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Recommending Story-first games
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Here, have a render as an apology for my juvenile antics. 
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Is it going to be more of a curse than a boon? And the goal of the game is to search for a cure? Then hell yes!
Stumbled over https://f95zone.to/threads/how-to-fix-the-future-v0-2-3-mr-moonmi.80788/
Saw it already has been mentioned here, but just wanted to give my opinion on that one... and bump it a little ^^
Really a nice start, could be a very good one in the future, DEV is lacking some support i think... not much patreons for this kind of quality so far. Hopefully he gets more and this game will go somewhere. Think he needs to deliver a real good and big update next to get more support. Last update was a little short. Well we will see...
Saw it already has been mentioned here, but just wanted to give my opinion on that one... and bump it a little ^^
Really a nice start, could be a very good one in the future, DEV is lacking some support i think... not much patreons for this kind of quality so far. Hopefully he gets more and this game will go somewhere. Think he needs to deliver a real good and big update next to get more support. Last update was a little short. Well we will see...
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May have been suggested already but: https://f95zone.to/threads/sables-grimoire-final-zetsubou.19889/
That plus its companion stories (linked in first post) are well worth the read. Check my review if you want my full impression of the title.
That plus its companion stories (linked in first post) are well worth the read. Check my review if you want my full impression of the title.
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He had a rough spot prior to the last release as he is Ukrainian and his dev schedule was disrupted.
A.o.A Academy is a pretty harmless game, but some of the dialogue in there...
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Huh, I have no recollection of that scene
What was the context, do you remember? Who was present?Hmm, i think it's chapter 2 or 3 or something and i don't remember the context, The 2 dudes are the ones who participate in the truth or dare drinking game.... The next scene right after is where Ashley takes a shower and Vicky makes some comments about her body...
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This is an amazing thread, thanks!
Would any of you recommend writing/creating a VN that works well enough (interesting story) that the MC can voluntarily skip all potential relationships beyond just friendship/mutual respect/sworn enemies? I.E. any interest in a game where the sex encounters are optional?
Would any of you recommend writing/creating a VN that works well enough (interesting story) that the MC can voluntarily skip all potential relationships beyond just friendship/mutual respect/sworn enemies? I.E. any interest in a game where the sex encounters are optional?
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There are plenty of non-sexual VNs with varying levels of success, especially on Steam and Itch. So yes, there is definitely interest and this thread has a high concentration of potentially interested people
Would I recommend it? Maybe. A game brimming with sex scenes would still be seen by most as a porn game, even if it's all optional. So if your focus is on the story, I would recommend using sex scenes sparingly, in places where it makes sense for the characters involved.
That's just my opinion as a layman. We have a bunch of VN devs on this thread, who I'm sure can provide better advice
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In today's scene, all sex scenes in lewd games should be avoidable. Players are demanding that with their behavior. Some people may not like a certain character, others might despise a certain kink you don't even consider a 'kink', and all of them are going to complain if they are 'forced' to watch a scene they don't like. And there are even some odd people who actually look for celibate routes in lewd games. But yeah, basically you have to let players to opt-out of sex scenes.
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Taking this joke too literally, I think the theme of a magical penis works better as a satire. Like exploring scenarios that you don't see usually with that trope: straight men becoming bi if the MC is male, others sharing the MC without empowering the MC, the MC catching the interest of orcs, trolls and ogres, that kind of nonsense.
Do they at one point do the next thing that porn logic demands and throw themselves at the MC?
Oh, no gay tag...It's true that people demand that, but should they and should developers listen to them? It can add up to just another route and I don't think that this content creep by default is a good idea.
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Personally, no, I don't think so. I think in this thread we are all supportive of devs telling the story they have envisioned even if it means adding some unavoidable content we are not exactly comfortable with. We may choose not to play it or not add it to the list or whatever, but we'd fully support their creative freedom. But that's just like, me (or us). I don't make the rules and he was genuinely asking about people's interests. So yeah, I think people will love the fact that they can choose to not have sex, not because there's a 'celibate route' but because they can choose not to have sex when they don't wanna. At least, he's not going to face all of that stupid whining about unavoidable content since he has already thought of creating his game that other way.
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Damn, now I want someone to make that game. Think What a Legend! but with all of that
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I'm one of those odd ones. I might not actively seek out celibate routes but I will go that route if picking one person ends relations with another character I like. I'd rather keep two friends, over losing a friend and gaining a lover.
That's the way of an AVN for you. In an AVN you're basically confronted with (let's assume there are 10 LI's) an impossible situation with 10 separate stories wrapped into one big story. You also skip the whole usual dating part that happens in RL because the MC always starts with having chemistry with every LI (or the other way around). So you always find yourself being overstimulated due to this unrealistic situation because all the girls are programmed, literally and figuratively, to be the MC's partner. I think that's also the reason why so many people like harem games. Well, that or they just simply like the porn aspect of it and don't give a fuck
There's a fuckton of interest in that, yes. I have one "forced" scene in my game (I say "forced" because lots of people complain that it's forced.... but it's only forced if you choose option A. if you choose option B, then it gets skipped. I guess people's big problem is that there isn't any warning before hand, but tough shit.) and people complain endlessly about it, I've gotten multiple bad reviews specifically because of "forced sex" - literally that was some people's sole reason for leaving a bad review. One guy complimented literally every other aspect of the game, but left me a 1 star review. That was.... I laughed.
Anyway, yea, there's a decent amount of people who want to play "their" way, which means choosing who and what they have sex with - and giving them the option to always say no to everyone, well, lots of people would like that.
HOWEVER. It's only a good idea if it was something you want to do. Problem #1 - doing that, you get a LOT of scope creep, very quickly. Unless it's a very short story, once you get further into the game, it becomes hell on a development side to manage everything properly and have it all make sense. The bigger the game, the more issues you'll have on that front. It eventually means either shorter updates, or much longer update cycles.
Problem #2 - If you set that expectation early, you run the risk of "locking" yourself into it. Locking yourself into anything is NOT something you really want to do if it can be at all avoided. You really want to put yourself in a position to have the creative freedom to make changes, or do things that you might not think of right away but halfway into development you get a great idea and.... oh I can't really do that now, can I? To some extent the story you write locks you in to certain things, but adding additional restrictions on top of that just makes things a lot harder and potentially restricts any sort of creative freedom.
Problem #3 - Related to problem #1 - even if your updates aren't "shorter" they'll most likely be shorter for the player. Any scene you write with an LI that assumes that they hooked up at some point - so you either need to skip that scene entirely for people who DIDN'T make that choice (feels shorter despite same amount of content) or you need to create additional/alternate/etc scenes to work for the situation where they didn't. (longer update times). This would absolutely necessitate additional art (which is the real timesink in all of this) - how you write the scene would determine how much, if you're creative enough you can get away with only a small bit to deal with variances, but sometimes you'll need a lot more than that. It depends.
Problem #4 - It's the type of thing where.... I said there is an audience for it... well not really. It's more like the audience appreciates being able to decide what they do, and when, and with who - but the vast majority of people are totally ok with *eventually* being forced into scenes with characters, as long as they have complete agency over who that's with. The amount of people who would totally be cheering the idea of "it's time to go completely celibate yo!" I feel is probably on the small side.
So while there are plenty of people who would be happy with the choices, the vast majority would also be ok eventually being forced into something, as long as they get to choose the path and aren't forced into multiple characters (outside of harem game sobviously) or something like that. The amount of people you'd actually attract specifically because of this stipulation is pretty small.
It's like most things. If you think about the idea (and all the potential problems that might come with it) and say "Yea I totally wanna do that", then yea there's definitely an audience for it. But if you were doing it just for the audience and it wasn't something you really wanted to do? No it'd be a terrible idea.