Recommending Story-first games

[Hildegardt]

Arthur anyone?=). But that's like another thing I like about the developer. He/she really goes through with all his storylines. There's no half assing anything. When you play the , admittingly fucked up, Arthur route, Ash and Arthur embrace their depravity and ultimately fall for each other in their own twisted ways. Same goes for all the other routes i've played. The developer treats all his/her storylines serious enough to not just end up being simple porn expositions which is interesting and also makes it easier for me to play all these routes.

I mean, is there a lot of half-assed corruption porn out there that makes GGGB stand out from the crowd? All the choices are basically about picking fetishes and there wouldn't really be much to the game, if the good girl doesn't go bad. Even the relatively tame path has the option for an incestuous pregnancy.
That's not to say that a good story could never have wilder/darker fetishes. But I would rather say that GGGB's standout feature is the amount of paths and variations. The writing is very good, because it accounts for the unhinged amounts of branching, but in terms of story I couldn't even concisely summarize the plot tbh.
Like what's even the premise? Is it that rapey guys tempt the PC with drugs? Even there you get the option to never take any drugs.

 

[realjitter]

I mean, is there a lot of half-assed corruption porn out there that makes GGGB stand out from the crowd? All the choices are basically about picking fetishes and there wouldn't really be much to the game, if the good girl doesn't go bad. Even the relatively tame path has the option for an incestuous pregnancy.
That's not to say that a good story could never have wilder/darker fetishes. But I would rather say that GGGB's standout feature is the amount of paths and variations. The writing is very good, because it accounts for the unhinged amounts of branching, but in terms of story I couldn't even concisely summarize the plot tbh.
Like what's even the premise? Is it that rapey guys tempt the PC with drugs? Even there you get the option to never take any drugs.

Well, i'm not saying that either of the games have a particularly good story or anything. They're simple/not so simple slice of life/chose your adventure porn games. I'm just saying that the developer does a good job in portaying it's characters in those storylines. And because of that both GGGB and ORS don't leave a bad taste in my mouth after i'm done playing like other games of this genre sometimes do. But then again, i'd have to play all of GGGB to get a full picture of it and how valid my statement would be after playing it all. For example, in GGGB I haven't done anything with that Vin diesel type of guy or the rapper dude or the transgender lady or her parents and so on and so forth.....

In general, ORS, while still being pretty much porn centric, does a better job when it comes to it's relationships and stories imho while GGGB, as you already mentioned, is a heavily fetishized game which I guess is also the main attraction for most people. Although, in my "canon" run i played the good girl version of Ash which also plays out perfectly fine imo.

And what other corruption games would be comparable to these 2 games anyways who also come along with some decent level of writing and that level of complexity?. I can only think of JOHN since i've played that somewhat recently, but JOHN would already be debatable, in my mind at least. I mean, i'm sure i'm blanking on some obvious titles here, but still...

 

[jufot]

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[bacienvu88]

For example, in GGGB I haven't done anything with that Vin diesel type of guy or the rapper dude or the transgender lady or her parents and so on and so forth.....

Jack (the Vin Diesel type) turns out to actually be a pretty decent guy in his romance route which surprised me quite a bit!

In general, ORS, while still being pretty much porn centric, does a better job when it comes to it's relationships and stories imho while GGGB, as you already mentioned, is a heavily fetishized game which I guess is also the main attraction for most people. Although, in my "canon" run i played the good girl version of Ash which also plays out perfectly fine imo.

I'm not sure I agree that ORS does a better job for relationships and stories. Relationships are pretty good for Ian, but lacking for Lena in my opinion. On the other hand Ian lacks options in the corruption and depravity department. GGGB is more jack of all trades in that sense. While there are a lot of fetishized routes and events, there are multiple options for more wholesome romance as well.

And what other corruption games would be comparable to these 2 games anyways who also come along with some decent level of writing and that level of complexity?. I can only think of JOHN since i've played that somewhat recently, but JOHN would already be debatable, in my mind at least. I mean, i'm sure i'm blanking on some obvious titles here, but still...

What I would like to see is a game similar to ORS/GGGB with male corruption instead of female corruption.

 

[EndlessNights]

What I would like to see is a game similar to ORS/GGGB with male corruption instead of female corruption.

If it ends up getting named Good Boy Gone Bad, that'll get rather confusing. People already often mess up the initialism GGGB by putting in too many or too few Gs so the situation will get even worse when GBGB is a thing.

 

[realjitter]

What I would like to see is a game similar to ORS/GGGB with male corruption instead of female corruption.

Me 2. So why is it that there are no male corruption games?. I mean, are there any that I don't know about?.

Also, GBGB sounds so incredible gay for such a game... Nothing against gay porn, but...

 

[bacienvu88]

Me 2. So why is it that there are no male corruption games?. I mean, are there any that I don't know about?.

Also, GBGB sounds so incredible gay for such a game... Nothing against gay porn, but...

Good Boy Gone Gay

 

[Tlaero]

Me 2. So why is it that there are no male corruption games?. I mean, are there any that I don't know about?.

Back in the day, the entire gameplay and story of Dating Sim games was, "Meet a girl, struggle to convince her to have sex with you, and if you win you get a sex scene. ArianeB did a short comic on "Why there are no female protagonist Dating Sim Games." It went something like this.

Jane says to Frank, "Hey Frank, do you want to have sex?"
Frank says, "What? Yes!"

Would have been a short game.

Tlaero

 

[bacienvu88]

Back in the day, the entire gameplay and story of Dating Sim games was, "Meet a girl, struggle to convince her to have sex with you, and if you win you get a sex scene. ArianeB did a short comic on "Why there are no female protagonist Dating Sim Games." It went something like this.

Jane says to Frank, "Hey Frank, do you want to have sex?"
Frank says, "What? Yes!"

Would have been a short game.

Tlaero

Summer's Gone version:

Jane says to Frank, "Hey Frank, do you want to have sex?"
Frank says, "What? Sorry, can't get it up."

 

[realjitter]

Jane says to Frank, "Hey Frank, do you want to have sex?"
Frank says, "What? Yes!"

So what you're basically saying is that a guy would be a "slut" by default in such a game and the corruption part would be become irrelevant... That sounds a bit grim, not entirly wrong though, but I like to think that you could make a male corruption version work. Not entirely sure how, but.... #giveguyssomecredit

 

[Tlaero]

I mean, I love Ariane, and I found her comic to be funny, but my response was to write Life with Keeley (A female protagonist game).

You could do a male corruption game, but it is unlikely that you'd do one where you convince a single man to have sex. It would need to be something like convincing a guy in a stable relationship to cheat, or something like that. I wouldn't enjoy that, but, maybe someone would.

Tlaero

 

[jufot]

I'm not sure I agree that ORS does a better job for relationships and stories. [...] GGGB is more jack of all trades in that sense. While there are a lot of fetishized routes and events, there are multiple options for more wholesome romance as well.

I don't know. The first time I played GGGB, I set myself a simple rule: Ash is willing to cheat, but only with non-shitty/wholesome girls. That ended up being a terrible bore. The game basically skipped every bit of content

 

[Canto Forte]

That is because, when you look at the cords today, females in social media are narcisistic+
psychopaths+man eaters+antisocial+hate mongers, so anyone today watching or playing a VN
with a girl protag who is having a porn logically twisted mind, they would immediately perceive
a girl who ghosts+bickers+flakes and accuses everyone else of her shortcummings as a shallow minx/cougar/atention whore looking to make others into her sex toys,
which is aggresion and bully attitude.

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There is this game - we were just kids - where female protag is bullied into sex by
girls and boys alike:
The girls are either free use to her- come eat me up cause reasons - or grabbing her for a dildo.
The boys are - me be the only guy for you to fuck, come submit to me - telling her they are doing her a favor.

So at least that game does feature a girl MC whom both guys and girls come for to make her
submit, pretty much like what Lena deals with in ORS.
As opposed to Ian, who is the guy MC in ORS who has to chase tail to get anywhere/one.

The fact is, girls on the hunt for hunks are a real thing, as guys who have more money
than they know what to do with are used to not actually engage with the broke ass girls looking to
wed them and drain their will to live.

There is this game, Impious Monk develops, where the guy MC actively rejected all females
the whole duration of the game so far, going as far as friendzoning his own GF to the point
she had to put an end to their relationship because he was that passive, not treating her
as a life mate, but rather using her as some childhood friend he is whatever about.

Girls who break the hearts of Forrest Gump sweet pure boys do exist.
A female MC who is looking to corrupt a pure soul as that,
where the whole game the male Li would have such a big heart he would
rezist corruption and give himself fully to this girl while inadvertently pushing away
all her sexual advances while at the same time doing the sweetest most romantic full hearted
gestures to show her how devoted and head over heels he is for her,
it would make for a fun wholesome game.

 

[Hildegardt]

So what you're basically saying is that a guy would be a "slut" by default in such a game and the corruption part would be become irrelevant... That sounds a bit grim, not entirly wrong though, but I like to think that you could make a male corruption version work. Not entirely sure how, but.... #giveguyssomecredit

Picking up all the side characters along the way seems pretty standard for male protag AVNs of every kind. I don't think anyone even sees this as a specific fetish anymore. In comparison fem protag corruption games usually have a lot of teasing in the beginning and don't even let you get the boy.

To me it seems like the male protag equivalent of corruption games are cuckold and humiliation games, probably because we live in a society. I can't think of any good ones on the level of GGGB, though.

 

[Canto Forte]

There is this game star periphery
- totally futa and totally male MC getting it everywhere form everyone.
Corruption is basically abusing him for various reasons, most of which are him being
down on his luck and returning the hand outs with his services of taking it up the .......

 

[realjitter]

To me it seems like the male protag equivalent of corruption games are cuckold and humiliation games

That's probably true

Picking up all the side characters along the way seems pretty standard for male protag AVNs of every kind. I don't think anyone even sees this as a specific fetish anymore.

But it is. It even developed into it's own, AVN exclusive, fetish called Harem. Which is still the weirdest thing to me outside of full on porn games. It kinda became a default tag if you look at the majority of games out there which is kinda ludicrous to me.

 

[bacienvu88]

I mean, I love Ariane, and I found her comic to be funny, but my response was to write Life with Keeley (A female protagonist game).

You could do a male corruption game, but it is unlikely that you'd do one where you convince a single man to have sex. It would need to be something like convincing a guy in a stable relationship to cheat, or something like that. I wouldn't enjoy that, but, maybe someone would.

Tlaero

How those male-corruption games usually go is by ending up somewhere in the femdom-feminisation-sissification-cuckoldry zone, unless it's a gay or bi game. So aiming at the MC's masculinity instead of just pushing him into sex.

But there is so much more possibilities to corruption. I mean, in GGGB Ash can become a Gang boss which isn't related to sex at all. Then there are things like being porn star or camboy, becoming a pimp and so on.

There could be stuff like involuntary exhibitionism. Blackmail / coercion into doing stuff he doesn't like. For example he could be coerced into seducing the wife of his best friend and ruining that friendship. Or coerced to sleep with his boss (think a worse version of Ian's boss in ORS). For a "one woman man", just cheating on his girlfriend/wife is also a form of corruption.

But I guess it is the same problem as with other stuff we complain about in this thread: Porn games and AVN's are too formulaic and too many of those who create the games are afraid to break the mold.

I don't know. The first time I played GGGB, I set myself a simple rule: Ash is willing to cheat, but only with non-shitty/wholesome girls. That ended up being a terrible bore. The game basically skipped every bit of content

Eh, just get Ash to break up with Eric at the start so you don't have to worry about cheating. But I agree the lesbian routes are a bit under-developed. But even if Ash is a bore you can have Eva become depraved instead.

 

[Hildegardt]

But it is. It even developed into it's own, AVN exclusive, fetish called Harem. Which is still the weirdest thing to me outside of full on porn games. It kinda became a default tag if you look at the majority of games out there which is kinda ludicrous to me.

Yeah, but it's not just the harem games. It's like every AVN is expected to have dating sim elements, to the point where the tag basically became redundant. Even if you're not collecting harem members, you still get to play the field, most of the time with a dubious understanding of what cheating entails.

 

[boobsrcool]

There is this game - we were just kids - where female protag is bullied into sex by
girls and boys alike:
The girls are either free use to her- come eat me up cause reasons - or grabbing her for a dildo.
The boys are - me be the only guy for you to fuck, come submit to me - telling her they are doing her a favor.

seems like an interesting game with good renders but what an unfortunate title

 

[bacienvu88]

But it is. It even developed into it's own, AVN exclusive, fetish called Harem. Which is still the weirdest thing to me outside of full on porn games. It kinda became a default tag if you look at the majority of games out there which is kinda ludicrous to me.

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comes from Japanese media (manga, anime, light novels, games) and is by no means unique to AVN's. Really common in webnovels as well.