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When someone upload the pandora scenes to pornhub, and some rando dude click on the clips... what does that person care about context other than what's going when watching? People in this thread that just do the same, watch the scenes from pandora and ignoring the game else, what do they care about context?

You wish for Pandora to be something greater than it is. That's fine, but it is what it is. Extra optional lewdness you can unlock to get excited about. With the huge amount of scenes in Pandora when the game is completed, to expect a story around each scene and context wouldn't really be possible. Nor tie the scenes individually into the game as a part of the story as some people want. You have to look at it realistic.
Is it really that much harder to add a one sentence line to give context to something? I mean realistically, you don’t play this game because you like asteroids or Xcom, because you’d play superior versions of them.
you play this game because of the characters and the sex, preferably together.
The issue here being, the Pandora scenes mean about as much to me as someone separately using the SFM to make porn. That’s all fine and great, but it feels like they aren’t playing to their strengths. I honestly agree with what one person said earlier, I’d have been much happier with a movie version of this, especially since they wouldn’t have to waste so many resources on a budget version of better games. That’s not what we are here for.
 

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Is it really that much harder to add a one sentence line to give context to something? I mean realistically, you don’t play this game because you like asteroids or Xcom, because you’d play superior versions of them.
you play this game because of the characters and the sex, preferably together.
The issue here being, the Pandora scenes mean about as much to me as someone separately using the SFM to make porn. That’s all fine and great, but it feels like they aren’t playing to their strengths. I honestly agree with what one person said earlier, I’d have been much happier with a movie version of this, especially since they wouldn’t have to waste so many resources on a budget version of better games. That’s not what we are here for.
I want Fortnite to be full of lewd models, sex and nudity, but hey, that wont happen either. What people want a game to be and what it is, is two different things. Why someone play a game is highly individual. If you some completely random guy on steam picking up Subverse without any idea what the creators been into and done before. They would have other expectations to the game than someone who knew. FOW wanted to make a game, so they are making a game. It doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else think about that. If you don't like a game don't play it. Very simple really.

Btw. many games that been heavy into cut scenes and such have had fan made movies of them. Mass Effect, Dragons Age, and others. You could just as well get your movie after Subverse is completed.
 
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I want Fortnite to be full of lewd models, sex and nudity, but hey, that wont happen either. What people want a game to be and what it is, is two different things. Why someone play a game is highly individual. If you some completely random guy on steam picking up Subverse without any idea what the creators been into and done before. They would have other expectations to the game than someone who knew. FOW wanted to make a game, so they are making a game. It doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else think about that. If you don't like a game don't play it. Very simple really.
I’m not even sure what you’re arguing, but I agree with you, the game is what it is. Plenty of people have argued the same thing I did, and plenty disagree.
But just because a game is something, doesn’t mean people can’t criticize it for it to be better.
I still follow the game because I think it has a lot of potential and that the talent of the creators is there, but when I see people mention that the game’s characters could be showcased better, or that they’d rather have devotion quests instead of random side content with parody characters, or getting more context to Pandora scenes, or even more drastically just complaining about how milquetoast the gameplay is that they’d rather do away with it together, I understand it.
I don’t agree with everything, but I can understand that point of view. It’s fine to disagree but just because a game is something doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized or improved upon.
As we are lead to believe, they take feedback very seriously.
 

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complaining about the Pandora system still, despite it being stated that the revamp wouldn’t be coming til AFTER this update.
They haven't told us what they planned on revamping about the system. What are we to look forward to in a revamp if it could potentially miss all the marks people were criticizing it for? Why is it so impossible for them to say whether or not they intend to add dialogue or context for scenes? They were vague about how they'd improve the static camera system in their previous dev diaries. When they released their improvement in this patch, it ultimately boiled down to being able to move the camera 50 pixels in each direction. Don't you think most people would prefer knowing what the planned revamps for Pandora are, so they don't get hyped for what could be the equivalent of just moving the camera 50 pixels?

And of course the length discussion, despite there now being numerous scenes in the game. *and still only among 4 girls*. Think y’all are seriously underestimating how much there’s gonna be to view by the time they get to the end of it. I found out the devotion levels after 20 award 2 points per level, which already indicates there’s gonna be a toooon more scenes. If 30+ gives 3 points per level, the ceiling is gonna be really damn high.
And for many of us, having tons more 10-30 second long loops wouldn't solve the problem. Then again, telling you this for the 50th time is pointless. You'll still continue to strawman half the thread with disingenuous replies and use the most unreasonable arguments (the "anti-NTR" crowd) from tourist users to scapegoat the rest of our points.

When someone upload the pandora scenes to pornhub, and some rando dude click on the clips... what does that person care about context other than what's going when watching? People in this thread that just do the same, watch the scenes from pandora and ignoring the game else, what do they care about context?

You wish for Pandora to be something greater than it is. That's fine, but it is what it is. Extra optional lewdness you can unlock to get excited about. With the huge amount of scenes in Pandora when the game is completed, to expect a story around each scene and context wouldn't really be possible. Nor tie the scenes individually into the game as a part of the story as some people want. You have to look at it realistic.
I don't understand this logic. Shrugging off any form of critic on the porn scenes with "eh... they're just optional" is deflection.

Context in porn scenes have always been important. In doujins, Japanese porn games, hentai animations, and even western porn games know this. There's a reason why even slutty characters in games like The Legend of Queen Opala still have a lead up and context behind each random fuck they get into. Whether a scene is purely vanilla or filled with mantic mating, context is important to stimulating the idea behind them. Killi is a dominant kind of character and seeing her getting dominated by Mantics herself in Pandora scenes won't have the same charm if we don't get to see her acting smug and powerful before having her queen bitch complex broken in my Mantic dick. Have you evern seen the Makai Kishi Ingrid hentai animation? It's the idea. The Huntress is clearly one of those pompous ego girls about her skills and position as #1 huntress in the galaxy. Seeing her lose to a lowly mantic and then made to submit to it's cock is far better than just seeing a loop of her sucking off one of the weaker looking mantics without context.
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There's a clear reason why people prefer rape related porn over standard S&M stuff, even though it can visually look the same in hentai without context. The same goes for people preferring NTR or cheating porn and vice versa. The context and idea behind a scene help stimulate the senses.

I want Fortnite to be full of lewd models, sex and nudity, but hey, that wont happen either. What people want a game to be and what it is, is two different things.
Did you seriously just bring up your desire for Fortnite to have porn and not getting it as the same as what people are critical about Subverse? God, I know you're trying to hard to be an unpaid Subverse PR employee, but make your bogus deflections less obvious.

Why someone play a game is highly individual. If you some completely random guy on steam picking up Subverse without any idea what the creators been into and done before. They would have other expectations to the game than someone who knew. FOW wanted to make a game, so they are making a game. It doesn't matter what you, me or anyone else think about that. If you don't like a game don't play it. Very simple really.
The difference here is that we were promised a porn game and many of the features we were promised to encounter said in porn game was scrapped and edited off their steam page a month before EA went live. Not letting people know that they were going to change a lot of what people justifiably expected to be in the game before they let us pay for it was a big bad decision by itself. It's nobody's fault for expecting there to be context and lead-up to scenes if we were promised it. It's equally not an unreasonable request that hundreds/thousands of players are asking that some context be added to the Pandora system we got. Fow did not want to make just a game, they wanted to make a porn game, and promised us a porn game.

I'm seriously getting tired of this absolute bullshit "It's just a game that happens to have porn" excuse you and VValen have been throwing out. Even StudioFow and it's mods haven't been making this excuse within their own discord channel. They've referred to it as a porn game at every point in it's development and EA releases. They tease and emphasize the porn aspects and fuckability of it's characters at every turn. If you want to simp hard and delude your mind into thinking this was advertised as a video game that just happens to be porn, go ahead, but don't try to force that delusion on the rest of us.
 

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I’m not even sure what you’re arguing, but I agree with you, the game is what it is. Plenty of people have argued the same thing I did, and plenty disagree.
But just because a game is something, doesn’t mean people can’t criticize it for it to be better.
I still follow the game because I think it has a lot of potential and that the talent of the creators is there, but when I see people mention that the game’s characters could be showcased better, or that they’d rather have devotion quests instead of random side content with parody characters, or getting more context to Pandora scenes, or even more drastically just complaining about how milquetoast the gameplay is that they’d rather do away with it together, I understand it.
I don’t agree with everything, but I can understand that point of view. It’s fine to disagree but just because a game is something doesn’t mean it can’t be criticized or improved upon.
As we are lead to believe, they take feedback very seriously.
Devotion/loyality quests is content coming further on. Remember the game is a work in progress. We get it served piece meal. We won't have the "grand picture" before the game is completed.
 

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Which is it then? Is the game in progress and we should expect improvement, or is it a "game with porn" and we should accept that there will be things we won't get, like Fortnite not giving us porn? You swap between arguments whenever it's more convenient. You go turn into an absolute wall in one post and then try to act more reasonable about possible improvements in another.

You're completely disingenuous with your replies.
 

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The difference here is that we were promised a porn game and many of the features we were promised to encounter said in porn game was scrapped and edited off their steam page a month before EA went live. Not letting people know that they were going to change a lot of what people justifiably expected to be in the game before they let us pay for it was a big bad decision by itself. It's nobody's fault for expecting there to be context and lead-up to scenes if we were promised it. It's equally not an unreasonable request that hundreds/thousands of players are asking that some context be added to the Pandora system we got. Fow did not want to make just a game, they wanted to make a porn game, and promised us a porn game.
You where promised a PORN game? You got an actual source of they promise you a PORN game? Even looking back at their kickstarter page where does it say PORN game? There is even youtube clips with the creators stating they are NOT making a porn game. But yet they did promise you a PORN game?

As for the Fortnite comment. You didn't get it do you? I'll try with a smaller spoon then... Don't get a game expecting something else than what it deliver... What you wish for a game to be and what it actually is. Two different things...
 

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Which is it then? Is the game in progress and we should expect improvement, or is it a "game with porn" and we should accept that there will be things we won't get, like Fortnite not giving us porn? You swap between arguments whenever it's more convenient. You go turn into an absolute wall in one post and then try to act more reasonable about possible improvements in another.

You're completely disingenuous with your replies.
a early access game is work in progress. Just as with all the games on this site that doesn't carry a completed tag. Its work in progress. Hard to grasp right?
 

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You where promised a PORN game? You got an actual source of they promise you a PORN game? Even looking back at their kickstarter page where does it say PORN game? There is even youtube clips with the creators stating they are NOT making a porn game. But yet they did promise you a PORN game?

As for the Fortnite comment. You didn't get it do you? I'll try with a smaller spoon then... Don't get a game expecting something else than what it deliver... What you wish for a game to be and what it actually is. Two different things...
Yes, when they called it a porn game and referred to it as one in many instances. I and others have already posted things they promised/teased we'd see and then scrapped without a word. Do you not recall how many times the Bulgetto and Lily scenes was mentioned and brought up every time you and the other guy made this same argument? I guess you just skipped through the replies in your attempt to stonewall people again. To make the argument that they never promised a porn game or advertised one is the most dishonest shit imaginable. Their previous steam page, their post EA one, their Twitter posts, their first youtube trailer all highlight and put focus on the porn aspects of the game.

Their current steam page's description even starts off with talking about it being a porn and what it has to offer in that regard.
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The original version of their steam page and kickstarter showed more descriptors about porn and what we should expect, along with emphasize of it's porn content as its main selling point. They only added more of the gameplay stuff after they finally finished developing the ship segments to actually show screenshots and descriptions for them.
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Most of their stretch goals on the kickstarter page are STILL porn and "waifu" related.
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Using the fact that the phrase "porn game" is not specifically used as often to your convenience is just garbage politician talk to avoid taking responsibility for an obvious narrative/implication that was made about things. They clearly promised everyone a porn game and advertised it as such. They wouldn't be getting so much feedback on it's porn for this reason otherwise. They wouldn't be prioritizing the porn in dev diaries and tweets otherwise.
 

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a early access game is work in progress. Just as with all the games on this site that doesn't carry a completed tag. Its work in progress. Hard to grasp right?
No shit. The point is that in some of your posts you'll talk to people as though their being unreasonable for any form of critic, large or small. ...Then you'll throw out dumb arguments, like "It's not a porn game and it wasn't promised to be one." You guys are constantly moving the goalpost.

Imagine complaining about a game on a pirate site with no affiliation to the devs...
Imagine coming to an F95 thread to make your second ever comment in it be a hypocritical one. Are we not allowed to discuss games here? Would be fine if we were just praising and saying what we thought would be good ideas for it, even if devs can't see it?

Isn't this you? Your first and only post until now was calling it a money milking scheme. Get off your high horse.
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Yes, when they called it a porn game and referred to it as one in many instances. I and others have already posted things they promised/teased we'd see and then scrapped without a word. Do you not recall how many times the Bulgetto and Lily scenes was mentioned and brought up every time you and the other guy made this same argument? I guess you just skipped through the replies in your attempt to stonewall people again. To make the argument that they never promised a porn game or advertised one is the most dishonest shit imaginable. Their previous steam page, their post EA one, their Twitter posts, their first youtube trailer all highlight and put focus on the porn aspects of the game.

Their current steam page's description even starts off with talking about it being a porn and what it has to offer in that regard.
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The original version of their steam page and kickstarter showed more descriptors about porn and what we should expect, along with emphasize of it's porn content as its main selling point. They only added more of the gameplay stuff after they finally finished developing the ship segments to actually show screenshots and descriptions for them.
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Most of their stretch goals on the kickstarter page are STILL porn and "waifu" related.
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Using the fact that the phrase "porn game" is not specifically used as often to your convenience is just garbage politician talk to avoid taking responsibility for an obvious narrative/implication that was made about things. They clearly promised everyone a porn game and advertised it as such. They wouldn't be getting so much feedback on it's porn for this reason otherwise. They wouldn't be prioritizing the porn in dev diaries and tweets otherwise.
No, you said they did promise you a PORN game. So where is the promise? Did you mistake this description for PORN?

"That’s why we made Subverse - a tactical RPG/SHMUP hybrid that takes place in a fully explorable galaxy where you get to be the Captain of your very own ship...which is crewed by the sexiest and deadliest waifus you can recruit. Oh, and you can also befriend a perpetually stoned imp mechanic with six testicles.

Enter the Prodigium Galaxy – a place ruled by a by a bunch of puritanical, oppressive douchebags who pretty much hate anything sexy. Naturally, it’s up to you lead a covert revolution to overthrow these dickheads with your very own black ops squad of knockout waifus backed up by genetically engineered monsters and a top-secret stolen military fighter ship - all of which can be upgraded into an unstoppable force with loot and credits."

When the creators themselves not refer to it as a PORN game. You can even find them state so on interviews on youtube. But hey I guess you know better than those that make the game right? You are a prime example of someone that want to project the game to be something it wasn't set out to it. They stated several times they are making a game foremost. A game with lewd stuff for adults. I get it, you want to remove anything game related and just focus on the lewd bits.
 

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No, you said they did promise you a PORN game. So where is the promise? Did you mistake this description for PORN?
Yes, and everyone who isn't going full on damage control simp knows they did.

"That’s why we made Subverse - a tactical RPG/SHMUP hybrid that takes place in a fully explorable galaxy where you get to be the Captain of your very own ship...which is crewed by the sexiest and deadliest waifus you can recruit. Oh, and you can also befriend a perpetually stoned imp mechanic with six testicles.

Enter the Prodigium Galaxy – a place ruled by a by a bunch of puritanical, oppressive douchebags who pretty much hate anything sexy. Naturally, it’s up to you lead a covert revolution to overthrow these dickheads with your very own black ops squad of knockout waifus backed up by genetically engineered monsters and a top-secret stolen military fighter ship - all of which can be upgraded into an unstoppable force with loot and credits."
And you convenient don't address the part where I showed you them first and foremost mentioning that the game is for users who have been looking for a better porn game at the start of their About This Game?

When the creators themselves not refer to it as a PORN game. You can even find them state so on interviews on youtube. But hey I guess you know better than those that make the game right? You are a prime example of someone that want to project the game to be something it wasn't set out to it. They stated several times they are making a game foremost. A game with lewd stuff for adults. I get it, you want to remove anything game related and just focus on the lewd bits.
Which interview did they state it strictly wasn't a porn game and what was the context behind it? How soon was this stated after the initial Kickstarter goals had been completed? Which developer was the one who said it and why wasn't it made clearer in the first version of the Kickstarter and steam page?

They started changing their Steam page and Kickstarter Page a whole year after they decided they wanted to shy away from making porn a big part of the story's content itself, after being spooked by the initial shitstorm normies gave it for what they dubbed as "CUCK CONTENT". Post EA statements and direction changes in 2021 is not the same as what they advertised prior.

There's a reason why in almost every channel of their discord, users and mods alike refer to it as a "porn game". Let me emphasize that this is just one of the Subverse related channels in their discord:
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Many of their mods and staff throughout Discord, Steam, and Reddit refer to it as a porn game.
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Even your boy Valen referred to it as a porn game as early as 2019, back when Fow didn't try to run it back. It's funny how he's now changing up that narrative.
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The ONLY time this narrative changed is after they tried to sweep the changes under the rug before EA release and rebrand what it as something else. It's not our fault they changed their mind 2 years after the game was funded for advertising itself as a porn game.

EDIT: You can see from their highest moderating Discord members' post history that there was a clear change at one point Of course, I know you know this. We all know the messaging and stances they had behind the game wasn't the same as it was post 2021 EA. The porn was a direct part of the story and there were even going to be unskippable scenes.
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Forgot to reply to that one user who asked me to edit his save with 99 PP on all waifus. The save you gave me has all your girls at 0 PP. I need them to be at around 3-5 PP to be able to find the PP addresses in CE and edit them to have 99 each. Sorry about that.
 

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No shit. The point is that in some of your posts you'll talk to people as though their being unreasonable for any form of critic, large or small. ...Then you'll throw out dumb arguments, like "It's not a porn game and it wasn't promised to be one." You guys are constantly moving the goalpost.


Imagine coming to an F95 thread to make your second ever comment in it be a hypocritical one. Are we not allowed to discuss games here? Would be fine if we were just praising and saying what we thought would be good ideas for it, even if devs can't see it?

Isn't this you? Your first and only post until now was calling it a money milking scheme. Get off your high horse.
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Yeah I complained, but I'm not the one writing paragraphs here. Maybe get some fresh air instead of being an ass online.
 

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I'm quite sure Kristoff is giving a good idea what the GAME will be here from the 11 min mark and onward...

 
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