Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.0] [Studio Fow]

[Deleted member 324588]

Why are you comparing the dev team who made God of War with StudioFOW? Am I missing something here? lol. That just seems like a crap comparison, and more angry people from the F95 community yelling into the void again.

And most 'early access games' on Steam, never leave 'early access'. Where are you pulling all of these numbers from? 4 years max? 1 or 2 at most? What is going on here? Did someone conduct a statisical analysis of how long an early access game takes to be completed when I was away? Did I miss something here? How do you know this?

I could have sworn half of the crap on F95 was 'early access' and have been for a very long time, if they are not left 'abandoned'. Do you not know Wild Life or SomethingUnlimited exists?

If you don't like how StudioFOW is running things, just move on to another game already. I don't see the problem here.

Why does everyone else have to suffer? As a lurker, do you know how hard it is to sift through 340+ pages of NTR flame wars and update complaints? The search button is like jesus for me, but even then, it is difficult. Can we actually have some useful insight into the game?

Just wanna note that the FOW discord is public to join

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[sx78]

Just wanna note that the FOW discord is public to join

You must be registered to see the links

Thank God. Appreciate it.

 

[Purple_Heart]

Why are you comparing the dev team who made God of War with StudioFOW? Am I missing something here?

Yes, you are missing something. The person I was replying to is saying we shouldn't expect any decent game in like what? 10 years or something because apparently all the games take more than a couple of years to make:

Anyone that expected a 30+ hour intended game to be done in a couple years just plain has no idea how game dev works.

Gow is made in 4 years. Can you guess how many hours does it take on average to complete it?

And most 'early access games' on Steam, never leave 'early access'.

I don't know about you but I've been enjoying indie games a lot more(which were in early access mind you) than AAA games in the past few years. Dead Cells, Hades, The Last Spell, Hadean Tactics, Nova Drift, M.A.S.S Builder, Ravenfield, Gunfire Reborn, Dreamscaper, Slay The Spire, Mad Games Tycoon 2, Tower of Time... I didn't even had to think to write those.

Where are you pulling all of these numbers from? 4 years max? 1 or 2 at most? What is going on here? Did someone conduct a statisical analysis of how long an early access game takes to be completed when I was away? Did I miss something here? How do you know this?

Those numbers are from my experience. I've seen too many indie games with the description:
"We've been developing this game for 2 years and we expect it to be in early access for another 2, depending on the feedback."
But if you want more solid info you can google any game's development time.

I could have sworn half of the crap on F95 was 'early access' and have been for a very long time, if they are not left 'abandoned'. Do you not know Wild Life or SomethingUnlimited exists?

Abandoned tag is for games that hadn't been updated in a while(6 months I think), it doesn't mean they're actually abandoned.

Why does everyone else have to suffer? As a lurker, do you know how hard it is to sift through 340+ pages of NTR flame wars and update complaints? The search button is like jesus for me, but even then, it is difficult. Can we actually have some useful insight into the game?

I never did those and I post here rarely, you get triggered by my 1(ONE) post and decided to shift the blame of everything to me, lmao.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Again, why are you comparing this to a professional studio that's been making games for more than two decades, with over 250 employees? if anything you're undermining your point, cuz if 250+ people take four years to make a game to a sequel, most of which they can reuse assets for, then FOW has plenty of reasons to be taking this long.

 

[Purple_Heart]

Again, why are you comparing this to a professional studio that's been making games for more than two decades, with over 250 employees? if anything you're undermining your point, cuz if 250+ people take four years to make a game to a sequel, most of which they can reuse assets for, then FOW has plenty of reasons to be taking this long.

First, my point was and still is: games are developed around 4 years, usually less, rarely more. I've never said anything about their budget, employee count, file size or graphics. So please stop moving the goalpost constantly.

Second, santa monica's last god of war game(which is god of war ascension or 3 remastered) has assets that are nowhere close to the current gow(2018) quality. If you think they actually reused assets from their previous games without even touching them, you are out of your mind.

Third, studiofow is not entirely inexperienced. Animation is one of the hardest part of creating a game, and they have plenty of experience in that.

Fourth, even if you actually believe this is why game shouldn't come in a few years but instead should take something like 10 years, tell me, what is stopping studiofow from hiring actual developers to help them, with the amount of money they've got surely they can afford to do that, right?

Fifth, they can keep milking people like you as long as they want, I don't care. Just don't go around spreading lies like this while trying to justify your purchase:

Anyone that expected a 30+ hour intended game to be done in a couple years just plain has no idea how game dev works.

Please.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

First, my point was and still is: games are developed around 4 years, usually less, rarely more. I've never said anything about their budget, employee count, file size or graphics. So please stop moving the goalpost constantly.

Second, santa monica's last god of war game(which is god of war ascension or 3 remastered) has assets that are nowhere close to the current gow(2018) quality. If you think they actually reused assets from their previous games without even touching them, you are out of your mind.

Third, studiofow is not entirely inexperienced. Animation is one of the hardest part of creating a game, and they have plenty of experience in that.

Fourth, even if you actually believe this is why game shouldn't come in a few years but instead should take something like 10 years, tell me, what is stopping studiofow from hiring actual developers to help them, with the amount of money they've got surely they can afford to do that, right?

Fifth, they can keep milking people like you as long as they want, I don't care. Just don't go around spreading lies like this while trying to justify your purchase:

Please.

How can they milk us by only gaining a profit from selling the game? Its not like they're getting monthly revenue like say the Wild Life devs, need I remind you on how long that been's going on for? And they even tried a kickstarter themselves, years after already pulling in tons from their Patreon already.

Your 4 years is not a goalpost. Its a dream, and not everyone can work within those limits without either crunching themselves or others. If every game could be finished that quickly, explain the announcement and eventually release of Final Fantasy 15, FF7 Remake. Kingdom Hearts 3, Resident Evil 4, Duke Nukem Forever, The Last Guardian, and as I've mentioned Star Citizen, which has been in development since 2010.

 

[Purple_Heart]

Your 4 years is not a goalpost. Its a dream, and not everyone can work within those limits without either crunching themselves or others. If every game could be finished that quickly, explain the announcement and eventually release of Final Fantasy 15, FF7 Remake. Kingdom Hearts 3, Resident Evil 4, Duke Nukem Forever, The Last Guardian, and as I've mentioned Star Citizen, which has been in development since 2010.

Funny how almost every game dev can make their games in a even smaller timeframe but when it comes to subverse it is suddenly a dream then it is cherry picking time. Ofcourse lets ignore every other game ever made because they don't support your argument

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Funny how almost every game dev can make their games in a even smaller timeframe but when it comes to subverse it is suddenly a dream then it is cherry picking time. Ofcourse lets ignore every other game ever made because they don't support your argument

Dude I gave several examples. You're choosing to ignore the argument. So this discussion is over.

 

[Purple_Heart]

Dude I gave several examples. You're choosing to ignore the argument. So this discussion is over.

I already did give you an example, in my first post. But you suddenly moved goalpost to their employee count, file size, graphics, experience and finaaly budget Also reused assets

 

[Pope Alexander VI]

Dude I gave several examples. You're choosing to ignore the argument. So this discussion is over.

Please stop digging your own grave even deeper.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Please stop digging your own grave even deeper.

I could keep going, but as someone else said, don’t need to fill up a thread with 340 pages of crap. So ima just ignore and move on. And y’all can continue complaining about a product that most will never pay for, yet can’t stop talking about.

 

[Psan2022]

I am almost too afraid to ask but did the game improve sibce the initial release? The reviews are abysmal...

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I am almost too afraid to ask but did the game improve sibce the initial release? The reviews are abysmal...

Gameplay-wise yes. Sex is gonna be dependent on your initial feelings. While they’ve given it some features, we still haven’t seen the overhaul they’ve mentioned a while back

 

[Razrback16]

I am almost too afraid to ask but did the game improve sibce the initial release? The reviews are abysmal...

Pretty broad question.

Depends on what areas you're most curious about. Pandora's (the sex scene area of the game) about the same - they did add some "foreplay" clips for the girls up to current version release in their recruitment scenes. Each update usually adds some "scenes" (using the term loosely as a scene in this game is really just a brief (5-10 seconds), looping clip of whatever it is).

Grid combat is about the same - they've tried to add some more stuff to the maps like explosive elements, etc. Space combat is virtually unchanged from the v0.1 release to now - most are just open SCHMUP style fights in the open. Some of the quest-based missions have some stealth-focused missions which were a nice addition, but outside of that it's the same. They say they are working on grid combat, so we'll see - it seems to be the most disliked part of the gameplay for most reviews and feedback posts I've read.

They've added a gallery (of which the value is really up to the player; I find it to be a completely worthless waste of dev time, personally).

Dating is basically the same - you give the girls gifts and they basically say thanks and it gives a boost to the points the captain has with them. They've said they will be working to flesh this out a bit more as well.

They've updated some of the UI elements - nothing massive, but just small improvements here and there.

Hope this helps. If there's something specific you want to ask about, feel free.

 

[Deleted member 4998567]

The devs really could've put Subverse on sale like almost all other erodevs are currently doing on Steam. But no, they really don't give a fuck.

 

[andybc]

a lot more backers trust me, besides that, yes they were upfront about why they changed their model after multiple times of changing it back and forth. What they were not upfront about is, is that they were talking about how much they have already finished in content (while kickstarter was running, way before ea release), and this and that, would be in for start of ea and blablabla...meanwhile not even half of what they said was finished was in the ea and during ea in dev diarys they talk about how they now work on it...but why do they have to work on it? when many of the things as they said before ea were finished?

Dont get me wrong i wish the best for Subverse, but a lot of things they said before ea and after it contradict themselfs a lot.
Also we are not talking Indie anymore...they got 1m+ through kickstarter + sales on steam (they were #2 in trending sales there) and other platforms, for development, while "indie" devs often dont even have a 100k as a budget but have more complex systems+content and more content and dont even have half the development time + they are a lot less people sometimes just 1 person.

Subverse reached 1m+ on kickstarter at May 2019 and they worked on it already way before that, keep that in mind.
For how barebones the systems, gameplay and content is in **lets say 3years** not counting the work before kickstarter, of development, i think its pretty clear why not just "100" backers are annoyed and angry but a lot more than that.

Just saying...as mentioned personally im not angry at all anymore since i feel like im not allowed to be, since i never paid for it.

Wtf… if you think 1m isn’t indie anymore, than almost all good indie games you’ve heard of don’t qualify. Indie isnt just one person working on a game as a side hobby creating bloat ware. So many terrible takes about game dev, like the guy comparing one of the best triple A studios to this game. LOL.

 

[sivertop]

Wtf… if you think 1m isn’t indie anymore, than almost all good indie games you’ve heard of don’t qualify. Indie isnt just one person working on a game as a side hobby creating bloat ware. So many terrible takes about game dev, like the guy comparing one of the best triple A studios to this game. LOL.

you should probably re-read, i never said indie is 1 dev, and i never said 1m is considered triple a or something like that, im also well aware what counts as "indie" nowadays and what it was meant to be in the first place. Either way, im not interested in discussing more about this, since people clearly only read what they want to read and take things out of context.
Also this thread is not about discussing these things, i apologize for doing that, with that i consider myself out of this discussion.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

The devs really could've put Subverse on sale like almost all other erodevs are currently doing on Steam. But no, they really don't give a fuck.

Just looking at the sale field, the other lewd games appear to be...completed. And this is already the 'on sale' price, as it'll go up when its reaches 1.0.

 

[bobr12]

Is anybody else encounters bugs in the game or it is just me? Black skin without suit naked captain in scenes(dialogue's) or in deva mode working 50/50 and can crashing the game, maybe others i don't remember.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Is anybody else encounters bugs in the game or it is just me? Black skin without suit naked captain in scenes(dialogue's) or in deva mode working 50/50 and can crashing the game, maybe others i don't remember.

No this last update has its fair share of problems, hopefully its all fixed next month.