Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[TheAncient0ne]

I'm gonna stop reading here, since you've missed that nobody has been doing this for the past 5-10 pages. Check the past two pages and you'll see that nobody is arguing for that right now.

Nope, didn't miss that and probably should've noted that I indeed don't mean the people who've been posting lately. I simply caught a suggestion that might bring those complainers back cause I enjoy the chaos it ensues.

The only people who seem to be against this universally agreed upon solution are the actual fanboys that keep making it seem like the majority of people who haven't forgotten about the game are being entitled brats.

Did you really stop reading after the second sentence? I cringe at the fanboys as well and on that notion, some of those still seem to be active.

When there are two polarized groups fighting each other, I'm the guy who you can find standing in the middle flipping a bird at both sides.

 

[NBV]

Nope, didn't miss that and probably should've noted that I indeed don't mean the people who've been posting lately. I simply caught a suggestion that might bring those complainers back cause I enjoy the chaos it ensues.



Did you really stop reading after the second sentence? I cringe at the fanboys as well and on that notion, some of those still seem to be active.

When there are two polarized groups fighting each other, I'm the guy who you can find standing in the middle flipping a bird at both sides.

I didn't stop reading. There are two polarizing groups, but it's not the exaggerated extremes you're thinking. It's not the rape/monster fans vs the vanilla fans, it's fans of various fetishes vs the normy extremists that only want the game to cater to them. There are lots of rape AND vanilla fans in agreement that the people who keep requesting that everything but the most vanilla stuff need to be removed are unreasonable, and not worth even giving attention. This isn't even something unique to Subverse either. You will find these guys in any doujin site's galleries. They're a known meme. They go into galleries with NTR and then cry that it didn't end the way they wanted it too, because they refuse to accept that not everyone only likes vanilla and ants to ban other stuff like they do. The majority of the people who are like that are only on their Steam forums. You'll rarely find those kind of guys continuously posting on reddit, here, or their own discord. It's just the normy grifters that look in, complain, then forget the game exists, or drop it immediately. The issue with FOW's direction on the game is them putting too much focus on the Steam feedback, which is where the bulk of these unreasonable complaints came from. They not only gave them more attention that the rest of their fanbase, but allowed them to dictate these kind of changes to begin with. These kind of players will never be happy, unless the content is completely neutered for them.

EDIT: Go check the Dev Diary steam post's comment section. There's a bunch of them being salty that they'll be futa and other stuff this patch. When you're done with that, skim through their reddit or discord. Even with the boot lickers who constantly go ham over any form of critic clustering in their discord server, you'll rarely see anyone asking for the same thing the steam normies are. Those guys are the kind of people who never heard of Studio Fow before Subverse and thought this would be Mass Effect 3, but with porn.

 

[TheUnsaid]

IG88a
I think you can be disappointed in a game but still want to offer constructive criticism.

I've already made a full post talking about my direct disappointments with Subverse as a game and how I don't have expectations for it sexually.
EDIT: But for me there's a bunch of reasons for that. I don't like 99% of the content StudioFOW puts out normally, and I prefer erotic content in adult games be integrated in the main game seamlessly. This isn't the case for everyone. Some people enjoy 99% of the content Fow puts out. Some people want to be able to toggle off adult content in a game and play in SFW mode or wtv.

At this point, I mostly make points and come back to the thread to finger the pulse of the game, and see how people are viewing their design decisions, while trying to give ideas of how the game can be improved.

That being said, I also think Subverse devs were kinda cowards about the sexual content that was going to be in their game, and were really scared of the normy audience they managed to mysteriously draw. Heck I think they even got gameranx from YouTube talking about them like Mass Effect with porn though that vid got taken down. Lol if only they knew what kind of content FOW made before XD.

And unlike subverse the beast content is actual beast content. No "Chodestool" not having a red rocket.

Oh StudioFOW isn't really into bestiality I think? For all intents and purposes they are, but technically... They aren't the SFM animators that made laura croft get fucked by that horse. They get off to "monsters" from like Taimanin Asagi and shit. Straight up bestiality isn't something you'd see in Japanese hentai, so I don't think they care about trying to make animal parts feel like animal parts.

It's not about suggestions, it's about weird kinks complaining how the game wasn't tailored exactly to their taste or how it's completely ruined if there's even one thing they don't like. It's about the self-entitled twats who think that their opinion exactly is the one the DEVs should listen. It's about the people who seemingly think that the users on this forum are FOWs main customer base. It's also about the fanboys who are completely blind to any flaws in the game. It's about the people who should be beaten down back to reality.

Would really help if you like... quoted someone.

Basically NBV hit it spot on.

I agree, the people whining "NOOO NTR!!!!" and only that are a problem and their being selfish, but there's nobody currently active in this thread doing that.

The issue with FOW's direction on the game is them putting too much focus on the Steam feedback, which is where the bulk of these unreasonable complaints came from. They not only gave them more attention that the rest of their fanbase, but allowed them to dictate these kind of changes to begin with.

I was legit surprised when they added that dating system. Following this game on and off, that was a big ass whiplash. Like the game wasn't designed for that, but after checking steam feedback and looking through their reddit, I can see who they listened to.

Those guys are the kind of people who never heard of Studio Fow before Subverse and thought this would be Mass Effect 3, but with porn.

Where'd this comparison start do you know? I don't remember the team ever explicitly saying it was gonna be that, but the idea of Mass Effect 3 with porn made its rounds.

 

[Razrback16]

A change that i'd like, is to still be able to unlock the scene in Pandora but get a very short quest/story where it's introduced to you and seeing how most of them are either related to the MC or the mantics, they wouldn't have to go out of their way to make that change.

Great suggestion. I think I saw someone mention something similar some weeks back where they had said something along the lines of you unlock whatever the 'scene' is in pandora but instead of the scene happening in Pandora, it happens shortly thereafter on the ship as an event - for example you walk into the bar and there is a dialogue option with Killi that leads into the narrative scene with her that you had just unlocked - this would provide better narrative integration and add dialogue etc to it to increase eroticism.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

My 2 cents about how sex content should be reworked In-game.

1) Longer animations, even if it means fewer scenes added.

2) Integrate the sex scenes into the story. It works well with Kily's recruitment scene

3) Add some talking to the action during sex scenes

4) Add a preference button to allow people to skip content they dislike, but still show the content anyway to create maximum rage and drama

I endorse this all whole-heartedly.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

It's hard for me to be too angry at FOW for taking the money and 100k fans...I get it, artistic vision is one thing, paying the bills is another...but I wasn't even aware they were making changes based on Steam feedback to get the content more vanilla. I would be sad, but I think there are new artists and developers upcoming who could become the 'new' FOW...able to fill the content void that they no longer are...so it's all good in the end.

 

[Deleted member 324588]

It's hard for me to be too angry at FOW for taking the money and 100k fans...I get it, artistic vision is one thing, paying the bills is another...but I wasn't even aware they were making changes based on Steam feedback to get the content more vanilla. I would be sad, but I think there are new artists and developers upcoming who could become the 'new' FOW...able to fill the content void that they no longer are...so it's all good in the end.

Yeah I wouldn't be worried about that. Just based on the previews on the update post and twitter, there'll be a healthy balance of scenes being added.

 

[Kernist]

It's hard for me to be too angry at FOW for taking the money and 100k fans...I get it, artistic vision is one thing, paying the bills is another...but I wasn't even aware they were making changes based on Steam feedback to get the content more vanilla. I would be sad, but I think there are new artists and developers upcoming who could become the 'new' FOW...able to fill the content void that they no longer are...so it's all good in the end.

Yeah, but I am worried how much impact on normies this game's KS had. It was so successful everyone heard about it and a lot of people who normally have a rule to not pay for porn decided to give it a chance. It had a lot of controversies, very good jokes and ridiculing in the trailer, sjws were crying on twitter... everyone loved Subverse for it. This game was supposed to be the one which will ascend the porn game industry into light and making people believe it can be a serious market. Everyone was talking about it and what? We got what we got. I can't even imagine how many people felt discouraged enough to never financially back any porn game in the future. It could be seen with following campaign of Mirror 2 which looked interesting in my opinion but was Ks's massive failure. For me Subverse alone was a reason i made a KS account and was also a reason why I will never back anything on this site again. So yeah, someone will fill the gap, the question is who will give new studio a chance and will be willing to pay upfront for anything.

 

[Razrback16]

Yeah, but I am worried how much impact on normies this game's KS had. It was so successful everyone heard about it and a lot of people who normally have a rule to not pay for porn decided to give it a chance. It had a lot of controversies, very good jokes and ridiculing in the trailer, sjws were crying on twitter... everyone loved Subverse for it. This game was supposed to be the one which will ascend the porn game industry into light and making people believe it can be a serious market. Everyone was talking about it and what? We got what we got. I can't even imagine how many people felt discouraged enough to never financially back any porn game in the future. It could be seen with following campaign of Mirror 2 which looked interesting in my opinion but was Ks's massive failure. For me Subverse alone was a reason i made a KS account and was also a reason why I will never back anything on this site again. So yeah, someone will fill the gap, the question is who will give new studio a chance and will be willing to pay upfront for anything.

You were able to get a chargeback when they changed the early access rewards, right?

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

I like to think this update has taken a long time because they actually worked on fixing the games issues. Maybe I'm just naive, but game development for certain takes a lot of time. Especially with a small inexperienced team(which FOW was very transparent about from the beginning). As someone who actually bought the game, I'm still fairly confident in the games ability to deliver in the future. If it doesn't though, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

 

[Kernist]

You were able to get a chargeback when they changed the early access rewards, right?

Yeah, I acted fast enough, back when i called it a scam almost everyone was against me. Look how the tables have turned, now even people who paid 250 pounds admit they deeply regret it.

 

[Razrback16]

Yeah, I acted fast enough, back when i called it a scam almost everyone was against me. Look how the tables have turned, now even people who paid 250 pounds admit they deeply regret it.

Ya I remember seeing you comment on the KS site I think. I honestly don't blame you - while I never backed since I missed the window, I'm grateful I didn't. When they initially announced the removal of EA, I sympathized with all the backers bigtime - I would have also pursued a chargeback had I been in your shoes.

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Yeah, I acted fast enough, back when i called it a scam almost everyone was against me. Look how the tables have turned, now even people who paid 250 pounds admit they deeply regret it.

I regret it, but I don't think it was a scam. I believe they honestly tried and thought they could deliver something incredible based on their previous work. Somewhere in the realities and implementation of it all, it went astray. I don't feel so burned I wouldn't support another developer in the future, or hell, even FOW if they went back to making animations, which is demonstrably in their wheelhouse. You always know with Kickstarter and Patreon that you're taking a risk. That said, you did call it early, I give you credit for that.

 

[Kernist]

I regret it, but I don't think it was a scam. I believe they honestly tried and thought they could deliver something incredible based on their previous work. Somewhere in the realities and implementation of it all, it went astray. I don't feel so burned I wouldn't support another developer in the future, or hell, even FOW if they went back to making animations, which is demonstrably in their wheelhouse. You always know with Kickstarter and Patreon that you're taking a risk. That said, you did call it early, I give you credit for that.

I don't call it's scam because it didn't meet expectations, I called it a scam because they openly told tier rewards will not be fulfilled because they think it's better for the game that way. If rewards turns out unsatisfactory - bad luck, risk of backing. If dev openly says they are able to fulfill rewards but they won't because they decided it's not worth it - that's a scam. "We want for people to have full experience, that's why we will release the game in the full so you won't wait months for next update". Yeah, we all know now how it went...

 

[NBV]

I like to think this update has taken a long time because they actually worked on fixing the games issues. Maybe I'm just naive, but game development for certain takes a lot of time. Especially with a small inexperienced team(which FOW was very transparent about from the beginning). As someone who actually bought the game, I'm still fairly confident in the games ability to deliver in the future. If it doesn't though, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong.

I also bought the game on it's EA release. Being inexperienced and going through a bunch of foibles is fine for your first ever game. It's why I've said that I won't judge them on any of their actual gameplay aspects of Subverse, such as the ship parts or the ground combat. It's their first rodeo into doing combat gameplay, so I'm not going to be too critical much they don't get right on their first try. Expecting massive gameplay features is unreasonable IMO. What I do believe they should be able to take harsh criticism of is their porn scenes, since they've done this kind of work for years. Even if the Pandora system didn't exist and we could encounter sex scenes through the story, there's still one major thing they are shirking out on. All the sex scenes currently in the game are only 30 second long loops. They are just glorified webms at this point. It doesn't matter if the next patch gives us 50 more scenes, if they're all still just 30 second loops again. My experience when dealing with their reddit mods, reading their Steam mod replies, and actually dealing with their Discord mods/staff members has shown me that they aren't too keen on hearing negative feedback on certain features. Their staff on all three sites have literally banned, deleted posts, or flat out told people who are giving the same critic of Pandora that they are simply in the minority, as if to tell them that their complaints aren't big enough to listen to. It wasn't until they started getting lots of bad PR for how they handled this stuff that they started addressing "massive changes to Pandora" in their dev notes.

I literally posted screenshots of their staff either silencing a specific kind of critic people were rallying behind, or flat out telling users things are too far done to be changed, or their mods lying about certain features. Hell, we even had the two simps here at one point denying that the sex scenes were 30 second loops over a hundred of pages ago. I had to screenshot a folder showing video files recorded of every single sex scene in the game, with time stamps to how long they actually were for them to drop it.

EDIT: If they were better at handling feedback and didn't pass blame or lie about so much things, I'd be as hopeful as you were. Their last dev diary's whole bottom half is them excusing all their management mistakes on their "senior" members being too old.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

I also bought the game on it's EA release. Being inexperienced and going through a bunch of foibles is fine for your first ever game. It's why I've said that I won't judge them on any of their actual gameplay aspects of Subverse, such as the ship parts or the ground combat. It's their first rodeo into doing combat gameplay, so I'm not going to be too critical much they don't get right on their first try. Expecting massive gameplay features is unreasonable IMO. What I do believe they should be able to take harsh criticism of is their porn scenes, since they've done this kind of work for years. Even if the Pandora system didn't exist and we could encounter sex scenes through the story, there's still one major thing they are shirking out on. All the sex scenes currently in the game are only 30 second long loops. They are just glorified webms at this point. It doesn't matter if the next patch gives us 50 more scenes, if they're all still just 30 second loops again. My experience when dealing with their reddit mods, reading their Steam mod replies, and actually dealing with their Discord mods/staff members has shown me that they aren't too keen on hearing negative feedback on certain features. Their staff on all three sites have literally banned, deleted posts, or flat out told people who are giving the same critic of Pandora that they are simply in the minority, as if to tell them that their complaints aren't big enough to listen to. It wasn't until they started getting lots of bad PR for how they handled this stuff that they started addressing "massive changes to Pandora" in their dev notes.

I literally posted screenshots of their staff either silencing a specific kind of critic people were rallying behind, or flat out telling users things are too far done to be changed, or their mods lying about certain features. Hell, we even had the two simps here at one point denying that the sex scenes were 30 second loops over a hundred of pages ago. I had to screenshot a folder showing video files recorded of every single sex scene in the game, with time stamps to how long they actually were for them to drop it.

EDIT: If they were better at handling feedback and didn't pass blame or lie about so much things, I'd be as hopeful as you were. Their last dev diary's whole bottom half is them excusing all their management mistakes on their "senior" members being too old.

I don't really know too much about their PR or anything, nor do I really care, but I would imagine it would get really annoying seeing people dwell on the same criticisms, so I can understand if they're a little bit douchebag-ish. I mean, people treat this game as if it's a final product and not subject to change. I'd probably start banning people and deleting shit too. PR is a rough business. Generally, PR guys are never trained for the job, have no control over the direction of the game, it's almost never their sole position, they likely don't get paid any extra for it, and nerds are notoriously repetitive, nitpicky, and argumentative. I'm not defending their poor behavior by any means, but I completely understand why they might act that way. It's not a job I envy.

 

[NBV]

I don't really know too much about their PR or anything, nor do I really care, but I would imagine it would get really annoying seeing people dwell on the same criticisms, so I can understand if they're a little bit douchebag-ish. I mean, people treat this game as if it's a final product and not subject to change. I'd probably start banning people and deleting shit too. PR is a rough business. Generally, PR guys are never trained for the job, have no control over the direction of the game, it's almost never their sole position, they likely don't get paid any extra for it, and nerds are notoriously repetitive, nitpicky, and argumentative. I'm not defending their poor behavior by any means, but I completely understand why they might act that way. It's not a job I envy.

Good thing you're not PR then, because that's the text book stuff the worse kind do. It's the kind of stuff mainstream developers and game companies get shit on for, which is completely justified. People take all kinds of criticism all the time and not resort to banning users on false reasons. Even before Subverse was a thing, Studio FOW was notorious for having ban happy people in their moderation teams or devs (for their animations) who loved to lie and make up shoddy excuses for things. This is just them doing it on a larger scale audience. Taking a complaint that's clearly not the minority opinion (even on Steam, people have issues with Pandora) and saying that it is to shut it down is not only terrible PR, but it obviously leads to situations where the devs are being fed bullshit by their own community management team. Their bad management throughout the whole project has gotten so bad that they think the issue is that they have a bunch of older adults on their team, and that bringing in younger people will somehow solve the issue.

On the senior level some of us have worked in software development for many decades. Maybe that is the issue. 21st century porn software development is not the business of old men who were born in the first half of the 20th century. Futa, mantics, the anal destruction of robot ladies, the trajectory of explosive fluids from footlong schlongs were never discussed in my classical Latin studies classes. Nor did we create such things on our Commodore 64’s. However, my Latin teacher often said: “Nil satis nisi optimum”. Therefore, we’ve hired young managers to drive this unique game forward, and we will keep hiring the best young talent to make the operation stronger. By learning from the mistakes of the past and with the energy of youth we can speed the releases up. Quod nocet, saepe docet. Our goal is to push a large release every 3-4 months. By gaining more and more experience in game application development we are confident that we can achieve such more frequent release schedule.

This is the kind of logic pushing them forward. They clearly have no idea what they're doing on the management level at this point. They're essentially going to pull what is akin to diversity hires instead of quality ones, focusing on hiring an age group over prioritizing those more fit for the job in general. They still haven't DIRECTLY addressed whether or no they plan to add some context dialogue to the beginning of Pandora sex scenes, something many have asked for. A simple, "We're not sure we can do that right now, but we've acknowledged this complaint" can do wonders for PR. They instead continue to release blanket statements on improving Pandora, so nobody knows what we should we expecting in the next update.

 

[CUNTBLAZER420]

Good thing you're not PR then, because that's the text book stuff the worse kind do. It's the kind of stuff mainstream developers and game companies get shit on for, which is completely justified. People take all kinds of criticism all the time and not resort to banning users on false reasons. Even before Subverse was a thing, Studio FOW was notorious for having ban happy people in their moderation teams or devs (for their animations) who loved to lie and make up shoddy excuses for things. This is just them doing it on a larger scale audience. Taking a complaint that's clearly not the minority opinion (even on Steam, people have issues with Pandora) and saying that it is to shut it down is not only terrible PR, but it obviously leads to situations where the devs are being fed bullshit by their own community management team. Their bad management throughout the whole project has gotten so bad that they think the issue is that they have a bunch of older adults on their team, and that bringing in younger people will somehow solve the issue.



This is the kind of logic pushing them forward. They clearly have no idea what they're doing on the management level at this point. They're essentially going to pull what is akin to diversity hires instead of quality ones, focusing on hiring an age group over prioritizing those more fit for the job in general. They still haven't DIRECTLY addressed whether or no they plan to add some context dialogue to the beginning of Pandora sex scenes, something many have asked for. A simple, "We're not sure we can do that right now, but we've acknowledged this complaint" can do wonders for PR. They instead continue to release blanket statements on improving Pandora, so nobody knows what we should we expecting in the next update.

Dude, at this point, you're just putting way too much effort into thinking about this. You're stressing yourself out over something that's completely out of your control and ultimately pointless. You can't stop them and you can't change their mind. These kinds of things you've just got to step back and say "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown".

 

[kasata]

wall of text Andies

 

[NBV]

Dude, at this point, you're just putting way too much effort into thinking about this. You're stressing yourself out over something that's completely out of your control and ultimately pointless. You can't stop them and you can't change their mind. These kinds of things you've just got to step back and say "Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown".

I'm not stressing out over anything. I'm reading your post and replying accordingly, so please stop projecting.