Recommending Story-first games

[Tlaero]

But it makes sense that the authors would come up with way more details about the world and characters that may be important for how and why things develop as they do, but don't really need to be known to the reader.

And then, if we're really lucky, we make something that everyone goes crazy over, and then we get to sell an expensive "art book" that has sketches and details that never made it into the stories.

Tlaero

 

[Finuee]

Is this the "skip transitions" menu setting? I always thought that was if you hit skip it would just go to the next scene.

If you have this check in the code does that mean the the transitions become click through frames?

No, skip transitions means that consecutive renders appear instantaneously instead of with the assigned transition. Usually renders will "dissolve" into each other over 0.5 seconds. If you press "auto" with the highest text speed you'll notice this. Text will flash by until you encounter a transition.
The proposed code doesn't change the sequence into click through frames, but merely adds the 0.5 seconds that the transition would otherwise have taken to make sure the effect isn't immediately overwritten by the next render.

Quetzzz said it better than I could. The code I wrote for the next update will simply add a very little pause in places where two images are shown back to back without needing the player to click to advance and relying on the time it takes for the dissolve transition to have one be onscreen for a moment. With transitions turned off, right now the first image is immediately substituted with the second one, and the player never sees it.

 

[kotte]

I'm not debating against your expertise on what is and isn't good writing. But for me it can be very frustrating to not get the point, if I know there's a point to be made. I can't (well getting better, really) just let it go as not important.

This is such an interesting example of how different readers experience the same work differently.

One thing I really like is when a story with a complex world building doesn't show (or tell) me everything immediately.
I get some bits and pieces, and in the beginning I don't understand a lot, but my understanding grows as the story goes.
When it is done skillfully, I really enjoy this, but I can totally see how it would destroy the experience for someone who thinks it is their fault that they didn't get the full picture...

 

[Quetzzz]

When it is done skillfully, I really enjoy this, but I can totally see how it would destroy the experience for someone who thinks it is their fault that they didn't get the full picture...

Absolutely! If done well, the mystery and tidbits of lore can work as a hook in themselves. When not done well, readers feel like they've been thrown in the deep end and have issues making sense of anything or even feel the MC or characters are impossible to relate to.

 

[Pgsurprise]

This is such an interesting example of how different readers experience the same work differently.

One thing I really like is when a story with a complex world building doesn't show (or tell) me everything immediately.
I get some bits and pieces, and in the beginning I don't understand a lot, but my understanding grows as the story goes.
When it is done skillfully, I really enjoy this, but I can totally see how it would destroy the experience for someone who thinks it is their fault that they didn't get the full picture...

No, I can agree with that. It builds anticipation for something interesting to come.

My problem is when I read something and remember reading before, but either forgot, missed a detail that now seems important, or miss understood the nuance of the previous reference. The easiest example is like the "henery's assistant" reference. If they just referenced "johnny" instead, and I don't remember who that was. Origin Story is a story I'm reading and like, but most of the time they are using the superhero name, but occasionally some refers to them by their given name and I don't always remember both. I see the point of doing that, because it reflects the deeper relationship a character has with the hero, so it is good writing, but it can be frustrating for me. Hence, the lowest denominator reference .

I'll just say, this doesn't explain everything about this, but dyslexia sucks . It also causes many more issues with reading that slow me down and are frustrating. So, sometimes it builds up and makes it no fun, even for a good story I am enjoying.

 

[Jaike]

Hopefully I was seating when reading this, but I still almost manage to fall of my chair
It's not in the law that every AVN MC's father MUST be dead?

I think in straight male MC games the options are dead, divorced, just missing, a jerk, or about to get feminised. There there are combos like in OiaL where the dad is a jerk who the MC eventually kills.

 

[Pgsurprise]

I think in straight male MC games the options are dead, divorced, just missing, a jerk, or about to get feminised. There there are combos like in OiaL where the dad is a jerk who the MC eventually kills.

It's because so many games are teenage kids and having another man in the house would give "serious NTR vibes".

 

[kotte]

Origin Story is a story I'm reading and like, but most of the time they are using the superhero name, but occasionally some refers to them by their given name and I don't always remember both.

This reminds me of reading the classic russian novels. Everyone has a name, a shorter name, and a pet name, and none of them is similar to the others.

There's a game called Heaven's Door, where most of the girls have both a stripper name and a real name. Sometime they use one, sometimes the other, and I have actually had to make a list where I can lookup one from the other...

 

[Quetzzz]

It's because so many games are teenage kids and having another man in the house would give "serious NTR vibes".

There was a time when Helping the Hotties went by a different name, and the MC lived at the camp with his parents. When they showed his mom and dad having an intimate moment, the backlash was ruthless... NTR NTR NTR!
Personally, I don't agree with it... She was his mom, not even an LI yet; let her have her fun... But it was enough for the game to get reworked.

Sadly, this reasoning has snuffed out many fathers of main characters.

 

[GokutheG]

There was a time when Helping the Hotties went by a different name, and the MC lived at the camp with his parents. When they showed his mom and dad having an intimate moment, the backlash was ruthless... NTR NTR NTR!
Personally, I don't agree with it... She was his mom, not even an LI yet; let her have her fun... But it was enough for the game to get reworked.

Sadly, this reasoning has snuffed out many fathers of main characters.

Couldn't devs just not have the mom as a LI to avoid this mess? The rare times I visit a guy protagonist game the biggest problems seem to come from "harem" fans and the pro/anti ntr crowds.

 

[Quetzzz]

Couldn't devs just not have the mom as a LI to avoid this mess? The rare times I visit a guy protagonist game the biggest problems seem to come from "harem" fans and the pro/anti ntr crowds.

It seems there's an unwritten rule that any woman in the MC's vicinity is de facto his.
I do think his mother was planned to be an LI; I don't remember all the details.

 

[Pgsurprise]

This reminds me of reading the classic russian novels. Everyone has a name, a shorter name, and a pet name, and none of them is similar to the others.

There's a game called Heaven's Door, where most of the girls have both a stripper name and a real name. Sometime they use one, sometimes the other, and I have actually had to make a list where I can lookup one from the other...

I haven't read too many classic Russian novels. They're a bit much for me . I'm mostly into mystery and spy genres

Spoiler: If you wanna laugh WITH me

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I played one of the early versions of Heaven's Door. It's an interesting concept so far, but I'm going to let it cook for a while to get a better idea of what it's really about. So far it seems to only take place in the club, but it seems like it'll branch out of that at some point. Either could be fine, though.

 

[Pgsurprise]

Couldn't devs just not have the mom as a LI to avoid this mess? The rare times I visit a guy protagonist game the biggest problems seem to come from "harem" fans and the pro/anti ntr crowds.

I've seen a couple recently with a hot sister and a hot mom that are not, and never will be LIs. It tickles me a little to go to the threads and see all the people whining about it. But, it's also just sad that "my fetish" has to be put into every AVN or it's a personal afront and has no redeeming value no matter what else happens.

 

[GokutheG]

I've seen a couple recently with a hot sister and a hot mom that are not, and never will be LIs. It tickles me a little to go to the threads and see all the people whining about it. But, it's also just sad that "my fetish" has to be put into every AVN or it's a personal afront and has no redeeming value no matter what else happens.

Now I'm curious to what these games are if only to see the reaction to this news.

 

[Pgsurprise]

Now I'm curious to what these games are if only to see the reaction to this news.

I'm sorry, I don't remember the one with the mom. But the one with the sister is https://f95zone.to/threads/beyond-tomorrow-ch-3-part-1-dream-games.161133/ Although, it also has a mom who is not a LI, but I don't think people complain about it in this case (you'd have to be a special kind of asshole in this case).

I remembered that it was discussed in this thread, so I went looking for a synopsis from someone here, but found this fitting comment first

Beyond Tomorrow could be a good first story game in the future. But right now there are few choices and you don't have any choices that change the story. The relationships are already formed and for now you have no choice to change that.

It's also strange to me that incest is in the avoided tags. There is a clear interest/passion between the sister and her brother, mentioned in a memory. Why did the author put something like that? Maybe to “justify” why the sister is currently dating another woman? Because of that forbidden love? Using this is wrong in my opinion, even for me who doesn't really like games with female/lesbian protagonists.

Followed by the perfect response.

It sucks so fucking much that developers are asked to justify why they don't want to do incest. The brother and sister get along well, sure, but how is that sexual passion? Like seriously, wtf? How is it "wrong" to write a close sibling relationship without it being sexual?

The spoilers in the first comment don't say much about the story, and I don't think should bother anyone.

 

[JFKdj]

Elite Garden had the mother and sister that were never going to be love interests. I enjoyed all the crying in the thread about that.

 

[Quetzzz]

Elite Garden had the mother and sister that were never going to be love interests. I enjoyed all the crying in the thread about that.

Same for The Neverwhere Tales. Doesn't help that the sister is a lovely character either.

Tell me to shut it if this goes too out of scope for this thread, but sometimes I wonder if people are conditioned to expect incest, and it isn't really about the kink at all. Personally, I'd rather set familial relationships in a game and go on a date with my cousin than with my landlord's friend's tenant. But I can't say it titillates me any more than if she were just a friend. One thing I've noticed is that incest allows for a narrative short-cut. It acts in much the same way as setting up that childhood friend who lives next door. It immediately establishes a history, connection, and tension.

 

[NebulousShooter]

Elite Garden had the mother and sister that were never going to be love interests. I enjoyed all the crying in the thread about that.

thanks for reminding me


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Same for The Neverwhere Tales. Doesn't help that the sister is a lovely character either.

Tell me to shut it if this goes too out of scope for this thread, but sometimes I wonder if people are conditioned to expect incest, and it isn't really about the kink at all. Personally, I'd rather set familial relationships in a game and go on a date with my cousin than with my landlord's friend's tenant. But I can't say it titillates me any more than if she were just a friend. One thing I've noticed is that incest allows for a narrative short-cut. It acts in much the same way as setting up that childhood friend who lives next door. It immediately establishes a history, connection, and tension.

I m not that much into it, so much so that I can't tell any games of the top of my head that I've gotten into, that feature that, but I can't help but want the hot girls all to myself.

Its perfectly fine to do family members with normal dynamics, actually a breath of fresh air. My issue is that devs can't stop doing gratuitous scenes and custom render sets of those characters. 'You can never have this character, but here is her tits for shits and giggles' It feels that they are just screwing with people after some point, since they are well aware people ask for them.

Just because you are doing an adult game doesn't mean every female has to be seen in sexual instances, ffs!

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Edit: Become a Rockstar also had an on topic situation.

Edit 2: tl, dr If you smear honey all over the place, don't blame the bear when he shows up!

 

[yossa999]

The more I think about it the latter seems to be the crux of most of the things I've grown to hate about our genre in general...

Be based and just kill the MC's wifey in the prologue, when she's at the peak of her happiness. And when MC's daughter grow up a bit, kill her too.

 

[Quetzzz]

Be based and just kill the MC's wifey in the prologue, when she's at the peak of her happiness. And when MC's daughter grow up a bit, kill her too.

And instead of allowing the player to jump off a bridge, introduce an overbearing motherly character that you can't tell to fuck off and mind her own business?