Recommending Story-first games

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Pixillin'

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Dragon of Calon Valley is off to a good start. Nothing mind blowing about the setup. Mythical creatures hiding in plain sight in a modern setting, and it doesn't waste time getting into the sexual element, but the characters are interesting and fun and it seems to be going for a plot that is deeper than "dude discovers world full of mysterious, beautiful creatures and fucks them all". Only one chapter so far, so it's just getting started.
 
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Most days, the ones I want the most are stories where the main character is not a complete idiot. Bonus points for a man in his 30s or 40s, who's been around the block a time or two, and isn't some clueless teenager. There are a few of those out there, and I enjoy those the most.
The Missing Part then.
 
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To be clear, I'm not recommending the game. The vast majority of its content does not appeal to me, as it contains sexually abusive situations and/or incest. The reviews are the usual porn-brained nonsense, nothing out of the ordinary. I just wanted to highlight a single exchange, as it seemed unusually kind and well put together.
No need to justify yourself. I don't judge :D. But your comment definitely did not sound like a recommendation.

The reviews on this site tickle and frustrate me. I'm always a bit leery about games with 4 stars and above. It's just rare that a game can get highly rated from both the "too many words" and the "girls jump on MC" crowds.
 

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1. This thread is awesome. This is usually my first post of call when looking for a game. Thank you

2. Can anyone recommend a game where its a challenge to fuck girls/some girls don't want to fuck? I'm thinking about Nothing Is Forever where it actually has that feeling that the girls have their own personalities and agendas.

I've been playing The Monastery and Gateway recently and while the stories are pretty decent, its doing my head in that you can basically just fuck everyone very soon after being introduced to them.
 

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1. This thread is awesome. This is usually my first post of call when looking for a game. Thank you

2. Can anyone recommend a game where its a challenge to fuck girls/some girls don't want to fuck? I'm thinking about Nothing Is Forever where it actually has that feeling that the girls have their own personalities and agendas.

I've been playing The Monastery and Gateway recently and while the stories are pretty decent, its doing my head in that you can basically just fuck everyone very soon after being introduced to them.
Do you have a genre in mind? The Bite, Revenent i think qualifies (vampire). I just played Fractured Realms (fantasy), and I think I may have had an NSFW switched turned on because even when it seemed like you were going to have a choice the have sex it didn't. Rebirth (vampires) may also fit.
 
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Recommending Jezebel.

I've been playing this off and on for weeks now, and I'm finally done. This is a long one - might want to grab that coffee first :)
I wish so badly that I were more moved by nature...
It's like...I can understand the beauty, really. But I can't quite feel it.
This is the story of Duvessa Devereux, a noble woman whose cunning intellect is matched only by her profound amorality. Duvessa is the daughter of Lord Dallan, a great noble and a member of the King's Council. But despite being older, smarter, and more willing than her brother, she's not considered heir material due to the strict patriarchy she lives in. Her future looks bleak as Lord Dallan wishes to marry her off for political gain, but Duvessa has other plans.

All Duvessa wants is her freedom - and as much power as she can get her hands on. For her, it's the journey that matters, not the destination:
Davor: What would all that power have gotten me...really? The things I'd do to keep it...would bring me no closer to the Gods...
Duvessa: It's not about what you get...it's about the chase.
Duvessa: Once I've won, I move on to the next thing. That's the only way I know how to live.
Davor: Hmph...I think that rather sad.
Duvessa: Perhaps it is. But I make do, nonetheless.
To that end, there is no one she isn't willing to cross, nor any depths she isn't willing to descend to. Her mind is her greatest asset, but her body is a close second. Men drool after her, women are afraid of her. With that in mind, the game allows you lots of leeway to shape Duvessa's approach to conflict. Duvessa can allow her body to be used to manipulate others (the submissive approach), not-so-gently coerce others through sex (the dominant way), or rely on pure mental acumen (and brute force) to inflict severe cruelty to her targets.

The game's greatest strength is Duvessa's characterization. Externally, she is a tour de force - confident, decisive, witty and amoral. Internally, though, she is aware that something must be wrong with her. She is not loving or caring in the slightest. There’s something hollow in her victories. You get the sense that even when she wins, she’s already moved on - chasing the next thing, half-hoping it'll fill the void she won't admit is there.

On the rare occasion she's being honest with someone, instead of making her happy, this merely confuses her:
Duvessa said:
Once again, I don't believe that I'm lying to her.
Unless being sincere is just as foreign to me as being judgemental is to her, and I'm simply unfamiliar.
For Duvessa, people are a means to an end. She might object to being married off for political gain - but only because it's not her gain. That's her in a nutshell. It's not the cruelty she minds, it's the lack of control. Similarly, a future child doesn't interest her except as an heir, but she's self-aware enough not to inflict herself on a child:
Duvessa said:
An eventual marriage for political gain is inevitable.
However, I'm perfectly happy to bide my time until I find the best union I possibly can.
Perhaps I'll manage to talk some Great House into accepting a marriage which grants my offspring the Devereux name.
Children, however...that's another story.
I would surely make an awful mother, and raising the whelp myself doesn't interest me.
Perhaps I'll have just one...to keep people from talking.
I could ship it off to be raised in Fortbelle, ever so far away from my corrosive influence.
The patriarchal society and the way men treat Duvessa, are a source of both constant frustration and endless amusement to her. When talking about the boys who used to court her in their youth, she says:
Duvessa said:
They were ever so interested in me because of my beauty and my name, but hardly any of them knew a thing about me. They were all such dullards, to boot. So obsessed with reaching this picture perfect ideal of chivalry that they read about in some old romance. Not an original thought in their heads.
But even her privilege has its limits:
Duvessa said:
It pisses me off to think that I was treated with more gravitas by all these powerful men when I was eighteen than I am now.
Jarik, Davor Quinza, Ondrea Calder, Jasen, hell, even my own father. The list of insolent imbeciles who have patronized me since my return is far too long.
Given her character, there are no LIs and certainly no romance in the game. But there are some sexual partners you can choose to be kind to. I'll talk about my favourite - Erika. She is a naive, bubbly peasant girl. Polite and unfailingly kind, Erika has no filter and no sense of decorum. She nicknames Duvessa "V" shortly after they meet - a major faux pas, given their stations - but Duvessa can't bring herself to lash out because Erika is so transparently earnest.

This eventually leads to Duvessa deciding to be honest and direct with Erika, something terrifyingly out of character for her:
Duvessa: Erika...
Duvessa: You know that I'm a bad person, right?
Duvessa: If you let yourself get close to me, I'll probably end up using you for my own ends. It could very well be ruinous for you.
Erika: Fully aware!
Duvessa: I'm only telling you this because I like you, but-wait, what?
Duvessa: ...so...you know that I'm trouble.
Erika: Yup!
Duvessa: And you're okay with that?
Erika: Affirmative.
Duvessa: Even if it ends up hurting you?
Erika: Yes'm.
Duvessa: ...why?
Going further into this dialogue would be a spoiler, so hopefully this was enough to give you a taste.

The story’s mostly about Duvessa’s scheming - sharp, twisty palace intrigue - but there’s also this creeping discomfort with her own cruelty, and a weird, escalating bout of insomnia that she can’t quite explain.

Even though it's only episode 1, the game has well over 300K words, and can easily take 20+ hours to read. Choices in this game are significant and lead to major plot differences. I recommend deciding on who you want Duvessa to be, and making choices accordingly. Trying to meta-game it by looking up points or reading the script will only frustrate you. You might hit an early end or two, but even those are smartly written.

Anyway, if anyone else has played it, I'd love to hear your thoughts. The OP has been updated :)
 

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Thanks y'all. It is funny to me that this is basically how the reviews come across. It sounds like I'll check it out.

I completely agree with all the epilogs. It always just comes across as 5 different long winded versions of "and they lived happily ever after".
Ok. I finally finished it and I totally understand the "meh" reviews. For about the first 10 chapters (of 25), it just seemed a bit drawn out and boring. But, every time I thought about giving it up a new plot piece would come in that just kept me going And, I think around ch 12 or 15, it kept my interest better. But then, I think it was around ch 20 that it felt like the story was about half way done, but then speed through several plot lines in just 5 chapters to the "end". Several complex political issues were resolved in about as much text as hikes through the woods with idle chitchat in the first chapters. And, I just don't feel like any of the issues were fully resolved. Although, it would probably be a good place to start a sequel, but it didn't feel like it was going to.

Tldr. It just sort of strung me along in the beginning, rushed through when it got interesting, and the just quit.
 

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Do you have a genre in mind? The Bite, Revenent i think qualifies (vampire). I just played Fractured Realms (fantasy), and I think I may have had an NSFW switched turned on because even when it seemed like you were going to have a choice the have sex it didn't. Rebirth (vampires) may also fit.

Thanks. I really enjoy all genres so I'll take a look at these. Much appreciated!
 

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Chapter 5 of Pecker PI: The Curse of the Pearl Necklace is out on ! This VN has some of the funniest, smartest humour out there. Earlier discussion here and here :)
It's almost like I wrote that myself! Only, if I wrote it, the "some of" wouldn't be part of the post;-)

PS presently I go for 0 percent accuracy 100 percent of the time, in the present.
 

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I wish more Dev/Writers would understand that the emotions & reactions of characters and players need to be earned, they don't just happen. The most cliche example are the harem games where all the women love the MC because he exists and has a penis but it's all over the place, even in some otherwise well written AVNs - the MC will fall in love with a Li (or vice versa) and the audience is left going .. he does? Why? They've only talked like three times and don't seem to have formed any kind of a connection. Or the MC will get angry or sad about something and the audience is just confused and has to take it on face value because the text in the game said so. In a really good story you want the player/reader to feel what the protagonist does (good or bad) but to get there, you have to have things happen so that the player understands and empathizes - it doesn't just happen because reasons.

The same thing sometimes happens kind of in reverse. The player will feel something because the writer has (apparently accidentally) made things happen that evoked emotions in the reader but then the MC doesn't feel that way and the dev gets confused about people's reactions to the story. In Neverwhere Tales, for example, the Dev seems continually surprised that the players (or at least a good chunk of them) aren't reacting at all the way he wanted to events in the story, and I don't know how he's going to handle that other than press on and lose a fair few players.
 

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I checked out UC8 and really enjoyed it. https://f95zone.to/threads/uc8-v0-3-2-2-dark-griffin-games.181500/

The MC gets a divorce and finds out he has a daughter from an old flame. And he is not creeping on her at all. He manages a movie theater in a college town, but even the young women that work there are mature with their own lives and struggles. And there are also older LIs. The dev seems to be leaning towards multiple paths for LIs instead of harem. Or maybe just casual, non committed, relationships?

Check the dev notes for details lack of incest tag (some may consider it a spoiler). Also, that there'll be no loli content.
 
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I checked out UC8 and really enjoyed it. https://f95zone.to/threads/uc8-v0-3-2-2-dark-griffin-games.181500/

The MC gets a divorce and finds out he has a daughter from an old flame. And he is not creeping on her at all. He manages a movie theater in a college town, but even the young women that work there are mature with their own lives and struggles. And there are also older LIs. The dev seems to be leaning towards multiple paths for LIs instead of harem. Or maybe just casual, non committed, relationships?

Check the dev notes for details lack of incest tag (some may consider it a spoiler). Also, that there'll be no loli content.
It's ok, I haven't abandoned it yet or anything but it seems a bit like wish fulfillment from a writer who feels both wise and underappreciated, and who clearly knows about movie theatre operations. There is a lot of gushing about what a great, great guy the MC is and a lot of the MC doing monologues full of wise advise to the ladies in the game. It might be good, but right now it seems kindof stuck in that pattern and I'm not sure that there is a main plot other than running a movie theatre and the MC (who is managing a 8 screen movie theatre despite being incredibly wealthy) solving women's problems with sage advice and lots of cash and very rarely actually getting laid.
 
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It might be good, but right now it seems kindof stuck in that pattern and I'm not sure that there is a main plot other than running a movie theatre and the MC (who is managing a 8 screen movie theatre despite being incredibly wealthy) solving women's problems with sage advice and lots of cash and very rarely actually getting laid.
I kind of like it, but not for the story. I mean, after the initial discovery that MC has a daughter, there is not a lot happening. But it is so damn wholesome, and sometimes I feel like I need that.
It feels a bit like Couples, where everyone treats each other well and the most important choice is what you will be having for dinner and who will be doing the dishes...
 
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I kind of like it, but not for the story. I mean, after the initial discovery that MC has a daughter, there is not a lot happening. But it is so damn wholesome, and sometimes I feel like I need that.
It feels a bit like Couples, where everyone treats each other well and the most important choice is what you will be having for dinner and who will be doing the dishes...
It is very wholesome, and maybe I was just in a mood the last time I played it but the MC's life advice sermons were starting to wear on me. I haven't given up on it though, maybe I'll feel better about the next update.
 
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It's ok, I haven't abandoned it yet or anything but it seems a bit like wish fulfillment from a writer who feels both wise and underappreciated, and who clearly knows about movie theatre operations. There is a lot of gushing about what a great, great guy the MC is and a lot of the MC doing monologues full of wise advise to the ladies in the game. It might be good, but right now it seems kindof stuck in that pattern and I'm not sure that there is a main plot other than running a movie theatre and the MC (who is managing a 8 screen movie theatre despite being incredibly wealthy) solving women's problems with sage advice and lots of cash and very rarely actually getting laid.
I can't disagree with this. I thought about saying something about it, but couldn't figure out a good way to word it without spoilers.
 
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Just finished Little Regina - Parts of it made me uncomfortable but if this story doesn't make you uncomfortable, you probably need therapy. It has elements of the Punisher, and a bit of Natural Born Killers. The protagonist is a Afghan War Veteran, and Medal of Honor recipient who was held prisoner and tortured for months before being freed, discharged and spending a lot of time being put back together. He's searching for the sister of a friend who escaped an abusive relationship and vanished off the face of the Earth. He meets a girl who is an aspiring professional soccer/football player who has her own troubled past (she may look a bit like a loli but that appearance is quickly overshadowed by her personality and history) and they form a bond - there is a lot of vigilante justice and some of it is a bit over the top but if you can handle the violence it is a good story.

To be honest, a little over the top violence in a VN is welcome. Maybe it's a generational thing, and I am not a violent person, but a lot of devs and writers seem to go out of their way to avoid violence, even in situations that would absolutely be violent. I've seen quite a few medieval themed games, for example, where a seasoned soldier or warlord decides that the bad guys are probably just misunderstood and need a second chance (which blows up in their faces most of the time).

It is also very romantic, they are two lost souls who find and heal each other - while destroying anyone who is a threat to them or their chosen family and they add more lost souls along the way ... though I won't give away too many details.
 
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