Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.1.1] [Studio Fow]

[Joshua Tree]

Thats kind of the problem bub "bob"

You may continue to not understand what a linear sandbox is, but the rest of us don't have such a handicap. Choice decisions effect the journey along a main plotline. If the game was competently designed with mechanics and narrative working synergistically you would have material choice within the fixed narrative.

Lily won't not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker?
>kick her from the ship
>can't field mantics
>can't use her altfire
>field yourself and the other crew members to get the full roster of field combatants
>shows up with Fortune on holo when there is a plot reason she needs to be on screen
Killi won't not not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker? Won't put up with the optional midgame companion quest that'd get her to fuck Mantics?
>kick her from the ship
>lose her alt fire
>lose her field unit
>you've made an enemy for life.jpg and if you need to go to her hat in hand later it'll require a quest or argument.
etc. etc. right down the game design.
Applies for almost every design "decision" of subverse; reverse it to get the roadmap for making a real game.

Things like crewmembers, the relationships you forge with them, the missions you take, the results of sidestory quest missions with Dim Fool, etc. should be or contain choice decisions.
Without it the combat playloop is just padding runtime with minigames. Without it this isn't a game, it's just a visual novel. And not just a visual novel, a rudimentary one at that. The lowest of rent pure VNs at least put the illusion of choice somewhere, a bar subverse didn't reach even once in 6 chapters.

This many months and the hill you die on isn't that the game is good. The hill you die on is that it's bad but you don't care. Holding it up as maybe only as bad as the latest .0000000000000001a gobbo abomination on design and mechanics. That's what $2,000,000 bought.
Comical

The only problem is you want the game to be something it isn't. So yeah then we have players that think it's bad, just like I think games such as COD, Fortnite etc is complete trash. You are left with if you like something or you don't.

You have choice decisions. What waifus you want to unlock scenes with and in what order. That is based on your choice. You have choices in the game, but they are limited to the games mechanics.

 

[Razrback16]

How can i crack? i unzip and paste it to the game folder, trying to rung the exe file in the Binaries folder, but receive "Failed to open descriptor file... "

If you look up the thread a bit some folks have posted newer version of the game and they should be pre-cracked. I believe the one Thrway (sp?) posted several pages back had an integrated installer to make it as easy possible.

Lily won't not fuck mantics? Thats a dealbreaker?
>kick her from the ship
>can't field mantics
>can't use her altfire
>field yourself and the other crew members to get the full roster of field combatants
>shows up with Fortune on holo when there is a plot reason she needs to be on screen

Love it.

 

[Limited20]

Was rly hyped about this game when it was announced....

Im very sad to see it has unavoidable NTR.
The devs themselves have confirmed that the NTR is "skippable". As in you do not watch it but it happens in the background.
They have confirmed on kickstarter that the NTR events are scripted and canon :/

I was just searching info and patch notes when I finally found about the NTR. I have lost all interest.
Hope they make a none NTR game in the future. The visuals look very good

 

[Deleted member 324588]

Thus far they haven't even mentioned fucking the mantics in dialogue, so maybe don't assume based on words that the dev spoke years ago? They could've very easily changed things between then and now. The pandora system went through a number of changes before what we got to see now, and is slated to change even more.

Would think ya'll would at least try the game out, it only takes a like a few hours to finish the current batch of content, then judge for yourselves, rather than just go off speculation and outdated information.

 

[Razrback16]

I was hearing things on the Kickstarter & Steam messageboards that were giving me pause on this topic. Originally I had thought everything was going to be optional, but in this case, no. The stuff with Lily is not optional. She has sex with the mantics in the lab (although a lot of the scene images we've seen seem to show them on the captain's bed, lol - even worse). The Codex spells it out crystal clear, not to mention the dialogue on the ship so far.

Thankfully F95 offers the opportunity to 'check things out' as it were before having to worry about getting screwed out of your money. Needless to say I'm glad I didn't buy it or I would have been pretty angry as my outlook on this stuff is similar to yours.

So my advice to you would be: try the game off of F95 if you want so you can see it for yourself and then decide.

https://f95zone.to/threads/subverse-v0-1-3-studio-fow.77900/post-6194319

I believe someone said it was also on skidrow if you're familiar with that site.

 

[Razrback16]

I personally was hoping this game would be more romance / relationship oriented like a lot of VNs I've played with choices, etc., but it's basically open / casual relationships where everybody fucks everything that moves. There are positives like the voice acting and animation quality / graphics but ya the forced content with the xenos / mantics makes it a hard sell for me on the financial side because when I check out any type of entertainment content what I ask myself is - would I ultimately want more of this? And with Subverse, presently, the answer is no because of that forced content.

Thing is we're still in Early Access - if the studio wanted to fix this issue, it's actually an INCREDIBLY simple issue to resolve which would equate to more sales if they are interested but it doesn't sound like they are. Literally a minute adjustment of the Codex, and tweaking some of the dialogue to ensure it doesn't reference this stuff - they don't even have to delete some of the dialogue lines - they could literally just tie some of the commentary regarding canonized sex with mantics into scene unlocks with Lily / Xeno content and offer an alternative line if they like that modifies her backstory and has the other characters talk about other stuff regarding her if desired to keep it out of the story. So simple to fix. If they resolved this, when it goes to final version, I'd buy it for full price.

Posting those images from yesterday that I got from reddit showing evidence of the forced xeno content in-game:

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[Joshua Tree]

There is no issue to fix. The content is made available by your own choice. If you don't want to watch it then don't unlock it. And if you trip over because you see a few lines of text that imply characters does x & y... by gods man.. You should stay off the internet all together

 

[Deleted member 324588]

I wonder if anyone had the power to create a bunch of hot ladies out of test tubes, would they not just be horny for them?

Think that was the plot to Ex Machina xD

 

[Joshua Tree]

I wonder if anyone had the power to create a bunch of hot ladies out of test tubes, would they not just be horny for them?

Think that was the plot to Ex Machina xD

Well people are asking on the steam forums about female mantics... So if that did happen.. the same people would have no calms about the captain start ram it to some female xeno...

 

[Razrback16]

There is no issue to fix. The content is made available by your own choice. If you don't want to watch it then don't unlock it. And if you trip over because you see a few lines of text that imply characters does x & y... by gods man.. You should stay off the internet all together

That's your opinion (which you are welcome to) on the issue and potential resolution, but you're flat out factually incorrect on the content - as we've just discussed with screenshots, watching the associated GIF isn't the issue, it is the fact that xeno story content is canon in the game. It is not optional no matter how much you wish it to be.

 

[Thrway8113]

Thing is we're still in Early Access - if the studio wanted to fix this issue, it's actually an INCREDIBLY simple issue to resolve which would equate to more sales if they are interested but it doesn't sound like they are. Literally a minute adjustment of the Codex, and tweaking some of the dialogue to ensure it doesn't reference this stuff - they don't even have to delete some of the dialogue lines - they could literally just tie some of the commentary regarding canonized sex with mantics into scene unlocks with Lily / Xeno content and offer an alternative line if they like that modifies her backstory and has the other characters talk about other stuff regarding her if desired to keep it out of the story. So simple to fix. If they resolved this, when it goes to final version, I'd buy it for full price.

This is actually not a terrible suggestion. Both the xeno route and a non-xeno route could easily co-exist in this scenario. Both sides of this discussion could buy the game, and experience the game exactly as they'd like. I've said previously I have no intention of buying the game due to the decision to insert the xeno narrative with Lily into the story canonically - if they were to make a change that just resembled the above and affected necessary change, I'd reconsider buying this.

 

[NBV]

This is actually not a terrible suggestion. Both the xeno route and a non-xeno route could easily co-exist in this scenario. Both sides of this discussion could buy the game, and experience the game exactly as they'd like. I've said previously I have no intention of buying the game due to the decision to insert the xeno narrative with Lily into the story canonically - if they were to make a change that just resembled the above and affected necessary change, I'd reconsider buying this.

They could have included these as avoidable dialogues and even scenes, but that would have been considered too much work for them. The reason why the Mantic scenes are locked into Pandora is precisely because of the extreme salt people were getting over the idea of NTR, or at least what they assumed was NTR. Fow obviously curled up into a ball over these users and opted to play it extremely safe. Rather than making it avoidable and doing the extra work, they opted to make essentially half-ass a lock to pandora only.

 

[Thrway8113]

They could have included these as avoidable dialogues and even scenes, but that would have been considered too much work for them. The reason why the Mantic scenes are locked into Pandora is precisely because of the extreme salt people were getting over the idea of NTR, or at least what they assumed was NTR. Fow obviously curled up into a ball over these users and opted to play it extremely safe. Rather than making it avoidable and doing the extra work, they opted to make essentially half-ass a lock to pandora only.

Yeah in a fairly lengthy post a while back I had said that they probably should have considered just going full on NTR / Cuck as they clearly wanted to because this 'halfsies' crap isn't really making people happy. The xeno Lily stuff is still narratively there no matter what the player does. If they'd implemented some options either for the player to make manually at the beginning of the game, or that were simply code injected based on scene unlocks in pandora, that would basically solve the issue for a lot of people. I know it's mentioned in the codex too via that screenshot someone posted earlier, but that's an easy text re-write that could also be left unmodified if people unlock Lily xeno scenes in pandora.

And on the Steam reviews - I agree with you completely. When I check out a game, I do my sort based on most recent, verified Steam owner, and have 3-5 hours of playtime as the minimum (more if it's a big RPG type game that takes hundreds of hours).

 

[crescentlegion]

Why the fuck people still nattering about ntr, they will not change shit because people screaming. Studiofow made it abundantly clear they are not gonna change shit, and what do this people expect from studiofow, did they not know about their previous works?

 

[IG88a]

Why the fuck people still nattering about ntr, they will not change shit because people screaming. Studiofow made it abundantly clear they are not gonna change shit, and what do this people expect from studiofow, did they not know about their previous works?

Hold up their chief, their previous works?
Their previous works are almost unilaterally nonconsensual monster rape.
Only the japanese apparently have the brass balls to make a game about monster sex with the framing of "their previous works." Don't imply the people who follow the work of Animopron, noname55, Wildeer Studio, and the former work of studio fow got what the wanted here. The milquetoast "muh female agency" wank for redditors like VValen isn't getting anyone's panties in a twist about "welll akkkktually it's not NTR" except for the devs not getting out of their own way on the issue, it's just fucking boring and unengaging as content. No one wants to listen to these girls talk about fucking dogs and past relationship drama at the expense of genre staples like content on lose (nonconsentual) and a companion system where the player coerces can convince the girls who aren't lily to take that mantic D. Instead we got cringe dialogues, "lore" logs, and the pandora system confirming at some point in a blackout stupor the captain let random non mantic ayy lmaos run a train on the robot he puts his dick in alongside the other greyed out contextless porn snippets.

Mantics don't even have red rockets. But the largest cardinal sin of the framing is being boring.
All on top of the fact it's all canon and unavoidable. On top of the game being objectively rudimentary and the player having no material choice to control the goings on of his own ship, much less effect the plot in any way.
No one got what they wanted out of this. Blame compromise, blame the normie boogeyman, but someone decided to give the mantics humanoid dicks and frame every on launch locked camera angle to hide the fact. Someone decided to ignore the coercive monster sex market to cater to the faux egalitarian simping of those who are so damaged they want to force hypergamy into a fixed male protagonist power fantasy porn game.

If they had more talent for this they'd have followed the axiom of "out of sight out of mind" and put a choice menu or autoplay event literally anywhere to gate seeing the scenes in game. If they had more forethought they'd have sidestepped the "NTR" debate entirely by making the lions share of girl interactions with mantics player triggered within the narrative. For the captains enjoyment following the fetish of novelty like the framing of the vast majority of their older media.

People went into this being acutely aware of their previous works and what they expected from studiofow. And StudioFow knew it too. The opening tagline of the launch trailer paraphrased is "from the degenerates who were banned off patreon for making a nightelf fuck a werewolf" for a reason.

 

[NBV]

Actually, many people went into it clearly unaware of their previous works. This is why you have so many people being surprised over the "NTR" so often. FOW didn't foresee that so many normies would react negativity to this before the game was even released, so they quickly clamored for a solution, but chose a bad one instead.

 

[IG88a]

The recent "mixed" reviewers on steam may feel misled about the monster sex (but are probably more flabbergasted by the state of the game) because the steam promotional material can't be as... direct, but most people following the game knew of it's existence since the first launch trailer. Mantic sex was part and parcel, so I agree the real problem is how shittily they handled it's execution.
People here at least are reacting primarily to two things

1. the female hypergamy excuse is cringe and undermines this class of game. Simple as
2. the content is unavoidable on your personal playthough due to game construction

Games like the classic CoC and T.I.T.S. have FAR more intelligent takes on hypergamy, NPC "agency", what have you but it's balanced by one important thing. Player choice. Hell, CoC2 literally has it's first introduced character state plainly she won't be in a monogamous relationship and you get the choice to accept that, stop pursuing her sexually/romantically, or stop using her as a companion entirely. A mix of dialogue prompts and mechanic based choices to tailor content to the players tastes while "respecting her agency." The way the devs and their "fans" use "yeah well we wrote her to fuck mantics" "the "crew" category somehow isn't literally NTR don't look at that!" as if it's a shield just shows they don't have the emotional intelligence to touch these fetishes and frankly shouldn't have tried. Or door number 2, it's all unintended and the justification a total copout of not knowing what the framing of their own pornographic content was and scrambling for an answer.

The thought process for normie and degenerate alike is "That isn't engaging (because I don't want bestiality/because my pure waifus/because it isn't framing mantic sex in an interesting way)" followed by "and you won't let me not be party to it." Inadvertent or no, it's either bad game design or bad plot-companion construction or both. And even now they could still fix these framings instead of circle the wagons where they can censor these conversations.

 

[Dragon x Hunter]

Too much discussion for a game that is just "ok" it is not like it is a new The Witcher 3 (or any game-of-the-year) for adults. Get a break, game can be real good but it is up to the creator and what they do with it. It could turn into a freaking mess or something really good.

(And yeah I paid for the game but asked for a refund because I think the game is not worth the amount they ask)

 

[Joshua Tree]

That's your opinion (which you are welcome to) on the issue and potential resolution, but you're flat out factually incorrect on the content - as we've just discussed with screenshots, watching the associated GIF isn't the issue, it is the fact that xeno story content is canon in the game. It is not optional no matter how much you wish it to be.

It's not part of the main story, it doesn't get thrown in your face, you not forced to watch Lilly fornicate with xeno's etc. That you get to know about her prone to do it, is a different tale. Do you go every day think about the past experiences your partner had before meet you too?

 

[Gwedelino]

3 months between each update is what I expected, 4 months is a bit too long and skip an update per year.

Will see how much content bring the next update.