Recommending Story-first games

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Raife

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Yeah, I don't think anyone but Maria is mandatory. I just hope the game will let us keep the new girls at a friendly distance.
There would be something both ridiculous and slightly morally intriguing about a potential
'bone me hard, stud, or I'll end up sterile' dilemma. But... I hope we don't end up with a scenario along those lines, which would transform the plot from an intriguing story-first scenario into something farcical and porntastic.

On the other hand, it _would_ be amusing to see the MC try a white knight variation of Boris Becker's "Russian Mob Stole My Sperm" excuse with Maria ('honey I was just trying to be altruistic with the outcasts... but they went too far and stole my sperm!')... although I doubt it would be any more successful than Becker's story was with his first wife! :D
 

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I am almost completely split on ALG: there are some things that I love about it, and other aspects that are extremely annoying.
ALG? Did you mean to type ALJ for A Long Journey?

I've barely begun to look at that one.
 

realjitter

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New update of Give me a Sun
A strong update. Really love the backstory of Celeste and Shadow. Also a really, really hot sex scene.
Great, my nighshift just started so I can't read it for at least 12 hours.. Didn't expect an update of this though since it's only been like 3 weeks or something since i've read the whole thing.. Not that i'm complaining :p. Gimme more of this madness
 

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There's a new game out called Courtship: A Dance With Love that I'm quite taken with. It's one of the rarest types of AVNs: a period piece that actually takes itself seriously and also tells a compelling story with good gameplay. It is set during the Regency era in British history. The player character, a member of the , has just become the new Marquess of Hollow Hill following the sudden death of his father. He is forced to leave a careless life of pleasure-seeking on the continent behind and assume a role he didn't expect to fill for many years yet. His mother -- a quite formidable and status-conscious matriarch who is most definitely not a LI -- makes it very clear that his first priority must be to marry, and she knows exactly which noble or wealthy ladies he should focus his attention on.

Courtship is quite unusual because of its focus on marriage and the cultural standards of the period it is depicting will hopefully keep it from becoming too porny. Men and women (much like men and men or women and women) do tend to find ways to get together regardless of circumstance or time period, but in the world of the game chaperones keep a watchful eye on young couples, formal events provide opportunities for flirtation but no privacy, and courtship itself is a formalized ritual with intentionally limited room for spontaneous expressions of physical affection. I only ran into one sex scene in several playthroughs, and it was a rather furtive and interrupted blowjob that required some sneaking around to make happen. That said, the MC clearly will have opportunities for premarital and extramarital action -- not all the women in the game are marriage-minded, and he has already mused on the prospect of taking a mistress if he finds himself stuck in a unhappy union.

The LIs and other characters are quite interesting. I found myself at times wishing I could ask them questions or otherwise deviate from the Marquess' often carefully chosen phrasing. Among the standouts in my view are a widowed, plain-speaking duchess who appears to have zero interest in getting remarried, a proper and very sweet young noblewoman who worships her parents and seems to perfectly embody the values of her era but likely has both secrets and other suitors, and the unconventional daughter of a wealthy businessman who is the only commoner the MC's mother approves of as a potential mate (alas, mama probably doesn't know about her exhibitionist tendencies).

There are a fair number of choices in the game for a first chapter, and several have quite interesting ramifications. One of my favorite parts of the game occurs when the MC is attending a private party and must choose who to speak to. Talking to one character will go quite badly if you pick her first because the marquess approaches her in completely the wrong way. If, however, you choose to speak to another character first, he'll give the MC some advice that proves invaluable. The marquess will have a completely different conversation with the woman if you then choose to speak to her.

If you decide to give Courtship a shot, I recommend that you commit to playing it the whole way through. The beginning of the game is less polished than the rest of it and could use some editing...expect a few misspellings and mangled phrases. You may also run into a bug where a kiss that may not have happened gets referenced in a subsequent scene (the dev is aware and this should be fixed in a subsequent release). Additionally, the first LI you meet, Sally, is the romantic option I feel the uneasiest about...she works for the family as a maid so there's definitely a power imbalance there and a sense that the MC may be taking advantage of her if he opts to pursue her. On the other hand, the interest is clearly mutual and I get the feeling there might at least be a path where the marquess decides to to run off with Sally, his mother's and society's opinions be damned.
 

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There's a new game out called Courtship: A Dance With Love that I'm quite taken with. It's one of the rarest types of AVNs: a period piece that actually takes itself seriously and also tells a compelling story with good gameplay.
That sounds fascinating! I like period pieces, and those game mechanics sound quite fun. I do worry about the future harem tag. On one hand, the dev says this:
[...] the setting of the game is kind of perfect for an harem ending. It wasn't rare at the time for a lord to have up to 2 mistresses and a wife. So you could have a wife, Sally and a third girl for example. I'm considering other "not married" endings too. If you mean being with every love interests in a giant orgy at the end though, I'm afraid the game will lean more towards the "realistic" approach.
which is quite fair, but then he also says:
[...] it's not a harem with all love interests, but the problem is it's still a game in development and I might add it as a bonus ending just because my most vocal supporter since day 1 has asked me for one and I want to thank him for his unwavering support.
I'm always wary of devs taking development cues from the peanut gallery as it suggests they don't have a solid outline in mind and are just going wherever the Patreon sentiment takes them.

Still, I don't want to be a downer and I'll give it a fair chance :)
 

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There's a new game out called Courtship: A Dance With Love that I'm quite taken with. It's one of the rarest types of AVNs: a period piece that actually takes itself seriously and also tells a compelling story with good gameplay.
Absolutely -- I share your enthusiasm. There's some craftsmanship at work in this game, under the hood, which is worth your time. It's very early days, but it's worth following.

Jaike will be annoyed that many of the historical allusions are wrong or dubious -- sometimes hilariously so. But it's no worse than quite a lot of so-called 'period' pieces from Hollywood these days, so I can live with it.
 
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I'm always wary of devs taking development cues from the peanut gallery as it suggests they don't have a solid outline in mind and are just going wherever the Patreon sentiment takes them.
That's a very fair concern. I think the dev has a very agreeable disposition and very much wants to please his fans (this NTR exchange gave me a good laugh), but is adhering to some guiding creative principles that he won't diverge from in practice. At least that's what I hope. He has been hit with a lot of not very good suggestions that he isn't incorporating into the game so I think he's fully capable of sticking to his guns when it counts.

I interpreted the bonus ending thing as being a non-canon fan service gift for that particular patron (I can imagine Jaye making a cameo appearance in that one to see the gang off before they set off for Castle Harem), but looking at it again it is concerningly ambiguous. A full harem would definitely make the whole story completely ridiculous. I'll never understand why patrons sometimes seem dead set on ruining the very thing they've decided to support.

Jaike will be annoyed that many of the historical allusions are wrong or dubious -- sometimes hilariously so. But it's no worse than quite a lot of so-called 'period' pieces from Hollywood these days, so I can live with it.
I think the dev was wise to temper expectations of historical accuracy by not including any actual historical figures in the story and inventing a title for the MC. He even seems to be going so far as to create a new royal family -- I wonder if there really will even be a regency in the game world. On the other hand, calling yourself Professor Historian might tend to create expectations in the opposite direction.
 
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There's a new game out called Courtship: A Dance With Love that I'm quite taken with. It's one of the rarest types of AVNs: a period piece that actually takes itself seriously and also tells a compelling story with good gameplay. It is set during the Regency era in British history. The player character, a member of the , has just become the new Marquess of Hollow Hill following the sudden death of his father. He is forced to leave a careless life of pleasure-seeking on the continent behind and assume a role he didn't expect to fill for many years yet. His mother -- a quite formidable and status-conscious matriarch who is most definitely not a LI -- makes it very clear that his first priority must be to marry, and she knows exactly which noble or wealthy ladies he should focus his attention on.

Courtship is quite unusual because of its focus on marriage and the cultural standards of the period it is depicting will hopefully keep it from becoming too porny. Men and women (much like men and men or women and women) do tend to find ways to get together regardless of circumstance or time period, but in the world of the game chaperones keep a watchful eye on young couples, formal events provide opportunities for flirtation but no privacy, and courtship itself is a formalized ritual with intentionally limited room for spontaneous expressions of physical affection. I only ran into one sex scene in several playthroughs, and it was a rather furtive and interrupted blowjob that required some sneaking around to make happen. That said, the MC clearly will have opportunities for premarital and extramarital action -- not all the women in the game are marriage-minded, and he has already mused on the prospect of taking a mistress if he finds himself stuck in a unhappy union.

The LIs and other characters are quite interesting. I found myself at times wishing I could ask them questions or otherwise deviate from the Marquess' often carefully chosen phrasing. Among the standouts in my view are a widowed, plain-speaking duchess who appears to have zero interest in getting remarried, a proper and very sweet young noblewoman who worships her parents and seems to perfectly embody the values of her era but likely has both secrets and other suitors, and the unconventional daughter of a wealthy businessman who is the only commoner the MC's mother approves of as a potential mate (alas, mama probably doesn't know about her exhibitionist tendencies).

There are a fair number of choices in the game for a first chapter, and several have quite interesting ramifications. One of my favorite parts of the game occurs when the MC is attending a private party and must choose who to speak to. Talking to one character will go quite badly if you pick her first because the marquess approaches her in completely the wrong way. If, however, you choose to speak to another character first, he'll give the MC some advice that proves invaluable. The marquess will have a completely different conversation with the woman if you then choose to speak to her.

If you decide to give Courtship a shot, I recommend that you commit to playing it the whole way through. The beginning of the game is less polished than the rest of it and could use some editing...expect a few misspellings and mangled phrases. You may also run into a bug where a kiss that may not have happened gets referenced in a subsequent scene (the dev is aware and this should be fixed in a subsequent release). Additionally, the first LI you meet, Sally, is the romantic option I feel the uneasiest about...she works for the family as a maid so there's definitely a power imbalance there and a sense that the MC may be taking advantage of her if he opts to pursue her. On the other hand, the interest is clearly mutual and I get the feeling there might at least be a path where the marquess decides to to run off with Sally, his mother's and society's opinions be damned.
Interesting. I downloaded Courtship but haven't tried it yet. It does sound promising.
 

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New update of Give me a Sun
A strong update. Really love the backstory of Celeste and Shadow. Also a really, really hot sex scene.
This game gives me such mixed feelings!

On one hand, it's pretty damn unique. An expansive drama surrounding a woman in a polyamorous (not harem!) all-lesbian relationship, set in a world both futuristic and pseudo-medieval? It's really quite amazing. And yeah, Celeste and Meg in the garage was one of the most erotic scenes I've seen in a while. Seriously hot!

On the other hand, there are a bunch of issues I find really annoying. First, the plot is very disorganized. So many people, factions, and locations are name-dropped at random and the game rushes on without a thought, assuming you know what's going on, but I don't, not really. This game desperately needs a codex with extensive descriptions and backstory on everything, along with a family tree of sorts to show how everyone is connected. By itself, this wouldn't be a huge issue, but unfortunately the dev's English is not quite up to task and the sentence structure is messy and pronoun mix-ups are everywhere. So much so that I sometimes struggle to follow who the characters are talking about. Finally, the memes. Oh my god, the stupid fucking memes and pop culture and weeb references. If one more dev inserts F95 scenes into their game thinking it's the epitome of hilarity, I'm going to grab them by the shoulders and shake them violently until whatever tumour that causes this disease gets dislodged from their brain!

Anyway, great game, you all should play it :)
 

realjitter

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This game gives me such mixed feelings!

On one hand, it's pretty damn unique. An expansive drama surrounding a woman in a polyamorous (not harem!) all-lesbian relationship, set in a world both futuristic and pseudo-medieval? It's really quite amazing. And yeah, Celeste and Meg in the garage was one of the most erotic scenes I've seen in a while. Seriously hot!

On the other hand, there are a bunch of issues I find really annoying. First, the plot is very disorganized. So many people, factions, and locations are name-dropped at random and the game rushes on without a thought, assuming you know what's going on, but I don't, not really. This game desperately needs a codex with extensive descriptions and backstory on everything, along with a family tree of sorts to show how everyone is connected. By itself, this wouldn't be a huge issue, but unfortunately the dev's English is not quite up to task and the sentence structure is messy and pronoun mix-ups are everywhere. So much so that I sometimes struggle to follow who the characters are talking about. Finally, the memes. Oh my god, the stupid fucking memes and pop culture and weeb references. If one more dev inserts F95 scenes into their game thinking it's the epitome of hilarity, I'm going to grab them by the shoulders and shake them violently until whatever tumour that causes this disease gets dislodged from their brain!

Anyway, great game, you all should play it :)
I agree with you on all counts here. This game only knows one way and that's forward and onward=) But it's not completely nonsensical or random. As you mentioned, a glossary or something would work wonders here. I mean, witches, the maker, the republic, kingdoms etc, etc. All this stuff i can follow, but that's not where it stops. There are layers and layers of everything :p There is just so much information thrown at the the player all the time. And i'm not even including all the charakter relationships here. That's a whole nother story. It's alot for sure=) I can't believe that someone's sitting there in his basement somewhere trying to make this game happen... It's a bit insane honestly.

That being said, even with all it's problems and all the edginess & neverending pop culture references and whatnot in between. I still think it's pretty impressive how the developer manages to keep all of this glued together somehow. There's alot of stuff to like here in this game. So many details everywhere. I really liked all the character interactions. No monotonous dialouge or rambling...

On top of all that it's also pretty, fucking hot which doesn't hurt of course :p.
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I mean It's nice and all that they're trying to investigate the assault here, but this woman should be arrested on the spot for wearing such an outfit in public! A live long sentence also seems appropiate here :p

Anyways, there's not much left to say other than godspeed for this game. I think its awesome....
This guy can drown me in his, randomly thrown in, metal song lyrics and all the grogu/bender/whatever memes all day long as long he manages to keep his story somehow together. But will he?. I think my comparison when i wrote about it last time still holds true. With this feeling like youre watching a season 2 of something and the game takes it for granted that you're up to speed with everything like it's the most casual thing in the world.

My suggestion for some1 who hasn't read this yet. Drink a big glass of clear water before starting it.. It starts out very innocent, but as soon as someone mentions something about the world..... oh boy...

It kinda has it all, but it's too much for one person to pull off i fear.. I don't care though :p
 

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This game gives me such mixed feelings!

On one hand, it's pretty damn unique. An expansive drama surrounding a woman in a polyamorous (not harem!) all-lesbian relationship, set in a world both futuristic and pseudo-medieval? It's really quite amazing. And yeah, Celeste and Meg in the garage was one of the most erotic scenes I've seen in a while. Seriously hot!

On the other hand, there are a bunch of issues I find really annoying. First, the plot is very disorganized. So many people, factions, and locations are name-dropped at random and the game rushes on without a thought, assuming you know what's going on, but I don't, not really. This game desperately needs a codex with extensive descriptions and backstory on everything, along with a family tree of sorts to show how everyone is connected. By itself, this wouldn't be a huge issue, but unfortunately the dev's English is not quite up to task and the sentence structure is messy and pronoun mix-ups are everywhere. So much so that I sometimes struggle to follow who the characters are talking about. Finally, the memes. Oh my god, the stupid fucking memes and pop culture and weeb references. If one more dev inserts F95 scenes into their game thinking it's the epitome of hilarity, I'm going to grab them by the shoulders and shake them violently until whatever tumour that causes this disease gets dislodged from their brain!

Anyway, great game, you all should play it :)
I hope the dev can get an editor with good English to improve the language issues.

My trouble though is more following the timelines. Too many meanwhiles within flashback within flashback. :)
 

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I can't believe that someone's sitting there in his basement somewhere trying to make this game happen... It's a bit insane honestly. [...] I still think it's pretty impressive how the developer manages to keep all of this glued together somehow.
Exactly! It's like a delicately balanced house of cards and it's a minor miracle it hasn't collapsed yet :)
I mean It's nice and all that they're trying to investigate the assault here, but this woman should be arrested on the spot for wearing such an outfit in public! A live long sentence also seems appropiate here :p
Yeah, everyone's outfits are pure porn. It's as bad as City of Broken Dreamers.
This guy can drown me in his, randomly thrown in, metal song lyrics and all the grogu/bender/whatever memes all day long as long he manages to keep his story somehow together.
See, I'm just not sure I can do the same. I have very low tolerance for this stuff. It's like the dev patting himself on the back saying "hehe, look at me, I'm soo cool and funny!"
I think my comparison when i wrote about it last time still holds true. With this feeling like youre watching a season 2 of something and the game takes it for granted that you're up to speed with everything like it's the most casual thing in the world.
Very apt comparison! I just need a nice codex and maybe a timeline diagram :)
 
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See, I'm just not sure I can do the same. I have very low tolerance for this stuff. It's like the dev patting himself on the back saying "hehe, look at me, I'm soo cool and funny!"
I agree again. But i like to think that it's a mix between a couple of things. Sure he/she likes metal and gaming and such. But maybe it's also a coping mechanism for him/her in order to not to go mad over this=) I mean, i'm not even exaggerating here. If I would start listing all the factions, events, characters, historic events, connections, superpowers, relationships... all of it. Well, that would become a pretty long list as we all know....
 

Raife

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Another newcomer with great potential
The Neverwhere Tales
I agree: NT is promising and worth tracking.

There are a few skeezy bits, as jufot observed... but there's almost nothing 'porny' about the first two chapters. The dialogue was way, way above par -- particularly the scene with the bartender and 'Kevin.'

Thus far, it feels a bit like _Sorcerer_, albeit with hot flirtation and sex scenes.
 
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