Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[MenmaYu]

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Bricky review pointing out a lot of good positives and a LOT of negatives

I actually saw the vid, that's why I came here asap lol

 

[Joshua Tree]

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Bricky review pointing out a lot of good positives and a LOT of negatives

People need to bash on him right away because his views on the story right?

 

[goblinraider]

But the higher budget is like one of the biggest points though. Its success can show others that they can put more money and effort into adult games and still make a profit.

From what it looks like from this game, it's going to show others that they can put in the minimum possible effort and still make a profit.

 

[Pikachu2k]

All the game elements is described in the kickstarter, so if people did back it for other reasons, that would be on them right?

I must have missed the part where the pitch stated "will contain only minimum amount of porn with almost no relation to the rest".

Obviously FOW was counting on people backing their thing based on the conception that it would at least be remotely close to their movies - pretending that to be otherwise is highly hypocritical.

But you do you, it's hard to miss that you'd defend them to the last drop of blood no matter what anyway.

 

[SajuukKhar]

From what it looks like from this game, it's going to show others that they can put in the minimum possible effort and still make a profit.

If this is minimum effort what are things like summertime Saga, Wild Life, and all these DAZ 3D VNs? No effort games?

 

[Gwedelino]

If this is minimum effort what are things like summertime Saga, Wild Life, and all these DAZ 3D VNs? No effort games?

Subverse is a game big enough to have his own dramas, don't bring more games to the discussion...

 

[Archonde]

Holy shit guys, it's a fucking game for you to jerk off, not something like Cyberpunk who promised many things and delayed it so many times, to end up being a complete broken shit.
Also, i see many people complaining about the sex scenes. Should I remind you that, apart from very few games, the rest of the sex scenes in other games are a visual novel without sound and that the only mechanic in the entire game is click in one of the two options?
Hell, this game is only in V0.1 and it has dubbed dialogues, 4/5 hours of gameplay and although for now they are only loops, actually animated sex scenes.

I see it like a total win.

 

[TheUnsaid]

I must have missed the part ... almost no relation to the rest".

Then you're deaf.
They specifically said that you have to unlock the scenes, and that you can AVOID scenes that you don't want to see... so people who don't want to see dog-fucker heroines don't have to.

You think the adult scenes can matter if they're COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE?

The fact that you didn't see this coming is on you.

minimum possible effort

I say this as someone who dislikes the game greatly.
You've got to be joking.

 

[Pikachu2k]

They specifically said that you have to unlock the scenes, and that you can AVOID scenes that you don't want to see... so people who don't want to see dog-fucker heroines don't have to.

You think the adult scenes can matter if they're COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE?

The fact that you didn't see this coming is on you.

I'm pretty sure all of that was not even remotely detailed during the funding phase. And the first details given for Pandora were a LOT more complex than what we ended up getting as well.

And strangely enough I've read a good amount of VNs with H scenes that are completely integrated in the plot on PC and not included at all on Switch, but somehow they managed to make both versions feel fully seamless with at best minimal changes done to the rest.

That said, I did expect to whole thing to at best be okay-ish, just not that the most disappointing thing would be the one they've built their name on previously.

 

[Readerf2b]

Holy shit guys, it's a fucking game for you to jerk off, not something like Cyberpunk who promised many things and delayed it so many times, to end up being a complete broken shit.
Also, i see many people complaining about the sex scenes. Should I remind you that, apart from very few games, the rest of the sex scenes in other games are a visual novel without sound and that the only mechanic in the entire game is click in one of the two options?
Hell, this game is only in V0.1 and it has dubbed dialogues, 4/5 hours of gameplay and although for now they are only loops, actually animated sex scenes.

I see it like a total win.

And here we dont have sex scenes at all - its just loops with no context to them. Comparing gameplay is pointless, no one will play it for gameplay.

 

[Joshua Tree]

And here we dont have sex scenes at all - its just loops with no context to them. Comparing gameplay is pointless, no one will play it for gameplay.

Ignore whatever they said about what to come and just judge it all on the early access release. At same time we should create a big dumpster fire and throw every 0.1 release of any game on this site that isn't released as a full game with it right?

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Holy shit guys, it's a fucking game for you to jerk off, not something like Cyberpunk who promised many things and delayed it so many times, to end up being a complete broken shit.
Also, i see many people complaining about the sex scenes. Should I remind you that, apart from very few games, the rest of the sex scenes in other games are a visual novel without sound and that the only mechanic in the entire game is click in one of the two options?
Hell, this game is only in V0.1 and it has dubbed dialogues, 4/5 hours of gameplay and although for now they are only loops, actually animated sex scenes.

I see it like a total win.

Its unfortunate that folks can't share positive opinions or outlooks on the game, else they're called a shill fanboy. And the ones that are vehemently pessimistic are generally just people who've been burned by AAA titles so much they just can't help but see the worse case scenario in everything.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Its unfortunate that folks can't share positive opinions or outlooks on the game, else they're called a shill fanboy. And the ones that are vehemently pessimistic are generally just people who've been burned by AAA titles so much they just can't help but see the worse case scenario in everything.

You can't really rate Subverse as an AAA title though (maybe if you just confine it in a niche of adult games). As the guy from the review linked earlier said, you don't get much game for 2 mill (or what he said) nowadays, hence early access for injection of funds...

Problem is at large people buying into early access and go "what? is this all?", not really grasping early access at all. I'm all for valid critic. There been some nice reviews around that pointed out both upsides and downsides. Some people just take it to far imho. Take like F76 and Cyberpunk as example. They became everyones favorite to dogpile on. People had to overdo each other in serve up the biggest pile of shit to be the most relevant.

 

[TheUnsaid]

I'm pretty sure all of that was not even remotely detailed during the funding phase.

I understood this by the first month. Before the funding period even ended.
They've been clear since the very beginning that they KNOW their tastes don't appeal generally and that the scenes were a choice from the player.

And strangely enough I've read a good amount of VNs with H scenes that are completely integrated in the plot on PC

That would be better, I 100% agree.
But StudioFOW were cowards. They had no faith in their sexual content (which honestly turned out to be true considering how many complaints people have to the sexual content)
So they split the sexual content from the main game entirely and made it player choice.

Just because I agree with you it'd make a better game if the adult stuff actually mattered in the plot doesn't mean I don't understand their decision for doing it the way they did.

That said, I did expect to whole thing to at best be okay-ish, just not that the most disappointing thing would be the one they've built their name on previously.

This statement makes no sense.

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Again, I dislike subverse, but your complaints have mostly been that they fooled you.
They didn't. If you don't like what you got it's because you weren't listening when they told you what they were giving you.

Holy shit guys, it's a fucking game for you to jerk off, not something like Cyberpunk who promised many things and delayed it so many times, to end up being a complete broken shit.
Also, i see many people complaining about the sex scenes. Should I remind you that, apart from very few games, the rest of the sex scenes in other games are a visual novel without sound and that the only mechanic in the entire game is click in one of the two options?
Hell, this game is only in V0.1 and it has dubbed dialogues, 4/5 hours of gameplay and although for now they are only loops, actually animated sex scenes.

I see it like a total win.

Lol I guess you don't have standards.
Why compare this game to DAZ VNs btw? Compare it to other $2 million projects... oh wait.

This game is not as fun as other games I've played that have way less money put into them, and it's a shame because it's a big $2 million project.

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Literally what is this community... How can you like these games and also like StudioFOW. It makes no sense.

 

[Kardie222]

Its unfortunate that folks can't share positive opinions or outlooks on the game, else they're called a shill fanboy. And the ones that are vehemently pessimistic are generally just people who've been burned by AAA titles so much they just can't help but see the worse case scenario in everything.

But there is such thing as being extremely over the top optimistic and that is no better than being extremly over the top pessimistic.

 

[Joshua Tree]

This game is not as fun as other games I've played that have way less money put into them, and it's a shame because it's a big $2 million project.

I played games that was sure as hell worse fun than this one too, so fun is relative.

2 mill today is not big in any sense or form when considering game development that involve medium sized studios. After a couple years you burned through most of it.

 

[Kardie222]

You can't really rate Subverse as an AAA title though (maybe if you just confine it in a niche of adult games). As the guy from the review linked earlier said, you don't get much game for 2 mill (or what he said) nowadays, hence early access for injection of funds...

Problem is at large people buying into early access and go "what? is this all?", not really grasping early access at all. I'm all for valid critic. There been some nice reviews around that pointed out both upsides and downsides. Some people just take it to far imho. Take like F76 and Cyberpunk as example. They became everyones favorite to dogpile on. People had to overdo each other in serve up the biggest pile of shit to be the most relevant.

Well Cybperpunk maybe, but F76 deserved everything it got.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Well Cybperpunk maybe, but F76 deserved everything it got.

And still... F76 is quite enjoyable to play these days, it come a long way. As for Cyberpunk I played through it without much issues at all.

So dogpile on Subverse now without even know how the final result will be is just a waste of calories imho..

 

[Kardie222]

And still... F76 is quite enjoyable to play these days, it come a long way. As for Cyberpunk I played through it without much issues at all.

So dogpile on Subverse now without even know how the final result will be is just a waste of calories imho..

Yeah these days, but look how long to took to get there. I mean it deserved what it got because it was made by billion dollar company who for years were notorious for buggy games on a aging engine.

It's not like Beth was a small time studio releasing their first game. There is a difference between a company's first rodeo and a company that's gained billions and been in the industry over 2 decades.

 

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Bricky review pointing out a lot of good positives and a LOT of negatives

Good vid. Not sure how many of his critiques can be changed (i.e the script, as its likely been fully recorded already), but if they're making enough from EA sales, they might be able to rewrite later portions of the game. One can hope.