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TheimmortalP

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If I recall correctly, in ToB companions never left anyway, regardless of reputation. So it was only a problem in the base game, but that could be avoided by intentionally lowering your reputation by punching peasants :) And yeah, I think you could push her towards Neutral Good, but it was a slow and painful route with no pay off whatsoever until the very end.
Aw god, I hated the final thing that happens with the Viconia romance in Baldur's Gate 2: SOA so much. Someone talks her into putting on a necklace or something that will kill her if she tries to harm you. I kept thinking about how what if my character was driven insane and she had to defend herself. It certainly would be believable considering that a big part of the game if you're playing as someone good is resisting the urge to let your powers consume you.

Pretty sure that you don't have to option to just tell the person that she's done more than enough to prove herself a trustworthy ally too, which is just beyonf bullshit. I picked her up super early, and I'm pretty sure that she never hurt anyone innocent in my playthrough too. You basically just were forced to give into a bigots intollerance.

And when I think about it, what if she gets hit with a mind control spell, and you can't dispel it in time?

Btw, cheers friend, BG2 is probably my second favorite game after Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines.
 
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Pretty sure that you don't have to option to just tell the person that she's done more than enough to prove herself a trustworthy ally too, which is just beyond bullshit. [...] And when I think about it, what if she gets hit with a mind control spell, and you can't dispel it in time?
The way I see it, that's the trade-off for pushing for a relationship that's really, really not meant to be. It goes against who she is and, arguably, who you are. With great effort, you can make something resembling a happy couple, but you don't get to have the white picket fence :) I liked that!
 
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TheimmortalP

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Summertime Saga started as a non-sexual game until fans demanded an incest plotline.
Oh wow, I'm really surprised by this. Explains why the game is genuinely very funny, and the minigames are so much fun! I'd love for you to tell me more about what the plans were originally for the game.

I always recall a game I found in the old Lagoon forum (sadly I can't remember its title) in which the goal for your MC was to start your typical 3-way relationship with your gym's manager (a married MILF) and a young and spicy masseuse you met there... only to find out that you were actually their victim as they just wanted to steal all the money you just got from an insurance policy, with the alleged cucked husband being the mastermind of the gang. Just after supposedly getting the game's best possible ending, you got badly beaten up and your MC eventually admitted that he should have known better and never engaged in all the absurdly risky things he did to get those women, as that kind of thing never happens in real life.
This sounds funny! if you rememember the name of the game, please let me know.
 

TheimmortalP

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The way I see it, that's the trade-off for pushing for a relationship that's really, really not meant to be. It goes against who she is and, arguably, who you are. With great effort, you can make something resembling a happy couple, but you don't get to have the white picket fence :) I liked that!
I think it's more likely that the devs didn't even think about giving you an option to defend her from others bigotry.

Edit: BTW, thanks for responding. Been kinda paranoid that you didn't want to talk to me anymore for some reason.
 

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The last video was funny=) I can totally can see that being a thing... I played WoW from classic till early Wotlk and we did have a couple of women in our guild, but i never experienced any real favouritism in that regard. Speaking of WoW, I was rocking a female dwarf paladin back then :p
 

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It seems Divimera haven't been discussed here yet.

It has a pretty unique setting: an unknown island in the Indian Ocean during the British Colonial era. Naturally there are very strange things happening on the island.

A fairly interesting lighthearted story about a boy who got shipwrecked together with his sister and her nanny on that island. It does get a bit porny at times, but it is often pretty silly as well so it doesn't conflict with the tone of the game.

It reminds me of What a Legend!. Overall I find it to be a good game, but likely doesn't fit with jufot's list. :)
 

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Where the Heart Is starts out a lot more porn-troupey than it eventually becomes, IMHO. In the early chapters the MC is a more blatant lech, the woman around him feel much shallower (and definitely have that faux-incest vibe), and the transitions when you avoid a sex scene can be very stilted. But the game mellows out rather quickly and for the most part it's been possible to build up platonic relations with the main cast without feeling like I was playing the game "wrong." Indeed, I find Monica is a great mother figure (once the game dropped the implication she's a borderline alcoholic), and Katie works much better as an annoying sister than she does as a love interest.
Agreed on all counts. Most of the cringy moments in the game do occur relatively early on. For me, one thing that particularly stands out negatively is Zarah's attempting to put an intoxicated Monica (her supposed best friend) in sexual situations with the MC. Gross. That behavior ruined the character of Zarah for me even though I enjoyed her one on one interactions with the MC for the most part. AVNs often seem to have the worst best friends. After playing so many of them, I have a feeling that the next time I read A Separate Peace I'm going to think, "You know, this is a really great friendship comparatively speaking. I mean, it's just a leg!"

I feel like the porniest aspects of more recent chapters mostly relate to the side girl content you think there's too much of.
Thinking about what Éama said before, I still don't think the game practically forces infidelity, but I think you could fairly say it railroads the MC into temptation. It's rare for him to be able to say, "Hey, I'm in a relationship and I don't like where this situation is heading. Bye." Instead, side girls tend to be allowed to shoot their shots and, while they can always get rejected, the MC doesn't always come across as super faithful as the proposition unfolds. One scene of this type that I thought was handled fairly well occurred during the cooking class date with Lily. No chance in my playthrough there, side girl!

Obviously this is going to come down to personal preference, but I think the game has gone out of its way to give us options that very precisely control what the MC does with the numerous LIs. I've certainly enjoyed the hell out of my solo-Lily run: that's definitely not the game was 'expects' to be played, yet there are a still a few good moments that cater to the MC being very loyal. The MC does still have some stray "uh oh, she's on to me!" thoughts cross his mind from time to time when he genuinely has nothing to hide, but no one's perfect. It's certainly nowhere near the predatory, borderline misogynistic introspection I've seen elsewhere.
I think Lily is the real standout character of WTHI. There have been so many heartwarming and hilarious moments with her. She's not the only secretly brilliant AVN character hiding behind a ditzy exterior, but I feel she's the best of the group. She actually reminds me a bit of someone I knew in school, a cheerleader who constantly downplayed her abilities and intelligence in public but always came across as very bright whenever I talked to her privately about some intellectual matter. My only playthrough so far has been a faithful run with Debbie and Lily, but I'd seriously consider trying a Lily solo path next even though I'm sure a lot of the content would be very similar to what I've already seen.

Debbie is still my second favorite character; I actually preferred her to begin with since I thought her playful and flirtatious personality was a particularly good fit for the mischievous MC. They seemed like people who'd make good partners in crime and could have a lot of fun together, but her long-standing crush on Lily made things a bit complicated. Luckily, WTHI is just porny enough that I figured this wouldn't be any sort of dealbreaker, and I was right. I have a feeling Dragon59 would not have considered the starting dynamics of the throuple to be very healthy since in my playthrough headcanon the MC liked Debbie the most, Debbie liked Lily the most, and Lily liked the MC the most. It'll be interesting to see if those three truly end up all on the same page and blissfully polyamorous together.

What routes stand out in your mind as particularly memorable and worth playing? If I couldn't pick either Lily or Debbie, I'd probably go with Angel next. After that, I'm not sure.
 

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Playing as a eunuch in a porn game would be interesting. I don't think it will go well with the anti-NTR crowd though. :D
I'm envisioning a dangerous romance where the sultan could walk in at any moment and cry, "Off with their heads!" If the sex scenes focused primarily on female pleasure and loving intimacy, that alone would make it quite unusual for an AVN. Ophanim wrote an excellent post last month where she talks about how the way heterosexual sex and female pleasure in particular is portrayed in AVNs tends to be extremely far removed from reality.

I wouldn't be surprised if there's a eunuch MC in a femdom game already. If not yet, there probably will be one eventually. Humiliation, just what the poor guy needs...but he'd be loving it, I suppose. Hopefully?

From what I've read, it is possible for a eunuch to achieve an erection, but it's not easy. Nevertheless, some harem women did risk it. Of course, with no tentacles*, no chance of impregnation.

*One of these days, I want an ancient Greek character named Testacles (Tess-ta-cleese).
When I research topics like that, I often think about how awkward it would be if I happened to drop dead with those search results on my screen. It would make the obituary writing a bit more interesting at least. "Let's see here. What'd be a good closer? He was passionately interested in...eunuch sexuality, literally studying it in great detail right up to the very moment he passed away."
 
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Agreed on all counts. Most of the cringy moments in the game do occur relatively early on. For me, one thing that particularly stands out negatively is Zarah's attempting to put an intoxicated Monica (her supposed best friend) in sexual situations with the MC. Gross. That behavior ruined the character of Zarah for me even though I enjoyed her one on one interactions with the MC for the most part. AVNs often seem to have the worst best friends. After playing so many of them, I have a feeling that the next time I read A Separate Peace I'm going to think, "You know, this is a really great friendship comparatively speaking. I mean, it's just a leg!"

I feel like the porniest aspects of more recent chapters mostly relate to the side girl content you think there's too much of.
Thinking about what Éama said before, I still don't think the game practically forces infidelity, but I think you could fairly say it railroads the MC into temptation. It's rare for him to be able to say, "Hey, I'm in a relationship and I don't like where this situation is heading. Bye." Instead, side girls tend to be allowed to shoot their shots and, while they can always get rejected, the MC doesn't always come across as super faithful as the proposition unfolds. One scene of this type that I thought was handled fairly well occurred during the cooking class date with Lily. No chance in my playthrough there, side girl!



I think Lily is the real standout character of WTHI. There have been so many heartwarming and hilarious moments with her. She's not the only secretly brilliant AVN character hiding behind a ditzy exterior, but I feel she's the best of the group. She actually reminds me a bit of someone I knew in school, a cheerleader who constantly downplayed her abilities and intelligence in public but always came across as very bright whenever I talked to her privately about some intellectual matter. My only playthrough so far has been a faithful run with Debbie and Lily, but I'd seriously consider trying a Lily solo path next even though I'm sure a lot of the content would be very similar to what I've already seen.

Debbie is still my second favorite character; I actually preferred her to begin with since I thought her playful and flirtatious personality was a particularly good fit for the mischievous MC. They seemed like people who'd make good partners in crime and could have a lot of fun together, but her long-standing crush on Lily made things a bit complicated. Luckily, WTHI is just porny enough that I figured this wouldn't be any sort of dealbreaker, and I was right. I have a feeling Dragon59 would not have considered the starting dynamics of the throuple to be very healthy since in my playthrough headcanon the MC liked Debbie the most, Debbie liked Lily the most, and Lily liked the MC the most. It'll be interesting to see if those three truly end up all on the same page and blissfully polyamorous together.

What routes stand out in your mind as particularly memorable and worth playing? If I couldn't pick either Lily or Debbie, I'd probably go with Angel next. After that, I'm not sure.
Damn, I dropped "Where the heart is" early on because of the porn-troupeyness. Guess I'll redownload
 

jufot

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It seems Divimera haven't been discussed here yet.

It reminds me of What a Legend!. Overall I find it to be a good game, but likely doesn't fit with jufot's list. :)
Thanks for the recommendation. I played everything until the latest episode before running out of time. It's very much in the vein of What a Legend, but with an actual, gripping story. You can tell it's a labour of love! I'm really enjoying it, but it's probably not a great fit for the list :)
 
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Agreed on all counts. Most of the cringy moments in the game do occur relatively early on. For me, one thing that particularly stands out negatively is Zarah's attempting to put an intoxicated Monica (her supposed best friend) in sexual situations with the MC. Gross. That behavior ruined the character of Zarah for me even though I enjoyed her one on one interactions with the MC for the most part. AVNs often seem to have the worst best friends. After playing so many of them, I have a feeling that the next time I read A Separate Peace I'm going to think, "You know, this is a really great friendship comparatively speaking. I mean, it's just a leg!"

I feel like the porniest aspects of more recent chapters mostly relate to the side girl content you think there's too much of.
Thinking about what Éama said before, I still don't think the game practically forces infidelity, but I think you could fairly say it railroads the MC into temptation. It's rare for him to be able to say, "Hey, I'm in a relationship and I don't like where this situation is heading. Bye." Instead, side girls tend to be allowed to shoot their shots and, while they can always get rejected, the MC doesn't always come across as super faithful as the proposition unfolds. One scene of this type that I thought was handled fairly well occurred during the cooking class date with Lily. No chance in my playthrough there, side girl!
Where the Heart Is is clearly written on the assumption the MC is banging everything that moves. It tracks all sorts of suspicion points, there are lots of asides where the MC cringes when a girl so much as mentions another girl, and even the fact his relationships default to secret is almost entirely down to the expectation he needs to hide them from each other. But we do still control the MC's actions, so cheating is entirely in our hands. Which is very much appreciated.

As far as the side girls go, Mabel was clearly intended as a cheating opportunity to break up the monotony, but she's not very memorable. Like you, I got a kick out of ignoring her during Lily's date - talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight! Porsche was originally meant simply to facilitate Angel's story - she's a plausible distraction for the MC when she's put in danger (which is a bad look for the MC, even with the ability to mostly ignore her). But bringing her back to literally steal the show from Jenna in the next update (and adding Evie) is, IMHO, the dev losing sight of the big picture to focus on his shiny new toy. I have no idea why Captain Heart was added, but at least she had something to do.

I think Lily is the real standout character of WTHI. There have been so many heartwarming and hilarious moments with her. She's not the only secretly brilliant AVN character hiding behind a ditzy exterior, but I feel she's the best of the group. She actually reminds me a bit of someone I knew in school, a cheerleader who constantly downplayed her abilities and intelligence in public but always came across as very bright whenever I talked to her privately about some intellectual matter. My only playthrough so far has been a faithful run with Debbie and Lily, but I'd seriously consider trying a Lily solo path next even though I'm sure a lot of the content would be very similar to what I've already seen.

Debbie is still my second favorite character; I actually preferred her to begin with since I thought her playful and flirtatious personality was a particularly good fit for the mischievous MC. They seemed like people who'd make good partners in crime and could have a lot of fun together, but her long-standing crush on Lily made things a bit complicated. Luckily, WTHI is just porny enough that I figured this wouldn't be any sort of dealbreaker, and I was right. I have a feeling Dragon59 would not have considered the starting dynamics of the throuple to be very healthy since in my playthrough headcanon the MC liked Debbie the most, Debbie liked Lily the most, and Lily liked the MC the most. It'll be interesting to see if those three truly end up all on the same page and blissfully polyamorous together.

What routes stand out in your mind as particularly memorable and worth playing? If I couldn't pick either Lily or Debbie, I'd probably go with Angel next. After that, I'm not sure.
Lily is by far my favorite. As you say, she's a delight. Granted, there's almost no difference between a solo Lily path and the far more common Lily/Debbie combo pack, but personally I'm just not that into Debbie. She's a fine character and she adds a lot to the game (the date with her in the strip club was top notch), but she's really not my type. Plus, given how much I favor Lily, I suspect any attempt at polyamory would eventually end up leaving Debbie unsatisfied.

Next up is Jenna, narrowly edging out Angel. Jenna is a lot of fun and gets a lot of content, though her eagerness to let the MC play around is a little much at times. But the real advantage of her path is the interaction with Jolina. The two are a great double act (and their threeway scene was unusually sexy), but what I'm most interested to see is how things go down in the wake of the revelations in the last episode. Jenna is probably going to be a lot less forgiving of Jo's actions than I am, and I presume the game will have to address that.

Angel is just such a sweetheart, it's a shame she gets so little content (and that the early stuff was often tied up with the original, boring-as-lint version of Wanda). Still, Angel's gorgeous, snarky, has that low-key damsel in distress vibe going, and most interestingly, has the best breakup scene I've seen in the game if she catches the MC making out with Wanda. No fade to black here; good for her!

Last up is Jolina in a distant but respectable fourth place. As I said, she's a great compliment to Jenna, and now has a prominent role in the story as Bella's accomplice. Beyond that, I just liked her story as the blonde 'bimbo' who wanted to prove she could stand on her own two feet but couldn't quite pull it off. I can empathize with that. And it's nice that we can offer her a place to stay without having to sleep with her.

The rest of the cast is more about platonic appeal than proper LI action for me. I have a Katie run just since she's such a prominent character, and I've seen most of the other content courtesy of the 'Start Any Episode' button, but it's more of an intellectual exercise. If I had to pick out some memorable bits, I'd say two things stick out.

First, the 'legally not a threesome' with Jenna and Katie in the gym if you're on both of their paths. Katie, much like Jaye in Chasing Sunsets, has very little sex appeal to me and I have no real taste for the whole 'sex in plain view' thing, but I still have admire the effort the devs put into making the scenario approach plausibility without violating Patreon's rules. Second, I did like Theresa's sex scene*. It wasn't enough to save the character, but I appreciated the effort to approach the scene from her perspective and give her some depth (that, and giving us the option *not* to rub Dogboy's face in it). I'll give an honorable mention to Natasha's blackmail subplot in the more recent episodes, too. I didn't like the setup and it (apparently) fizzled out almost instantly, but it was intriguing while it lasted.

* I believe Theresa's scene as well as the total (much needed!) personality transplant they gave Wanda in Episode 19 were largely the work of Acewinz, which makes his departure from the game that much sadder. :cry:
 
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I did not find it in this thread, so I'd like to suggest Matrix Hearts.
The story is about a guy who almost made it to the Olympic climbing team, but was unlucky enough to get a serious knee injury and nearly hit the bottom, drawning in depression after that accident. But suddenly his former nanny turned out to be a leading scientist in some research center in some island state. She invited him to participate in an experimental treatment program. MC's parents made him go there because they couldn't see him wasting his life anymore. And here is the adventures start.
Despite the harsh beginning, the plot and mood of the game is very bright, lightweight and full of humor and positive emotions. The MC has to adjust to a new school and lifestyle, but it doesn't seem to be all that bad. Lots of charming female characters, relationship building, a slow burn story, very beautiful renderings, everything we appreciate in a good story-first game.
 

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As far as the side girls go, Mabel was clearly intended as a cheating opportunity to break up the monotony, but she's not very memorable. Like you, I got a kick out of ignoring her during Lily's date - talk about bringing a knife to a gunfight! Porsche was originally meant simply to facilitate Angel's story - she's a plausible distraction for the MC when she's put in danger (which is a bad look for the MC, even with the ability to mostly ignore her). But bringing her back to literally steal the show from Jenna in the next update (and adding Evie) is, IMHO, the dev losing sight of the big picture to focus on his shiny new toy. I have no idea why Captain Heart was added, but at least she had something to do.
Wait, what?! They are *still* adding new girls? There were already too many girls when I last played it, 10 updates ago ...
 

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Wait, what?! They are *still* adding new girls? There were already too many girls when I last played it, 10 updates ago ...

I've talked about this before, (maybe in here? I don't remember), but the problems that game has, all stem from the same issue.

The game has multiple writers. Basically it works like this - the "main" story, and most of the "main" characters (I say most, but not all) are written by one person. A *LOT* of the side stuff though, isn't. If any of the writers has "an idea" for something they want to do (or even a character they want to introduce!) they're free to write it. As long as it doesn't massively affect dev time, and doesn't conflict too much with the "main" story, then it's fine.

So what will end up happening is someone will get an idea of something they want to do, or a character they want to write a scene about, or whatever, and as long as it isn't too far off or doesn't screw things up, they figure out how to add it. (Not every idea people come up with makes it in, but it does explain where a lot of the stuff comes from.)

So if you've ever thought "where did this even come from!", well that's probably where. It's not just one person with one vision, it's one person driving the "main" story, with other people pitching in on all of the "side" content (and even writing some scenarios for the main content, within certain parameters).


I stopped playing it a while ago because personally I only really care about the main story in games. (Some side stuff is fine, but there has to be a limit!). The game started devolving into way too much "side" content, and not enough "main" content, which I think is definitely a symptom of the above.
 
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I did not find it in this thread, so I'd like to suggest Matrix Hearts.
The story is about a guy who almost made it to the Olympic climbing team, but was unlucky enough to get a serious knee injury and nearly hit the bottom, drawning in depression after that accident. But suddenly his former nanny turned out to be a leading scientist in some research center in some island state. She invited him to participate in an experimental treatment program. MC's parents made him go there because they couldn't see him wasting his life anymore. And here is the adventures start.
Despite the harsh beginning, the plot and mood of the game is very bright, lightweight and full of humor and positive emotions. The MC has to adjust to a new school and lifestyle, but it doesn't seem to be all that bad. Lots of charming female characters, relationship building, a slow burn story, very beautiful renderings, everything we appreciate in a good story-first game.
It's a little "porny" and im usually not big on college vns but layla more than makes up for it
 
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