Recommending Story-first games

[Hildegardt]

Not sure if she counts as a loli but was borderline one at least.

So, for example, instead of sodomizing to death a man with a baseball bat, you limit it to gut him out like a pig...

I can't really enjoy games with loli. My whole being feels revolted by it. The fact that I didn't get those feelings in Little Regina, is a testament to how not childish Foxy acts. Young, yes, but child, no.

God damn it, camube. I can only echo realjitter. The fuck happened to this thread?

 

[FatGiant]

There you go: https://f95zone.to/threads/the-last-sovereign-v0-73-4-sierra-lee.616/


I know. I'm conflicted because the story is focused on using sex to gain power to develop the MC's mission in the game, so as I said you can't remove the sex without affecting the story.

However, the way it is structured is logical and despite being an imposed condition (because of the premise) no love interest is forced into you (maybe except for the first one).

The MC does not look (actually is more reluctant, and even tries to avoid it) to have a harem, and getting one is the result of the whole context of the story. The LIs are not attracted to a magical penis, and they do not lose their personalities after finally giving in to being with him.

It has a fantastic story, very human (within the context of the game), and I loved how each character is developed.

If there were voting, I'd say The Last Sovereign deserves at least an honorific mention here, and I'd 100% agree on having it on the "official" list.

Strictly going by the Tags, you wouldn't caught me playing that. So, even your glowing reviews, mean very little in the face of that.

Sorry, but several of those are on my "Not in a million years" list.

Peace

 

[365 others]

Strictly going by the Tags, you wouldn't caught me playing that. So, even your glowing reviews, mean very little in the face of that.

Sorry, but several of those are on my "Not in a million years" list.

Peace

Oh, I forgot about the tags. Yes, it has some of the forbidden ones.
I'm a bit more flexible, and usually, as long as I can avoid them in the cannon story I can overlook past them to enjoy the rest.

But given how strongly you feel about it, I don't think this one is for you.

There are at least 2 NTR scenes you cannot avoid by any means, and even if they are short and well-written, there is no way for the player to avoid them, so... yeah, I don't think it is for you.

 

[Dessolos]

lol I always forget about last Sovereign I see the name once in awhile. Still need to play it and try it. Boy it has alot of tags lol good thing tags mean nothing to me since i'll play anything until I see something I don't like. I don't even look at tags other than to see if it has a harem or not cause im not always in mood for a harem. i need to be in the mood to play a harem as find most harems are hit or miss more often miss if I enjoy them.

 

[raynarnab]

lol I always forget about last Sovereign I see the name once in awhile. Still need to play it and try it. Boy it has alot of tags lol good thing tags mean nothing to me since i'll play anything until I see something I don't like. I don't even look at tags other than to see if it has a harem or not cause im not always in mood for a harem. i need to be in the mood to play a harem as find most harems are hit or miss more often miss if I enjoy them.

I will warn you the prologue plays like a very typical terrible porn game. But then flips it around. It is a slight spoiler but a worthwhile one to mention because people get a very wrong idea about the game based on the prologue.

 

[Birdnman993]

I have, and I also agree with you on most of your points.
However, I went for the "nice" path on Little Regina, and I have to say that the difference is not that much... it changes mostly how intense is the scene you are playing.

So, for example, instead of sodomizing to death a man with a baseball bat, you limit it to gut him out like a pig... but it still is not like you become Mother Theresa and start a forgiving journey by choosing not to let MC's inner monster out.

Earlier this week somebody posted something about a game needing awesome renders for having support, and I think this would be a good example of a game that does not have them, yet still has good support from the community.

The renders/art are average at best, but the story is so good (IMHO) that I oversee that detail because I enjoy the story very much.

One thing that I also love from that game is precisely what I criticized the most from FiN: The MC does evolve by interacting with the several women around him (note I don't say LIs as there are several that are not love interests yet they play an important role in the story). It has a main arc that evolves regardless of the sex scenes (which are very few).

The way the MC gets involved in the relationships with the women around him is also different. While having a common approach (being protective) each situation is different and he addresses each case differently.

I also appreciated that it is one of the few games where any other male than MC is not evil, stupid, gay, impotent, or a combination of the former. There is at least another male there that "gets some" without raping, blackmailing, or having to resort to any corrupt actions, and (to my disappointment) the girl he gets is not even a LI.

There are still a few elements from the story that could use some polishing, but they do not affect the overall direction or the storytelling.

Anyway, that's one of the games I do not wait for 2 or 3 releases to play again, and I keep up to date with its releases.

I took a look at it and you made it look better than it is, the elections are a joke, there are only like 4 before chapter 4 and it boils down to not so bad or very bad, but what bothers me the most is that we have to have than having an affair with the girl in the story, what happens to sociopath murderers with minors? and the girl is also a potential psychopath, it's like in Blackheart Hotel but at least here we only kill bad people, which is the only redeeming point I give to the title.

 

[365 others]

I took a look at it and you made it look better than it is, the elections are a joke, there are only like 4 before chapter 4 and it boils down to not so bad or very bad, but what bothers me the most is that we have to have than having an affair with the girl in the story, what happens to sociopath murderers with minors? and the girl is also a potential psychopath, it's like in Blackheart Hotel but at least here we only kill bad people, which is the only redeeming point I give to the title.

I never said that you had a "good" choice to make there, nor that this was a choice-driven story. I even pointed out that the "good" choice was just a bit more tamed than the other, and the result of both is the same (killing the bad guy), just changing how sadistic the method is.

As per the LIs... I can understand why people don't buy Foxy's role in it. Honestly? I don't quite like her either, but the discomfort she brings is far outweighed by the rest of the cast in the story. She is also required to be able to get to Christa (my favorite one) and Amira.

I could also point out some other holes or points in the plot that could use some polishing/refining, but still, overall I like the story and how all the characters evolve from getting to know each other.

 

[Birdnman993]

I never said that you had a "good" choice to make there, nor that this was a choice-driven story. I even pointed out that the "good" choice was just a bit more tamed than the other, and the result of both is the same (killing the bad guy), just changing how sadistic the method is.

In the description of the game it says that there are actions and consequences, which is why I point it out.

 

[camube]

God damn it, camube. I can only echo realjitter. The fuck happened to this thread?

Recommend me good stories to read.
A good story is a good story.

I can't really enjoy games with loli. My whole being feels revolted by it. The fact that I didn't get those feelings in Little Regina, is a testament to how not childish Foxy acts. Young, yes, but child, no.

Peace

Not sure if she counts as a loli but was borderline one at least.

I think it does. It is trying to sell to the loli crowd.

First off, the dev can name the town anything but he chose to name it with the word "Little" and "Regina". While there is actually a town name Regina, the dev doesn't have to pair it the word "Little". Or doesn't have to use a word that is usually a female name.

Secondly, the Jessie character is a soccer athlete. Making her has a very long hair and style it in a twin tail is not pragmatic. It would be more believable if Jessie has short hair, the shorter the better cuz she's already disadvantaged due to her diminutive size.

There are ways to make short height character doesn't look like they're under 20. Like Leaving DNA teacher character, though initially in Episode 1 looks like a teenager too, I think the dev tried to change that in future episodes. Honey Select in particular, is good for making characters with short height.

I don't know if it's a problem with DAZ or it's a deliberate choice by the developers but, whether it's Bare Witness baby atrocity at Episode 5, Leaving DNA's teacher character, or this Regina game soccer player character, all of them doesn't look like an adult with short height to me. They just look like kids.

I just gloss over those aspects, it is what it is.

Another example where I gloss over things would be Game of Hearts. I would like it so much more if 90% of the game is not about the MC's meticulous sexual actions with the female characters.
Thankfully the dev makes the intimate events have stats so we at least can use our head a bit on choosing actions that would increase stats. There's a gameplay to it.

I would read anything written by Game of Hearts writer cuz he's good at painting with words, and also cinematography. I want to see the progress of Game of Hearts main story and if I have to gloss over the Meredith, Meredith, Meredith scenes to get to it, that's just a price to pay.

I tried Little Regina but ended up dropping it. I didn't like the forced romance with the MC and foxy think that's her name.

Opposite to that, I like it more when games doesn't make me choose meaningless choices and instead just tell the story.

I like to make choices if it matters. If it doesn't matter and the writer has something to say, I like it more when they just move it along.
So I don't really mind when a game makes the MC like some character by default.

So, for example, instead of sodomizing to death a man with a baseball bat, you limit it to gut him out like a pig...

I haven't reach the baseball bat part. Looking forward to play that this weekend.

Earlier this week somebody posted something about a game needing awesome renders for having support, and I think this would be a good example of a game that does not have them, yet still has good support from the community.

Regina only has 40 paying members. Noping is still correct.
The fact that it has discussions on F95 means little if it doesn't convert to financial support for the dev.

I also appreciated that it is one of the few games where any other male than MC is not evil, stupid, gay, impotent, or a combination of the former.

This is one of my issue with AVN too.

It reduces my engagement a bit when the male friend character of the MC has no life. Cuz the world of the story feels less alive.
I dislike the fact that in AVN usually the male friend of the MC has no life of his own. He's just a "support" for the MC that is chained by "no NTR whatsoever" promise from the dev.

It doesn't make a realistic story when people are restricted from doing things. People have lives. Just because we read the story from the MC perspective, doesn't mean his friend shouldn't be able to date around.
That's why I like games like The Last Challenge (even though it's actually too early to say) cuz the male friend of the MC has his own life, or even better than TLC, Our Red String has 3 male friends of the MC that each has their own life. One of them being a nerd that doesn't get a lot of actions.

The closer a game is to being consistent to the world it sets into, the better it is for me.
And if it sets in the real world and in college at that, it takes me out if one, other people doesn't have lives, two, everyone fall for the MC in one playthrough.

I like the way writers like Noping do it with No Such Luck. If you make the MC behaves a certain way, only then will a person be attracted to the MC. That makes more sense to me and that was initially why I like BaDIK, before it turned into minigames galore.

I'm not opposed to minigames but the minigames is not even good. It's just a busy time waste.

I do think part of the storytelling that is enjoyable is that it takes this trope and really deconstructs it in the story. He isn't power hungry to have sex with others, infact it makes you feel for characters whose literal name is Qum. In fact that character is one of the sweetest characters in the story, to the point you will fight to protect her innocence. I think the Last sovereign does adult stories in a way that I enjoy, sex is considered a positive but not gratuitous way. I don't think there are many stories that have impacted me the same way as the world building in this story.

Ofcourse for people that want a story, this is not for them. There is heavy gameplay elements that is not everyone's cup of tea.

Yeah Last Sovereign and Demon Roots are two RPGM games that I am very looking forward to try one day. Maybe 2-3 years from now.
I like renpy cuz it's low time commitment. Most renpy AVNs are not that long, that's a plus.

While compare to that, whether it's Unity or RPGM, it takes more commitment to play them because the gameplay aspects adds to playing time. RPGM is RPG and RPG takes time. I do very much want to read those 2 games though, cuz I've heard praises of Last Sovereign writer.

 

[365 others]

In the description of the game it says that there are actions and consequences, which is why I point it out.

But there are consequences. The way MC behaves from some of these decisions onwards change, as well as the way the relationships with other characters develop based on his decisions.

Still, you won't find a decision where he makes a choice and you branch out an entirely different argument, no.

I haven't reach the baseball bat part. Looking forward to play that this weekend.

You're up for quite a scene.

Regina only has 40 paying members. Noping is still correct.
The fact that it has discussions on F95 means little if it doesn't convert to financial support for the dev.

You're right about that. I was thinking more about the sense of having a community invested in the game but forgot to think about the money aspect.

 

[Dessolos]

Opposite to that, I like it more when games doesn't make me choose meaningless choices and instead just tell the story.

I like to make choices if it matters. If it doesn't matter and the writer has something to say, I like it more when they just move it along.
So I don't really mind when a game makes the MC like some character by default.

Depending on the game I typically don't have a hard stance on forced LI like others but in Little Regina it's different for me. It pretty much boils down to the romance between the forced LI makes me uncomfortable for whatever reason. I think it's cause she is a loli not sure tho. I will say what I did play of it did seem like it was done good but unlike a game ive been slowly playing Game of Hearts. I just cant get into that game at all and forcing myself to slowly playthrough it because im more interested in the whole demon storyline. While Meredith isn't done poorly for being forced on the MC at the same time it's done in a way that makes me lose interest rather quickly. Maybe it's because up to the point ive played so far it's more about her problems and inner conflict and kind of feels a bit awkward. Then the other older lady forget her name ( not Julia) is forced with little to no character building so far. Tho maybe things will improve as I play more as I heard good things about it but idk not impressed so far lol.

 

[jufot]

God damn it, @camube. I can only echo @realjitter. The fuck happened to this thread?

Yeah, it's become a shitshow. For the first time in this thread's 3 year history, I'm inclined to update the rules in OP with these additions:

- No sexualization of minors. No games that have - or should have - loli/shota tags.
- No non-consentual sexual violence intended for titillation.

The second one would cover a lot of the recent shitshow and wouldn't hurt games like Alpha/Omega. Thoughts?

 

[365 others]

Yeah, it's become a shitshow. For the first time in this thread's 3 year history, I'm inclined to update the rules in OP with these additions:

- No sexualization of minors. No games that have - or should have - loli/shota tags.
- No non-consentual sexual violence intended for titillation.

The second one would cover a lot of the recent shitshow and wouldn't hurt games like Alpha/Omega. Thoughts?

I'm not sure it would have the desired effect. The commenters would still be able to propose games even if they had elements outside of the desired criteria.

Games I've already played that - IMHO - mostly fit the above criteria, in alphabetical order: (last updated April 2024)

Moreover, in the OP the door for exceptions is still open, and I'm guessing you're aiming to prevent discussions over games such as FiN and Little Regina to happen rather than banning players to propose games.

Edit: I agree with both additions, but I'd be more concerned about how would it work when there have been discussions on games that don't meet the criteria.

 

[FatGiant]

Thoughts?

100% agreed.

 

[noping123]

Yeah, it's become a shitshow. For the first time in this thread's 3 year history, I'm inclined to update the rules in OP with these additions:

- No sexualization of minors. No games that have - or should have - loli/shota tags.
- No non-consentual sexual violence intended for titillation.

The second one would cover a lot of the recent shitshow and wouldn't hurt games like Alpha/Omega. Thoughts?

The 2nd one I personally care a lot less about. It's not something I would ever enjoy, produce, or support - but I don't have too many serious issues with it simply existing. (provided its strictly in a fictional sense of course).

The first one otoh, I have serious issues with it even existing, never mind being discussed. There's more than a couple devs on my personal blacklist exactly for producing that sort of stuff.

 

[Beduin123]

Thoughts?

Sorry. I cannot approve mind policing and kink shaming on the site like this.
Otherwise it will turn into another bland and vegetarian Reddit.

 

[moskyx]

It won't matter anyway, those themes aren't banned in the forum's rules and Jufot can not moderate this thread, deleting comments he doesn't approve. If people wanted to discuss those game in here, all we could do is just not engage. Now that he has expressed his views on those games, we the regulars can be understanding enough to not even bring them here in the first place, but we can not force others to follow suit.

 

[Dessolos]

I feel like I have a mixed view on non con stuff. If it's not the MC doing it I don't care as long as it has a story telling purpose even if it's poorly done or executed. But maybe cause I don't play for lewds so I don't see this as a kink or anything for me. When it's the MC doing it I hate yet I'm also a bit of a hypocrite here cause I have played 1 game with this type of content tho with heavy use of the ctrl skip button. As curiosity got the better of me. So for me context matters when it comes to this type of content.

As far as loli's are concerned if they are avoidable as a LI or a character with no sexual content I can maybe play said game. But otherwise yeah it's a hard pass for me on this one. Just makes me feel to damn uncomfortable it's why I dropped Little Regina. So I think if they are avoidable and only maybe 1 maybe 2 characters at most I can still consider it story first for me. As then I don't think it would be using them as a selling point of the game entirely it just depends on the context and how it's done imo. Tho I only tried to play 1 game with one so maybe im wrong here.

 

[jufot]

For years, this thread has been a mostly peaceful place full of like-minded people. We never used to have people arguing the merits of rape games and how it doesn't really count because it's an optional patch and not what the dev really wants

I just don't want the thread to turn into a cesspool like every other part of this forum. Surely that's not too much to ask. So please, if you want to discuss these kinds of unsavoury games, use literally any other thread, or just start your own.

 

[Beduin123]

I don't expect anyone here to understand, but, people that go that far into this type of "content" are way, way, way, out of any type of normalcy. They need treatment.

Are you sure you should visit this site. Because at least 90% of content here can fall under your description from a normy's point of view.
Like incest, for example, which is the most common trope here. Do you think it corresponds to your definition of "normalcy"? Or pornography in general, for this matter?