Ren'Py Steps of Debauchery [Ep. 4.2] [Fooxied]

[Takkatakka]

if you are good at what you are doing then creating a multiple-choice VN should not be impossible, there are rather a few really good multiple-choice VN's here on this site that have massive followings, so no it is not impossible. the time and cost will be more but that's what you get if you want to create a really good VN that is not simple pornography

I don't know any narrative driven fMC 3d render VN, that allows you to just choose whatever "encounters" the MC does and still give you a plausible narrative.

 

[Rehwyn]

I don't know any narrative driven fMC 3d render VN, that allows you to just choose whatever "encounters" the MC does and still give you a plausible narrative.

I know of a few that are highly flexible in terms of sex and relationships, but they're all non-sandbox AVNs and most have an overarching story that isn't wholly focused on the FMC's sexuality.

 

[smarty101]

I don't know any narrative driven fMC 3d render VN, that allows you to just choose whatever "encounters" the MC does and still give you a plausible narrative.

Who the hell said anything about choosing whatever you want, and who said anything about narrative driven, there are VN's that have multiple choices when it comes to sexual encounters and still have a damn good story that Follow a pre-written script but have multiple endings, ill say this as politely as i can, if you want to make a comment about one of my comments at least read my comment first and understand what i said.

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Thank you ChipLecsap, at least somebody knows what they are talking about.

I know of a few that are highly flexible in terms of sex and relationships, but they're all non-sandbox AVNs and most have an overarching story that isn't wholly focused on the FMC's sexuality.

ill have to go through the AVN's i have on my computer, but im sure there are a few that still focus on the FMC's sexuality, its not impossible to do it

 

[Rehwyn]

ill have to go through the AVN's i have on my computer, but im sure there are a few that still focus on the FMC's sexuality, its not impossible to do it

Yes, there's a few I've played that do as well (not stating names here because that's discouraged). But none of them are sandbox games. It's a delicate balancing act to maintain a cohesive story while introducing player choice (not to mention harder to code), and being a sandbox already introduces a lot of player choice. That makes it even more challenging to incorporate other options, such as whether or not to follow certain LI routes, see individual scenes, etc.

 

[Takkatakka]

Who the hell said anything about choosing whatever you want, and who said anything about narrative driven, there are VN's that have multiple choices when it comes to sexual encounters and still have a damn good story that Follow a pre-written script but have multiple endings, ill say this as politely as i can, if you want to make a comment about one of my comments at least read my comment first and understand what i said.

So, why aren't you playing those ones then? SoD simply has a certain narrative and in that narrative Riley will become...a slut. Also there are certain things happening in main plot and letting the player avoid certain scenes entirely would just mean the whole narrative stops fitting together.

 

[smarty101]

So, why aren't you playing those ones then? SoD simply has a certain narrative and in that narrative Riley will become...a slut. Also there are certain things happening in main plot and letting the player avoid certain scenes entirely would just mean the whole narrative stops fitting together.

i have played them(maybe you should too), And that's just my point and my preference as it can be done, the first few releases of SoD gave you choices and those choices moved Riley from being a total slut, now all choices will be taken away from the player, all sexual encounters will be forced, so what if certain things are happening in the main plot, you can still choose who to have a sexual encounter with and keep to the main plot since not every character will be involved in the main plot, choices do not break the narrative they can actually enhance it, that is unless you just want an all out fck-fest that is forced
my personal preference is to not have an all out fck-fest, i like a good story with some choices, im entitled to my preference just as your entitled to yours, as long as we keep it civil all is good

 

[Fooxied]

All these long posts, thoughts, and debates - I just want to sum them up with one word… bullshit. Or to put it more nicely: misleading.


I never said that choices would be taken away.

...the first few releases of SoD gave you choices and those choices moved Riley from being a total slut, now all choices will be taken away from the player...

And if someone says there were choices at the start of the game and that players could pick their own path - that’s even more bullshit. In the first 2–3 updates, there were NO meaningful choices, which I said many times, because I wanted the story to build up first.


Back to my main point: the game is heading in a CLEAR direction, it has a CLEAR storyline, and sometimes it FORCES you to do certain things. But players DO and WILL have options to choose different paths. That doesn’t mean you’ll be able to avoid every sexual scene with every character - just like in The Witcher, you can’t avoid fighting the Wild Hunt, IT FORCES YOU TO FIGHT IT. That is how games work.

 

[smarty101]

All these long posts, thoughts, and debates - I just want to sum them up with one word… bullshit. Or to put it more nicely: misleading.


I never said that choices would be taken away.

And if someone says there were choices at the start of the game and that players could pick their own path - that’s even more bullshit. In the first 2–3 updates, there were NO meaningful choices, which I said many times, because I wanted the story to build up first.


Back to my main point: the game is heading in a CLEAR direction, it has a CLEAR storyline, and sometimes it FORCES you to do certain things. But players DO and WILL have options to choose different paths. That doesn’t mean you’ll be able to avoid every sexual scene with every character - just like in The Witcher, you can’t avoid fighting the Wild Hunt, IT FORCES YOU TO FIGHT IT. That is how games work.

this is the problem, im not talking about choosing your own path, why do people consider having some choices as choosing your own path, this is a novel and will always follow a pre writen script/story line, im talking about having a choice if i want to have a sexual encounter with a character if and when it has no impact on the main plot or can be avoided, im not stupid i know some characters will be non-aviodable, as for my mention of choices being taken away that comes from a comment i saw here from another member stating that you had made a post about taking all choices away.
so far im still enjoying this novel and intend to keep following playing until it passes a point that is not for me.

 

[Fooxied]

this is the problem, im not talking about choosing your own path, why do people consider having some choices as choosing your own path, this is a novel and will always follow a pre writen script/story line, im talking about having a choice if i want to have a sexual encounter with a character if and when it has no impact on the main plot or can be avoided, im not stupid i know some characters will be non-aviodable, as for my mention of choices being taken away that comes from a comment i saw here from another member stating that you had made a post about taking all choices away.
so far im still enjoying this novel and intend to keep following playing until it passes a point that is not for me.

Adult visual novels also have their own genres.


If the game is about a male protagonist, it’s usually not a big deal to skip one or even all sexual encounters. That’s because those scenes often don’t affect the character or story too much. Romance is simpler, and the plot is easier to manage.


But that’s not the case with a female protagonist, where the main theme is usually corruption. I don’t know how many times I have to explain this. If someone still doesn’t understand after all these messages, then I think they just want to start drama – yes, I’m looking at you, little strawberry.

He should just make the forced scenes skippable.

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If you let the player skip all the sexual scenes, some will do it – and then the story won’t make sense anymore, because you’ve removed the core theme, which is the corruption of the main character.


Sure, it’s possible to make an alternative path like that, but it would need a lot of extra scenes and renders. Basically, a whole separate storyline. That's why the game is not for everyone. That's why all games forces you to do certain things.


We want to finish the game in 2026, and if we added endless choices, we’d never get it done. That’s what real "milking" would be. I need to think about it.

 

[smarty101]

Adult visual novels also have their own genres.


If the game is about a male protagonist, it’s usually not a big deal to skip one or even all sexual encounters. That’s because those scenes often don’t affect the character or story too much. Romance is simpler, and the plot is easier to manage.


But that’s not the case with a female protagonist, where the main theme is usually corruption. I don’t know how many times I have to explain this. If someone still doesn’t understand after all these messages, then I think they just want to start drama – yes, I’m looking at you, little strawberry.

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If you let the player skip all the sexual scenes, some will do it – and then the story won’t make sense anymore, because you’ve removed the core theme, which is the corruption of the main character.


Sure, it’s possible to make an alternative path like that, but it would need a lot of extra scenes and renders. Basically, a whole separate storyline. That's why the game is not for everyone. That's why all games forces you to do certain things.


We want to finish the game in 2026, and if we added endless choices, we’d never get it done. That’s what real "milking" would be. I need to think about it.

oh hell no i don't want to skip all the sex scenes, wheres the fun in that, i just dont want to fck some ugly dude id like to see Riley ride Eli's young hard dick and give him the time of his life, now that would be fun

 

[Deleted member 9075660]

Does anyone (or dev) have saves that I can use? Switched computers

 

[Fooxied]

oh hell no i don't want to skip all the sex scenes, wheres the fun in that, i just dont want to fck some ugly dude id like to see Riley ride Eli's young hard dick and give him the time of his life, now that would be fun

Read once again, please. You want to skip some ugly dude, some people want to skip Elijah, some people want to skip Mike or Dean. So, in that case, should I let all of you skip those scenes? Because someone will definitely want to do that, which takes away the whole idea of the main character’s corruption. But we are heading somewhere with the game, right? We’ve already agreed on that. In this case, someone skips all the sexual encounters, but to reach a certain goal in the game, we need to go through the full corruption of the character. So suddenly Riley changes from a loving wife into someone who takes off her clothes for anyone, for no reason - just because we didn’t allow her to do that earlier.

 

[smarty101]

Read once again, please. You want to skip some ugly dude, some people want to skip Elijah, some people want to skip Mike or Dean. So, in that case, should I let all of you skip those scenes? Because someone will definitely want to do that, which takes away the whole idea of the main character’s corruption. But we are heading somewhere with the game, right? We’ve already agreed on that. In this case, someone skips all the sexual encounters, but to reach a certain goal in the game, we need to go through the full corruption of the character. So suddenly Riley changes from a loving wife into someone who takes off her clothes for anyone, for no reason - just because we didn’t allow her to do that earlier.

ok take the Dean, at some point you give 2 options when hiding under his deck as mike is there, suck the Deans dick or dont suck his dick(i think those were the choices), then there are two options later on, one to break from the blackmail and one to continue being blackmailed, tha'ts multiple choice, it's choices like that which im mainly talking about, i take it from your explanations of the novel that choices like that do not affect the main story line other wise they would not be there, im all for you having scenes that have to be there and can't be avoided, i totally get that if all scenes had a choice to avoid you would never finish this novel and the story line would be never ending, but that's not what i want or what my original comment that everyone wants to tramble on was about, if your keeping some choices at certain points and them im all for it

 

[Fooxied]

Dean is a separate case, because his story path included blackmail, which some people might see as similar to rape. I understand that this could really upset some players. Even though his path turns out to be very different from what it first seems, I still decided to give players the option to limit it.

 

[Saerwen]

An orgy is just that an orgy, an orgy is not actual Debauchery, both words have a similar meaning but there foundations are completely different.

As the main difference between Debauchery and Orgy is that Debauchery is a wild gathering involving excessive drinking and promiscuity while Orgy is secret rite in the cults of ancient Greek or Roman deities involving singing and dancing and drinking and sexual activity.

sexual activity does not constitute sexual intercourse only, it also includes handjob, blowjob, oral sex.

Officially an Orgy involving sexual activity consists of all female, all male or a mix of male and female and cosists of more than 2 people.

"Unofficialy" an orgy involving sexual activity consists of a mix of male and females and consists of more than 4 people, this is due to the coining of the words threesome and foursome.

If you think that an orgy isn't debauchery, life will slap you in the face hard.

 

[blkcrow20]

Dean is a separate case, because his story path included blackmail, which some people might see as similar to rape. I understand that this could really upset some players. Even though his path turns out to be very different from what it first seems, I still decided to give players the option to limit it.

And I thank you for that. Not a fan of him.

 

[smarty101]

Dean is a separate case, because his story path included blackmail, which some people might see as similar to rape. I understand that this could really upset some players. Even though his path turns out to be very different from what it first seems, I still decided to give players the option to limit it.

see now that's what makes a great writer AVN creator, you understand when it's possible to avoid you give that option, it's simple choices like that being made available that can keep a wider group of people interested, i wish more people could understand that and see that not everything needs to be forced, ill say it again so far you are doing a great job, and thank you for clearing up the non taking away of all choices and forcing everything on players.

 

[smarty101]

If you think that an orgy isn't debauchery, life will slap you in the face hard.

Funny how life has not slapped me in the face so far, I dont think an orgy is not Debauchery i know for fact an orgy is not Debauchery, for those who think an orgy is Debauchery when it's fact that it is not, then those people need to learn the truth, both words have a similar meaning but a different foundation, you can not change history or the meaning of things practised in the past just because it suits you

 

[FRVN]

Dean is a separate case, because his story path included blackmail, which some people might see as similar to rape. I understand that this could really upset some players. Even though his path turns out to be very different from what it first seems, I still decided to give players the option to limit it.

In my first playthrough I chose to end the blackmail because I didn't like how sleezy it was (and I usually try to avoid going all-out on my first playthrough of corruption games and try to stay pure-ish). But after I finished the current amount of content, I went back and played the cheating route where I didn't end it, and was surprised to see how it developed, to the point where I now want to re-do the honest route without skipping his content.

 

[Dessolos]

Truthfully I only said yes to the Dean and blackmail my first time because it's a sandbox. For me Sandbox makes it tough to do multiple saves or playthrough to see other outcomes unless I want to replay the game at some point. As it's not as quick as holding down ctrl skip to see the content and picking my choice.