Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Deleted member 324588]

This whole logic just reeks of a 'rules for thee but not for me' mindset. The captain can have as many ladies as he wants, but heaven forbid they might shag something else or each other. They already capitulated by not having it in the story, but the mere hint of a sentence somewhere is apparently enough to Inception the idea in your mind, and it will forever haunt your dreams.

I think that says more about you than the game frankly.

 

[Razrback16]

This whole logic just reeks of a 'rules for thee but not for me' mindset. The captain can have as many ladies as he wants, but heaven forbid they might shag something else or each other.

Not even remotely. People are different, dude. While some are okay with and even look for the xeno stuff, some people don't like the idea of their romantic interests banging monsters, and who says every player necessarily wanted to have a harem? Some players will for sure, but some would have been interested in narrowing things down to an actual romance interest. I know a number of people who play games that are on this site with multiple love interest options and will spend 20-30 hours playing the game and, despite all those options, they will stay completely loyal to their favorite waifu because they are more interested in the romance / intimacy of the story with that waifu than they are with maximizing sex scenes.

They already capitulated by not having it in the story

It *IS* in the story, bro. That's the point, here. It's NOT optional. It's in dialogue. It's in the codex. It. Is. Canon, whether the player unlocks those scenes or not.

but the mere hint of a sentence somewhere is apparently enough to Inception the idea in your mind, and it will forever haunt your dreams.

I think that says more about you than the game frankly.

Bring all the personal attacks you want. I don't care. The bottom line is that this design decision did cost Studio Fow sales.

 

[Wolfeinsam]

Not even remotely. People are different, dude. While some are okay with and even look for the xeno stuff, some people don't like the idea of their romantic interests banging monsters, and who says every player necessarily wanted to have a harem? Some players will for sure, but some would have been interested in narrowing things down to an actual romance interest. I know a number of people who play games that are on this site with multiple love interest options and will spend 20-30 hours playing the game and, despite all those options, they will stay completely loyal to their favorite waifu because they are more interested in the romance / intimacy of the story with that waifu than they are with maximizing sex scenes.



It *IS* in the story, bro. That's the point, here. It's NOT optional. It's in dialogue. It's in the codex. It. Is. Canon, whether the player unlocks those scenes or not.



Bring all the personal attacks you want. I don't care. The bottom line is that this design decision did cost Studio Fow sales.

Their previous content was already not receiving your funds, so it's not your absence that will change anything for their game...

And considering the detail that bothers you, I invite you to discover the fabulous world of fanfics, where people who don't like the official lore of a universe can modify it in their head.

Being jealous of fictitious characters doesn't seem to be very good for the mind.

 

[Razrback16]

Their previous content was already not receiving your funds, so it's not your absence that will change anything for their game...

And considering the detail that bothers you, I invite you to discover the fabulous world of fanfics, where people who don't like the official lore of a universe can modify it in their head.

Being jealous of fictitious characters doesn't seem to be very good for the mind.

Oh I agree, they won't miss a sale to me, no biggie. That's why I'm a big fan of freedom of creativity. Companies can make the products they want, and as consumers, we can decide what's worth our money and what isn't.

 

[Thrway8113]

This whole logic just reeks of a 'rules for thee but not for me' mindset. The captain can have as many ladies as he wants, but heaven forbid they might shag something else or each other. They already capitulated by not having it in the story, but the mere hint of a sentence somewhere is apparently enough to Inception the idea in your mind, and it will forever haunt your dreams.

I think that says more about you than the game frankly.

Why so mad over some people disagreeing with you on something? At the end of the day, what was said is true - it's not an optional piece of the story no matter how angry it makes you to admit. Some people are fine with it, and some aren't. Can't make everybody happy. Some people would have preferred they went even further into NTR / Cuck territory by making the player watch it, too, but as you noted, they chose not to go that far, and honestly, since they are pushing this xeno stuff in the canon narrative, they probably should have just gone all the way for the NTR / Cuck audience as they clearly didn't have any desire to put romance / exclusivity into it for the other side.

That's why I feel like if they had made certain aspects optional, either at the beginning of the game before launch, or even via dialogue / event options as I've even seen some devs comment about here, that would have gone a long way to making it fit what both sides were looking for.

Their previous content was already not receiving your funds, so it's not your absence that will change anything for their game...

And considering the detail that bothers you, I invite you to discover the fabulous world of fanfics, where people who don't like the official lore of a universe can modify it in their head.

Being jealous of fictitious characters doesn't seem to be very good for the mind.

I've never been able to get into fanfics, personally. They seem to be rarely well-made / well-written. But ya, ultimately with Subverse, I'm out, too, in terms of buying it. I almost backed it on kickstarter back in the day, but dodged that bullet. I'll still try to help out around here with torrents and the like, but definitely never buying it as I just don't feel good about forcing that kind of fringe content on the audience if they aren't into it, should have been optional.

I think the part that makes me a little sad is that this game could have had an even bigger impact had they done some choice implementation better - both sides could have been made very happy, but it is what it is. I saw a post a while back from a developer on here who'd made some really good suggestions on how they could have tied pandora scene unlocks into event / narrative content so as to nudge some of the content as needed to fit the player's personal kinks while not compromising the main story narrative and that could have eliminated the forced xeno angle making it something the player could just select and unlock and effectively enable so that those dialogues that talk about it enable making them canon for that player's universe - that would have been AWESOME and I would have been all-in on that, but hey, maybe there will be a Subverse 2 that might explore that a little more.

they won't miss a sale to me

Yeah, I don't worry at all about the bottom line of companies out there - if they make a product that I love and want more of then I throw money at them. If they don't, then I reciprocate accordingly. Capitalism is great.

 

[Wolfeinsam]

I've never been able to get into fanfics, personally. They seem to be rarely well-made / well-written. But ya, ultimately with Subverse, I'm out, too, in terms of buying it. I almost backed it on kickstarter back in the day, but dodged that bullet. I'll still try to help out around here with torrents and the like, but definitely never buying it as I just don't feel good about forcing that kind of fringe content on the audience if they aren't into it, should have been optional.

What I really meant with fanfiction is that you are free to rewrite the version you like best in your corner. Without having to wait for someone else to do it. (as long as you don't make money on it, of course)

This studio is known for a very specific content. You seem to have asked about them, so you don't have to spend money on content you don't like. Which is already much more than others who came crying here in the past and wanted to impose their taste to the developers...

 

[Thrway8113]

What I really meant with fanfiction is that you are free to rewrite the version you like best in your corner. Without having to wait for someone else to do it. (as long as you don't make money on it, of course)

This studio is known for a very specific content. You seem to have asked about them, so you don't have to spend money on content you don't like. Which is already much more than others who came crying here in the past and wanted to impose their taste to the developers...

I see; writing fanfic really isn't something I have any desire to do, but I appreciate the suggestion.

I don't get too worked up over this stuff. Like I mentioned in my last post, I'm a big fan of capitalism. When a game like Subverse is out and some of the content just isn't to my liking, I just figure no big deal, the game wasn't made for me, so I'll just give it an honest look (thanks to F95 for providing what essentially amounts to a taste test platform to help people avoid buyer's remorse), and spend my money elsewhere on games that are. There are some other games I've checked out on here recently that are more up my alley that I've turned around and purchased on Steam to support the developers on. I very much enjoy supporting companies that make products I want more of.

 

[IG88a]

This whole logic just reeks of a 'rules for thee but not for me' mindset. The captain can have as many ladies as he wants, but heaven forbid they might shag something else or each other. They already capitulated by not having it in the story, but the mere hint of a sentence somewhere is apparently enough to Inception the idea in your mind, and it will forever haunt your dreams.

I think that says more about you than the game frankly.

Way to SIMP for imaginary characters in a porngame about transactional sex and monster rape.

You really have no standards.
It isn't the cope of simulated "agency" of the girls, it's a lack of agency of the player character.
There isn't a single choice decision in the entire game.
Captain Underwear can't choose his companions, he can't choose who he has sex with much less romance, he can't choose who comes on his ship, he can't choose quests. (a mechanics based choice due to all content being nonoptional to progress) The fact he has the "choice" of watching the videofeeds of monsters and "crew" fucking women on his bed, as everything available in the pandora is canonical and happened, is only one of many examples of poor game design and game construction.

The fact you're defending this and the game taking 7 months (implying) to get more cutscenes added and another leg of minigame "progression" says more about you than the game frankly.

 

[DashRaider]

It just seems comical to me how FOW shows models of girls, sexy images of conceptual art on their twitter, but nowhere does it really present that the main game are two uninteresting non-sexual stereotypical minigames. Another minus is the mentioned dialogues, which we can only listen and read, there is no choice. Sex clips are ridiculous. I really wish Subverse was a 90 minute animated video, not a game like this.



I tried to give it another chance after a few days of break, but when I didn't manage to fight the boss in act 2, I threw it away. I really don't have half a day to practice maneuvering with a spaceship, firing at an enemy for 5 minutes and then dying because I didn't avoid one deadly hit. No checkpoint, no continue with three lives or anything. I just don't like repeating the whole battle over and over from the beginning. It's a really ultra boring game without creative game mechanics.

You can't choose which character you will have sex with, what type of sex, such as oral, pussy or anal, tender or rough type of sex. I really don't see the motivation to play this game.

My suggestion:
Based on the success of the mission, the type of sex could be unlocked (bronze score - oral sex animation, silver score - pussy sex animation, golden score - anal sex animation), dialogue choices could open up trust and thus more sexual variants (bonding, violent sex , romantic lovemaking)

Here is an example of what Subverse is in terms of concept now.

 

[Joshua Tree]

well honsetly my excitement is gone its been too long i given up the buying this game

You, just download completed games from this site then? You have games around here that been going on for years.

 

[Joshua Tree]

Way to SIMP for imaginary characters in a porngame about transactional sex and monster rape.

You really have no standards.
It isn't the cope of simulated "agency" of the girls, it's a lack of agency of the player character.
There isn't a single choice decision in the entire game.
Captain Underwear can't choose his companions, he can't choose who he has sex with much less romance, he can't choose who comes on his ship, he can't choose quests. (a mechanics based choice due to all content being nonoptional to progress) The fact he has the "choice" of watching the videofeeds of monsters and "crew" fucking women on his bed, as everything available in the pandora is canonical and happened, is only one of many examples of poor game design and game construction.

The fact you're defending this and the game taking 7 months (implying) to get more cutscenes added and another leg of minigame "progression" says more about you than the game frankly.

Majority of games have a over arching story you need to follow, some give choices along the road, others just railroad you from point a to b... What you are asking for is a sandbox with total freedom, to opt out of everything you don't like. Sorry Bob but majority of games doesn't work like that...

As for choice, well you can select what waifu that tag along on space missions, and who does ground combat. They got different perks. Pandora give you every choice you want in regard of what scenes you want to see that is not included in the story progression.

 

[Joshua Tree]

It just seems comical to me how FOW shows models of girls, sexy images of conceptual art on their twitter, but nowhere does it really present that the main game are two uninteresting non-sexual stereotypical minigames. Another minus is the mentioned dialogues, which we can only listen and read, there is no choice. Sex clips are ridiculous. I really wish Subverse was a 90 minute animated video, not a game like this.

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I tried to give it another chance after a few days of break, but when I didn't manage to fight the boss in act 2, I threw it away. I really don't have half a day to practice maneuvering with a spaceship, firing at an enemy for 5 minutes and then dying because I didn't avoid one deadly hit. No checkpoint, no continue with three lives or anything. I just don't like repeating the whole battle over and over from the beginning. It's a really ultra boring game without creative game mechanics.

You can't choose which character you will have sex with, what type of sex, such as oral, pussy or anal, tender or rough type of sex. I really don't see the motivation to play this game.

My suggestion:
Based on the success of the mission, the type of sex could be unlocked (bronze score - oral sex animation, silver score - pussy sex animation, golden score - anal sex animation), dialogue choices could open up trust and thus more sexual variants (bonding, violent sex , romantic lovemaking)

Here is an example of what Subverse is in terms of concept now.

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And yet there is people giving 5 stars reviews to "games" around here that all it take is to "click next" and give the player no choice what so ever... go figure

 

[darkinalter0206]

How can i crack? i unzip and paste it to the game folder, trying to rung the exe file in the Binaries folder, but receive "Failed to open descriptor file... "

 

[IG88a]

Majority of games have a over arching story you need to follow, some give choices along the road, others just railroad you from point a to b... What you are asking for is a sandbox with total freedom, to opt out of everything you don't like. Sorry Bob but majority of games doesn't work like that...

TLDR: Yeah but the game is bad.

Thats kind of the problem bub "bob"

You may continue to not understand what a linear sandbox is, but the rest of us don't have such a handicap. Choice decisions effect the journey along a main plotline. If the game was competently designed with mechanics and narrative working synergistically you would have material choice within the fixed narrative.

Lily won't not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker?
>kick her from the ship
>can't field mantics
>can't use her altfire
>field yourself and the other crew members to get the full roster of field combatants
>shows up with Fortune on holo when there is a plot reason she needs to be on screen
Killi won't not not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker? Won't put up with the optional midgame companion quest that'd get her to fuck Mantics?
>kick her from the ship
>lose her alt fire
>lose her field unit
>you've made an enemy for life.jpg and if you need to go to her hat in hand later it'll require a quest or argument.
etc. etc. right down the game design.
Applies for almost every design "decision" of subverse; reverse it to get the roadmap for making a real game.

Things like crewmembers, the relationships you forge with them, the missions you take, the results of sidestory quest missions with Dim Fool, etc. should be or contain choice decisions.
Without it the combat playloop is just padding runtime with minigames. Without it this isn't a game, it's just a visual novel. And not just a visual novel, a rudimentary one at that. The lowest of rent pure VNs at least put the illusion of choice somewhere, a bar subverse didn't reach even once in 6 chapters.

This many months and the hill you die on isn't that the game is good. The hill you die on is that it's bad but you don't care. Holding it up as maybe only as bad as the latest .0000000000000001a gobbo abomination on design and mechanics. That's what $2,000,000 bought.
Comical

 

[Joshua Tree]

Thats kind of the problem bub "bob"

You may continue to not understand what a linear sandbox is, but the rest of us don't have such a handicap. Choice decisions effect the journey along a main plotline. If the game was competently designed with mechanics and narrative working synergistically you would have material choice within the fixed narrative.

Lily won't not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker?
>kick her from the ship
>can't field mantics
>can't use her altfire
>field yourself and the other crew members to get the full roster of field combatants
>shows up with Fortune on holo when there is a plot reason she needs to be on screen
Killi won't not not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker? Won't put up with the optional midgame companion quest that'd get her to fuck Mantics?
>kick her from the ship
>lose her alt fire
>lose her field unit
>you've made an enemy for life.jpg and if you need to go to her hat in hand later it'll require a quest or argument.
etc. etc. right down the game design.
Applies for almost every design "decision" of subverse; reverse it to get the roadmap for making a real game.

Things like crewmembers, the relationships you forge with them, the missions you take, the results of sidestory quest missions with Dim Fool, etc. should be or contain choice decisions.
Without it the combat playloop is just padding runtime with minigames. Without it this isn't a game, it's just a visual novel. And not just a visual novel, a rudimentary one at that. The lowest of rent pure VNs at least put the illusion of choice somewhere, a bar subverse didn't reach even once in 6 chapters.

This many months and the hill you die on isn't that the game is good. The hill you die on is that it's bad but you don't care. Holding it up as maybe only as bad as the latest .0000000000000001a gobbo abomination on design and mechanics. That's what $2,000,000 bought.
Comical

The only problem is you want the game to be something it isn't. So yeah then we have players that think it's bad, just like I think games such as COD, Fortnite etc is complete trash. You are left with if you like something or you don't.

You have choice decisions. What waifus you want to unlock scenes with and in what order. That is based on your choice. You have choices in the game, but they are limited to the games mechanics.

 

[Razrback16]

How can i crack? i unzip and paste it to the game folder, trying to rung the exe file in the Binaries folder, but receive "Failed to open descriptor file... "

If you look up the thread a bit some folks have posted newer version of the game and they should be pre-cracked. I believe the one Thrway (sp?) posted several pages back had an integrated installer to make it as easy possible.

Lily won't not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker?
>kick her from the ship
>can't field mantics
>can't use her altfire
>field yourself and the other crew members to get the full roster of field combatants
>shows up with Fortune on holo when there is a plot reason she needs to be on screen

Love it.

 

[Limited20]

Was rly hyped about this game when it was announced....

Im very sad to see it has unavoidable NTR.
The devs themselves have confirmed that the NTR is "skippable". As in you do not watch it but it happens in the background.
They have confirmed on kickstarter that the NTR events are scripted and canon :/

I was just searching info and patch notes when I finally found about the NTR. I have lost all interest.
Hope they make a none NTR game in the future. The visuals look very good

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Thus far they haven't even mentioned fucking the mantics in dialogue, so maybe don't assume based on words that the dev spoke years ago? They could've very easily changed things between then and now. The pandora system went through a number of changes before what we got to see now, and is slated to change even more.

Would think ya'll would at least try the game out, it only takes a like a few hours to finish the current batch of content, then judge for yourselves, rather than just go off speculation and outdated information.

 

[Razrback16]

I was hearing things on the Kickstarter & Steam messageboards that were giving me pause on this topic. Originally I had thought everything was going to be optional, but in this case, no. The stuff with Lily is not optional. She has sex with the mantics in the lab (although a lot of the scene images we've seen seem to show them on the captain's bed, lol - even worse). The Codex spells it out crystal clear, not to mention the dialogue on the ship so far.

Thankfully F95 offers the opportunity to 'check things out' as it were before having to worry about getting screwed out of your money. Needless to say I'm glad I didn't buy it or I would have been pretty angry as my outlook on this stuff is similar to yours.

So my advice to you would be: try the game off of F95 if you want so you can see it for yourself and then decide.

https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-1-3-studio-fow.77900/post-6194319

I believe someone said it was also on skidrow if you're familiar with that site.

 

[Razrback16]

I personally was hoping this game would be more romance / relationship oriented like a lot of VNs I've played with choices, etc., but it's basically open / casual relationships where everybody fucks everything that moves. There are positives like the voice acting and animation quality / graphics but ya the forced content with the xenos / mantics makes it a hard sell for me on the financial side because when I check out any type of entertainment content what I ask myself is - would I ultimately want more of this? And with Subverse, presently, the answer is no because of that forced content.

Thing is we're still in Early Access - if the studio wanted to fix this issue, it's actually an INCREDIBLY simple issue to resolve which would equate to more sales if they are interested but it doesn't sound like they are. Literally a minute adjustment of the Codex, and tweaking some of the dialogue to ensure it doesn't reference this stuff - they don't even have to delete some of the dialogue lines - they could literally just tie some of the commentary regarding canonized sex with mantics into scene unlocks with Lily / Xeno content and offer an alternative line if they like that modifies her backstory and has the other characters talk about other stuff regarding her if desired to keep it out of the story. So simple to fix. If they resolved this, when it goes to final version, I'd buy it for full price.

Posting those images from yesterday that I got from reddit showing evidence of the forced xeno content in-game:

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