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- The intoxicating flavour

Game gave me some strong ** vibes so I pussed out after like 15 minutes....
Yeah, that is a big turn off for an otherwise good AVN. I assume you are referring to the younger sister of that family that is justified by her having some sort of stunted growth and she is 18 really but coincidentally she not only looks younger, she behaves like she is younger as well. :rolleyes:
 
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It sucks so fucking much that developers are asked to justify why they don't want to do incest. The brother and sister get along well, sure, but how is that sexual passion? Like seriously, wtf? How is it "wrong" to write a close sibling relationship without it being sexual?
From your answer you made it clear that you don't like incest as you completely ignored the real (in my opinion) problem (or maybe I didn't express myself correctly, and if that's the case, I'm sorry, English is not my native language). But the question was not whether or not there was incest. Is that why he put that scene in the game? I agree with you that throughout the game they are just siblings who get along well and that's precisely why this scene surprised me, and I'm sorry, but this scene is not a close relationship between siblings, her friend is saying that: the sister wanted the brother as her boyfriend.

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This doesn't fit the story so far. Unless he uses it as an excuse, like I said above. And that, yes, is the real problem. Using forbidden love or romantic disappointment as an excuse for someone's bi/homosexuality. That's not how things work. Bi/homosexuals in general don't choose to be this way, they simply are. And I know this from life experience, following my younger brother since he was little. He's always been like this and it's okay. And don't get me wrong, this hasn't even happened in the game yet. But this scene is so strangely placed there, that it seems to me like it was something the developer forgot to change.
 
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I'm sorry, but this scene is not a close relationship between siblings, her friend is saying that: the sister wanted the brother as her boyfriend. [...] This doesn't fit the story so far. Unless he uses it as an excuse, like I said above. And that, yes, is the real problem. Using forbidden love or romantic disappointment as an excuse for someone's bi/homosexuality. That's not how things work.
I didn't take that as any sort of commentary on bisexuality. That scene just read like a cute, childish memory to me. Like, when my brother (who is gay) was little, he would say he wanted to grow up and marry our mum one day and was heartbroken when he realized that's not how things work. No one has ever taken it as anything more than a funny story we like to embarrass him with :)
 

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Yeah, that is a big turn off for an otherwise good AVN. I assume you are referring to the younger sister of that family that is justified by her having some sort of stunted growth and she is 18 really but coincidentally she not only looks younger, she behaves like she is younger as well. :rolleyes:
Yup, I was like "Oh look, they have a little child, how adorable..". I mean, she looks like 15 or something and talks like a 12 yo. Stunted growth.., that's like the dumbest explanation you could come up with imo. Even the cops would laugh about it out of sheer pityness.
 
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I didn't take that as any sort of commentary on bisexuality. That scene just read like a cute, childish memory to me. Like, when my brother (who is gay) was little, he would say he wanted to grow up and marry our mum one day and was heartbroken when he realized that's not how things work. No one has ever taken it as anything more than a funny story we like to embarrass him with :)
I would agree if she was a child, but according to the scene it was when she got drunk for the first time. Which I can't imagine a child doing. Either way, for me the scene is lost in the middle of the story. I still believe it's something the developer forgot to change. But I'm really enjoying the story. Despite the little impact of the choices.
 

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Beyond Tomorrow could be a good first story game in the future. But right now there are few choices and you don't have any choices that change the story. The relationships are already formed and for now you have no choice to change that.

It's also strange to me that incest is in the avoided tags. There is a clear interest/passion between the sister and her brother, mentioned in a memory. Why did the author put something like that? Maybe to “justify” why the sister is currently dating another woman? Because of that forbidden love? Using this is wrong in my opinion, even for me who doesn't really like games with female/lesbian protagonists.
Bro, where did you see a clear interest/passion between siblings in this game? Of course, there is a lot of affection between them, and his sister teased him a few times, such as their conversation on phone messenger when he offered her to have a pizza and she responded with something like, “You're going on a date with a girl like me and all you can do is invite me for pizza?" But this obvious joke is obvious. And he just played along in this humorous dialogue. But I don't see the slightest hint of any sexual relationship between them, it's only affection and love between brother and sister. The dev repeated multiple times that there will be no incest between the MC and his sis/mom.
 
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Bro, where did you see a clear interest/passion between siblings in this game? Of course, there is a lot of affection between them, and his sister teased him a few times, such as their conversation on phone messenger when he offered her to have a pizza and she responded with something like, “You're going on a date with a girl like me and all you can do is invite me for pizza?" But this obvious joke is obvious. And he just played along in this humorous dialogue. But I don't see the slightest hint of any sexual relationship between them, it's only affection and love between brother and sister. The dev repeated multiple times that there will be no incest between the MC and his sis/mom.
I answered this above. And the question is precisely, why add a scene like this, it doesn't fit the story.

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I answered this above. And the question is precisely, why add a scene like this, it doesn't fit the story.

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Interesting, although I don't see any hint here of the serious feelings Olivia still retains for Dylan. Just a curious moment from their past, a childish nonsense, as important as her first hangover. And it was shown in the context of Liv and Sam's trip down memory lane, reminiscing about their shared happy childhood and laughing at funny moments of their lives.
 
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Did read a couple of AVN's

- Simple beginnings

Hard to talk about this one. It seems to be a story first game, but you can't really tell what the story's actually going to be about. Her sister went missing... aaaaand that's basically it. You get some small story snippets here and there, but it's weird. It's supposed to have supernatural and horror elements somewhere down the line, but... we'll see I guess. Maybe?, Eventually?

Maybe this is a case for inspector Jufot to take over :p


- Dreamland

I mean, if you have a weird sense of humor, this is a pure goldmine. Right from the beginning up until the very end it's.., it's something else :p. Here are some of my personal highlights...

- Alex sitting on the shitter
- The MC getting caught by his grandma, jerking off
- The northern lights
- The oversized, unmissable collectables
- Mei wanting to buy condoms
- Summer reminiscing over the MC's cock
- Summer wanting to do a lingerie shoot in the middle of the woods..
- All the conversations about chili.... (including chili related branching)
- Lea threatening the MC to cut his dick off if he'd ever betray her....
- And a million things more

Alright look, if this game would turn into a classic "teen" slasher/horror AVN, all of this would make sense. The characters, the dialogue, just everything. I mean, c'mon now, Summer getting beheaded or something during her lingerie shoot would be a perfect way to kick things off imo. You could even make some cheap summer's gone joke along the way.. But it's an AVN and that's all there is to say about this.... No fun ever!

Well, other than that, I suppose it works out fine as a pure porn game since it has good animations and all that, but...


- The intoxicating flavour

Game gave me some strong ** vibes so I pussed out after like 15 minutes....
https://f95zone.to/threads/dreamland-v0-2-6-dokiden.135723/ thisi s the dreamland?
 

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Alright look, if this game would turn into a classic "teen" slasher/horror AVN, all of this would make sense.
Does such a thing exist? Whispering Pines made me really want to play some more slasher story VNs, but it seems to be almost completely unique in that regard.

It feels like mixing a Scream style mystery / horror and an AVN would be such a natural pairing, but apparently not.
 

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Damn, now I want to play an AVN in the Scream universe :)
Ha! I posted that before I even saw this response.

I also really want this. Even started a thread about that months ago, looking for games that would fill this need, and didn't get many responses (https://f95zone.to/threads/good-murder-mystery-horror-slasher-games.155192/)

For anyone looking for a good horror / mystery game that hasn't already played it, I recommend in the strongest possible terms Kara No Shojo (https://f95zone.to/threads/kara-no-shojo-v1-04-innocent-grey.1515/), which just also had a new recent remake, weirdly retitled as "The Shell: Part I: Inferno", which is on Steam but apparently hasn't been put on here yet. I think it's basically the same version as the above link, but now officially released in English.

That game is phenomenal, as it's sequel (the third hasn't been translated yet so I haven't played it), and I'm basically always looking for its equal but I've never found it yet.
 
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Ooh, also, I was reading through this thread a lot last night and was really impressed by the quality of discussion.

One such discussion involved someone saying that more VNs should have the balls to kill off love interests in the sake of the story. If you want that type of thing to be possible, again, I recommend Kara No Shojo. It's all about the story there. If you want a happy go lucky story where everything is bound to turn out great, Kara No Shojo is not for you.
 

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It sucks so fucking much that developers are asked to justify why they don't want to do incest. The brother and sister get along well, sure, but how is that sexual passion? Like seriously, wtf? How is it "wrong" to write a close sibling relationship without it being sexual?
This is interesting to me. My next actual game is called "Gemini," so it shouldn't be terribly surprising that it's about two siblings. The thought of them being romantically linked never even entered my mind. I guess I should mentally prepare for all of the people who are going to flood the thread with "WTF, you called it Gemini, so it's obviously an incest game!"

I find it weird that so many people on F95 think that, because they found a thread here, then the developer must have written it for F95. Not to mention them thinking that there's only one kind of thing possible on F95.

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Damn reaction limit (y)
Damn, now I want to play an AVN in the Scream universe :)
Yeah, that game gave me the same vibes. There was another unknown voyeur in the forest besides horny Alice's teenage brother, right? And the missing girls fotos at the gas station...
But surprisingly, most of the people I talked to didn't like the game. At least in its current state. Yeah, it's eye candy and all, but they found writing almost cringy, especially those "meta-jokes", like when AVN characters discussing the AVN game inside the AVN game, or when Alex scolds at MC, and asking him do he think he is the main character in some novel.
Strange swings in the characters of the girls, such as Danielle, who from the very first appearance behaves like a little slut, but suddenly demands from the MC full commitment to her, otherwise she will cut his balls if she catches him with another girl. Summer, who suddenly wants a photo session in her lingerie in the middle of the forest :)
Some girls are too clingy from the very beginning and are exaggeratedly offended if the MC looks at others. I don’t know, I like the game overall and I relate these shortcomings to the teenage nature of the characters, they are horny teenagers and act according to this.
It sucks so fucking much that developers are asked to justify why they don't want to do incest. The brother and sister get along well, sure, but how is that sexual passion? Like seriously, wtf? How is it "wrong" to write a close sibling relationship without it being sexual?
Yeah, an MC has relatives, which means there must be incest. If there is no incest, then why make his mother and sister so beautiful? This makes some sense if you came to watch porn and suddenly found a story-based game with porn elements and you hate this kind of VN. Well, that's a bummer for you then :)

The only thing they say that I can accept as relatively valid criticism is that the dev made changes to some scenes after backlash on the thread, but left scenes they didn't like or didn't add content they wanted. Consequently, he picks favorites and ignores the rest. But it seems to me the opposite. He is open to the criticism and is willing to listen to the user's opinion, but he sticks to his vision of the game and will not change the things that he believes the entire plot rests on.

So he removed the trans scene (actually a couple of images) which was intended as a little joke during a conversation between two friends, but caused a lot of misunderstanding and misattribution of the game as trans/futa content, or the sexual scene with Sam (the MC's girlfriend) right after he tells her bad news about his mother’s health, which was clearly inappropriate in this situation.

But that’s all, and he still refuses to add incest to the plot or remove his sister’s memories of her love story with another girl, and this infuriates some of the audience. They don't want to believe the developer's claims that these are actually important plot elements in his story, and apparently think he's just trying to annoy them. But all they achieved with their attacks was that the developer left this site, and we lost one of the direct ways to communicate with him.
 
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No I haven't, I assume she's going to be one of the other patients there?. Of course with an easy going, light hearted story attached to her :p



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But no, I chose reason here because she didn't strike me as that kind of a girl.
Yeah, I looked at all three choices and chose not to move forward with the worst case scenario.
 
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