Recommending Story-first games

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jufot

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I find it refreshing that not everything needs to be slow burn. Sometimes a girl knows what she wants and just go after it.

I find it quite normal that a sexually active 18 year old girl goes after someone she has had the hots for for years. (and yes, I find "mute" and "pre-pubescent looking" to be entirely irrelevant here). The only anomaly is that that someone is her bro/sis. And her method may be a bit eccentric.

Jada probably have encouraged Ellie to go after MC as well.
Fair enough, different tastes for different folks. Though I would say the pre-pubescent looking girl is "18", not 18 ;)

Just thought of another one, Revamped Bloodline, if you don't mind HTML games with photos. Maybe University of Problems if you reject the redheads who throw themselves at you (or maybe that will be explained later, idk). It will probably lead to 'penalties' if you pursue all the ladies.
I'll at least check out the first one, thanks!
 
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I suppose my game would fit here, but the story reason for sex will be revealed a bit later. :HideThePain:
 
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This turned out to be a brilliant recommendation, thank you! I loved the main game and all three side stories. It takes ancient Greek and pagan mythology and thoroughly shits on them, but in a very entertaining sort of way :D
Yeah this one in my opinion the best written fantasy VN yet great dev too but due to personal issues the updates are very slow I hope he keeps continuing to update rather than abandoning it like a lot of devs do I wish he could work on it full time but without supports it's a luxury not a lot of devs can afford.


This one has such rave reviews, I decided to give it a shot. It starts with a prominent disclaimer that all sexual content depicted is consensual and then, literally in the opening scene, MC rapes a girl. I mean... wow.
I don't know if forcing someone to blow you is considered rape
But it's set in a dystopian settings so it is to be expected but later in the story the same girl admits that she wanted it

But anyway check these out too if you want to
Medieval and fantasy mixed plot
https://f95zone.to/threads/esteria-ch-5-royal-games.70104/
Crime Thriller and a not your average good protagonist
https://f95zone.to/threads/secrets-of-whispering-pines-day-2-blackheart-games.86022/
Sci-fi not sure if you would like it but i enjoyed it even though not a lot of main plot is present
https://f95zone.to/threads/happenstance-v1-90-undertow-games.24547/
Psychological undertone with humor
https://f95zone.to/threads/derealization-v0-0-2-greenish-purple.82027/
Fantasy
https://f95zone.to/threads/locked-away-ep-3p2-bitter-strawman.25358/
https://f95zone.to/threads/queens-curse-ch-1-v0-5-3r3ct.31087/
 
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Yeah this one in my opinion the best written fantasy VN yet great dev too but due to personal issues the updates are very slow I hope he keeps continuing to update rather than abandoning it like a lot of devs do I wish he could work on it full time but without supports it's a luxury not a lot of devs can afford.
Damn, I didn't know that. Hope he can resolve those issues, I'm feeling very invested in the story :)

I don't know if forcing someone to blow you is considered rape
Rape is non-consensual sex, not limited to PIV. At least in Western countries.

later in the story the same girl admits that she wanted it
That's exactly the kind of bullshit porn logic I'd like to avoid :) Besides, I've played it for about an hour and the game has tons of rape-y and non-consensual stuff, it's not for me.

But anyway check these out too if you want to
Medieval and fantasy mixed plot
https://f95zone.to/threads/esteria-ch-5-royal-games.70104/
Crime Thriller and a not your average good protagonist
https://f95zone.to/threads/secrets-of-whispering-pines-day-2-blackheart-games.86022/
Sci-fi not sure if you would like it but i enjoyed it even though not a lot of main plot is present
https://f95zone.to/threads/happenstance-v1-90-undertow-games.24547/
Psychological undertone with humor
https://f95zone.to/threads/derealization-v0-0-2-greenish-purple.82027/
Will check all of these, thanks!
 

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Damn, I didn't know that. Hope he can resolve those issues, I'm feeling very invested in the story :)


Rape is non-consensual sex, not limited to PIV. At least in Western countries.

That's exactly the kind of bullshit porn logic I'd like to avoid :) Besides, I've played it for about an hour and the game has tons of rape-y and non-consensual stuff, it's not for me.
I don't think bj is considered having sex
True most AVNs have porn logics so they can show you the lewd stuff it's a cliche
The forced stuff i understand it's not for everyone and everyone has their own preferences but they had to put those and violence in for the setting
 

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I don't think bj is considered having sex
Unlike what porn logic (and porn games) would suggest, PIV (penis-in-vagina) is faaaar from being the only form of sex. After all, it's called oral sex for a reason :)

but you can complete the prologue without any rape.
Sure, but that doesn't invalidate my point. If that was the only rape in the game I could maybe get past it, but 10 minutes later the MC is given a slave who - by definition - cannot consent, making all scenes with her rape.

I don't mean to kink shame anyone at all. Hell, I know people IRL who have rape fantasies. But it's a massive turn-off to me personally, so I guess Desert Stalker isn't for me :)
 

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This turned out to be a brilliant recommendation, thank you! I loved the main game and all three side stories. It takes ancient Greek and pagan mythology and thoroughly shits on them, but in a very entertaining sort of way :D
If you liked Reluctant Archon you'd probably enjoy Love of Magic as well. Arthurian Urban Fantasy about finding love, saving the world and achieving your destiny.
 

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Unlike what porn logic (and porn games) would suggest, PIV (penis-in-vagina) is faaaar from being the only form of sex. After all, it's called oral sex for a reason
Well, Bill Clinton told the world that oral sex wasn't sex in the course of denying his affair with ML... but even _he_ didn't believe it. Ahhhh, the 1990s...

Seriously, this is a tremendous list and saves me a great deal of time that I would have otherwise wasted playing through bad games.

One key feature of good writing in adult games is _eroticism_, which can greatly enhance sex scenes, but can (and should!) also be present in scenes that lack any sex at all. Another is complex, dynamic, and strong female LIs, who think for themselves and don't conform to porn tropes or logic. In fact, I'd say both of these features are present in all of my favourite games.

I'm also tempted to suggest that you (or your opposite number) start a list of terrible porn game tropes that must be avoided at all cost: e.g. porn logic, magic giant penis, cardboard cutout female LIs, mechanical sex, 'progression' sex tropes, parallel LIs who never seem to encounter each other.
 
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Well, Bill Clinton told the world that oral sex wasn't sex in the course of denying his affair with ML... but even _he_ didn't believe it. Ahhhh, the 1990s...
A most excellent point! He even managed to convince the populace that it was Lewinsky's fault, and only really stopped his bullshit when Congress threatened him with impeachment :) It was quite fascinating to watch as a non-American.

One key feature of good writing in adult games is _eroticism_, which can greatly enhance sex scenes, but can (and should!) also be present in scenes that lack any sex at all. Another is complex, dynamic, and strong female LIs, who think for themselves and don't conform to porn tropes or logic. In fact, I'd say both of these features are present in all of my favourite games.
Agreed, and I'm thrilled to have submitted this thread. I've discovered a whole bunch of games that fit these criteria.

I'm also tempted to suggest that you (or your opposite number) start a list of terrible porn game tropes that must be avoided at all cost: e.g. porn logic, magic giant penis, cardboard cutout female LIs, mechanical sex, 'progression' sex tropes, parallel LIs who never seem to encounter each other.
The trouble is, 95% of games on F95 have more than a few instances of such terrible tropes, it's hardly worth the effort. I'd much rather curate a list of the good ones :)

Had a quick read trough of the thread and it seams that no one has recommended Light of My Life.
Don't know how I missed that! The writing there is really quite good, I just wish updates were a tad more frequent :)
 
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Alison Fall Of the Apple has nice story
Alternate Existence is quite good as well
Alexandra is very well done in my opinion
Bare witness-I'd say the romance part has really nice emphasis on it here
Deliverance has cool story and characters
Heavy Five is really good in not being driven by porn logic,some say it's the best game ever,for me it's pretty good,worth playing
MIST is really good in terms of story and characters
Promises-only 1st update out,but It seems promising
Reluctant Archon-nice urban fantasy
Sanguine Rose is amazing in terms of writing
Shale hill Secrets is nicely done overall and has interesting characters
Single again- really nice slow burn with cool characters
A Petal Among Thorns- better then Penny imo
The Bite:revanant -you'll like it if you like Rebirth
Something to write about:The Author -simply great story
the Unbroken-The author's dev new game,one of my current favs
Unleashed-great dialogues and characters,promising story
Depraved Awakening-CoBD dev's first game,simply great
Sunshine Love-If you liked melody,maybe you'll like it,same dev
Off the record-quite nice game give it a try
A Man For All-does great job at portraying female characters as complex characters with hobbies and interests,with mc being a part of their lives not the sole purpose of their existence


I don't know if all of them fit all your criteria but most of the games you listed are some of my faves so If I liked them maybe you'll to
 
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Agreed, and I'm thrilled to have submitted this thread. I've discovered a whole bunch of games that fit these criteria.
So for my money, the most intriguing game your thread has uncovered so far is _Nothing is Forever_. I worry about the complexity of the morality/semi-RPG system, and whether the Dev can maintain the same level of quality throughout development. But there's real eroticism at work in the writing, and the dialogue with some of the women is (A) fairly realistic and (B) not banal. I'm pretty happy with that discovery.

I like _Light of my Life_, particularly the non-traditional (and more realistic and lovely) body shapes and artwork, but the whole stepfather/stepdaughter romance thing... is not my thing. Perhaps I can swallow it with the older stepdaughter... maybe... but certainly not with the younger one. Horses for courses.

There's nothing yet that rises to the level of the top two games in your signature -- _Hillside_ and _Corporate Culture_, though. Those games are really unusual, particularly in terms of the thought and care that went into creating the main female LIs (or whatever Elsa is... please, God, make her an LI.)
 

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Nothing is Forever [...] real eroticism at work in the writing, and the dialogue with some of the women is (A) fairly realistic and (B) not banal.
I like _Light of my Life_, particularly the non-traditional (and more realistic and lovely) body shapes and artwork, but the whole stepfather/stepdaughter romance thing... is not my thing. Perhaps I can swallow it with the older stepdaughter... maybe... but certainly not with the younger one.
Honestly, it's like you are in my mind, like a figment of my imagination or something, and not for the first time either. I feel exactly the same! I could have written this, word for word :)

There's nothing yet that rises to the level of the top two games in your signature -- _Hillside_ and _Corporate Culture_, though. Those games are really unusual, particularly in terms of the thought and care that went into creating the main female LIs
Well, yeah, Hillside and Corporate Culture are in a league of their own, far outside what normally passes for "adult" games.



(or whatever Elsa is... please, God, make her an LI.)
I definitely want Elsa to be an LI, but perhaps not to Edward? If that makes sense? Maybe if he goes through a dramatic bout of self-improvement? I would want it to be realistic, and so far, as Edward had so elegantly put, he is "an asexual blob" to Elsa :D
 
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played https://f95zone.to/threads/defending-lydia-collier-v0-11-3-white-phantom-games.33797/ recently...

In my opinion its very story-driven, but i get the vibe the DEV wants too much... wouldnt be the first game that grows way over the head of the DEV because he wants too much... but if he can pull it off, this will be a great one in the future.

There is already plenty content, with some thrill too. And its clear, there will be very different endings in the future... the choices you make matter in my opinion, even the little ones. Huge plus... The sound and music is ok, the overall look is decent enough, but stand no chance against the more popular games around here.

I would recommend to try it out, and than add to watchlist until there is much more updates available. Cause the story needs to be present in your mind i think if you continue... it would be better to play this game when its complete i think... bbut to know if you like it, you can try it out and watch until its complete i would say... i really liked it so far.
 
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