on stream, or a HJ while playing a game of D&D in front of his friends and Ivy.

Like, I get it, Riley has to corrupt herself, go down a certain path, but then why was I able to change these little things at the beginning that in the end turned out to be insignificant? What's the point of having Ivy as a lesbian character to have her turn bi at the snap of a finger? In no way I want my Riley to be a virgin, fuck no. I want her to do certain stuff, and I definitely want her to break up with Mike. So no, I don't wish for her to be a nun, nor do I want for her to be absolutely loyal, that would be a waste of a storyline and game. But I would've loved to be able to choose with who she corrupts herself, and how she goes down this path of corruption and debauchery.
I totally understand the complexity of having these multiple paths and variations, but then I would've preferred it if the game didn't let you choose anything in the first place. This way, it feels like you've been leading me to a certain type of choice-based game, and then you threw at me a bunch of forced content that I have no power over.

I will play 5.0 and see how everything unfolds there, since it's going to be a huge update and have much more content than the previous ones. But I'm already aware that the majority of adult content is going to happen no matter what, so there's that. At least there are supposed to be 4 different endings, so here's hoping that in the future you'd at least be able to lean more and more towards the characters you enjoy the most, which in my case is Ivy.

I dont want her to be a loyal Virgin either, yes she has to take steps towards debauchery, she's finding her new sexuality/way of living so to speak, im all up for some fun and adventures be it with a few lovers outside of the marriage, it's an adult novel after all, your right mike needs to go i dont like him either, and you need to be able to make choices to be sexual or not sexual to certain characters. we cant just shag everyone we meet. im like you in not wanting Riley to be the towns slut/bike but i want her to have lots of fun, just fun i have some control over like yourself.
to be honest im not sure why the dev wants to go so corrupt and deep into sexual slutiness with this novel of debauchery and force it upon readers, but i wont disrespect them for that choice as that is there choice to make, I dont know if the dev has ever ran polls to see what subscribers or other readers wanted to see in this novel, so if this is there choice for direction and not influenced by outsiders then good luck to them.
yep were all entitled to our own opinions, and we should be allowed to voice them politely without others attacking that opinion or person.
lets see what the next update brings.

 

[Rehwyn]

My own two cents:

I don't like a lot of sandbox AVNs. And the primary reason for that is because many lack a cohesive narrative, usually because they give the player too much choice. You often end up with a weak story full of disjointed small encounters without a larger, consistent narrative that ties them together.

This game is one of only three or four sandbox games I can think of that I do like. And probably one big reason is precisely because restrictions are placed on player choice. We get some agency in terms of big decisions such as whether or not to lie to Mike, whether or not to break free of the Dean's blackmail, or whether or not to cheat at the Art festival (and with whom). And we've been told that there's four potential endings planned. For me, that's enough and far preferable to having too many options and a weaker story.