Unreal Engine Completed Subverse [v1.2.01 DLC] [Studio Fow]

[yesz]

congrats on version 1

 

[ChaosXD]

how do you unlock the last character? (not Blyte)

 

[Federok88]

So chief complains I read about pandora are
Gif viewer
Grind
no interaction or dirty talk (Ok this one I actually can get behind for a complaint)

Skuztron has most likely the best review and critique as he makes solid points and I have to say he was pretty spot on with his review.

Gonna be honest I think people just put to high expectations on this game and I kinda put mid on it didn't get super hype for it I am a old man and honestly been let down by games 1 to many times to be on that all in train not only that but this site has taught me that there are plenty of people who will milk or out right take the money and run after delivering a awful product or just out right unfinished.

Here is the thing. For all the shine and pretty things around Subverse, it fails at the fundamentals of a porn game.
Any half-decent porn game offers a lead up to the their sex scenes and has some sort dirty talk in one way or another. Subverse has a lead up only to the first sex scene with each girl (some better than others) and the rest just happens whenever, thats not good porn game desing.


It commits a mistake that many other mid porn games fall prey of, becoming grindy. The gameplay of subverse is decent at best (i personally find the space combat fun) but not good enought to demand this level of repetition.

Pandora as a concept isnt a bad idea but the execution is poor. I could see a way to string together several sex poses and a climax, that could be fun. The problem with that is that halft of the scenes dont feel like they belong together, then there is the division between standard and premium scenes.

Honestly, premium scenes (where the player controls the speed of the sex) should've been the norm. When a game decides for a more animated aproach and forgoes some the dirty talk or dialogue, they often give the player control over the rythim of the sex scene. And even then their aproach could've worked if it wasnt for the lack of quantity and variety.

On average there are around 4 premium scenes per character with one character having as little as one premium scene. Then there is the problem of distribution, if you arent into monster fucking you are gonna be pissed if most of their premium scenes are in the xenos category and conversely you're gonna be dissapointed if a girl doesnt have a single xeno premium scene.

Then there is the problem of the type of premium scene. For example Demi has only foreplay premium scenes with the captain, if you want a scene of the captain cumming inside of Demis syntetic pussy, well you're out of luck. On the other side Fortune has no premium scene of foreplay with the captain and i have yet to see a premium scene with a boobjob.

Those are the problems with the type of scenes inside pandora, but there still a problem with the unlocking method because is fucking boring. Most games of this type unlock new scenes by interacting with the characters in some way, be it by talking, fucking, giving gifts or going into special missions. Subverse does none of this and just gives you points as the character levels up wich the most stale way you could pick to do it.

All of this is very basic shit that even a mediocre porn game developer understands, people didnt expected FOW to deliver a 15 minute short film for every character, they just expected them to understand the very basic mechanics of porn delivery and presentation in a porn game.

And it is really frustrating because there is a lot of potential in Subverse.

 

[Leo D. Marstone]

Skuztron has most likely the best review and critique as he makes solid points and I have to say he was pretty spot on with his review.

I gonna agree here but if you read his review than re read his section about Pandora.

It is not about having "just" loopable gifs. It is about not having porn integrated in the story or even game mechanics. If you had both, like organically seeing some scenes during the story and not just the recruitment and devotion scenes, which only take up like 5% of the whole game and unlockables in pandora (the mantic scenes for example) no one....let me repeat myself. No one would have bat an eye.

Or if you are unable to come up with an idea to have that during the story than at least make it, like Federok88 mentioned before me, more interactive. I mean you can already talk to the girls and go on dates with them. Why not give the player a reward for choosing the right gift or dialogue option with a sex scene.
Have smaller side missions for the girls that gives you a scene. (Would make grind the anomalys way more fun to be honest).
Every 10 levels the girl visits you in your chambers and have sex with the MC.
Stumble about a scene by chance while clicking through the room on the ship. (The lab from Lily is a prime candidate to implement the mantic scenes.)

Things like this I brainstorm in minutes and the dev team seemed to be incapable of implementing xD Porn Game 101 stuff to be honest.
Case in point of budget. I believe not every line needed to be voiced that would have give leeway for exactly these things.

It is the complete lack of context that bothers the majority of folks.

Let me quote some lines from his review:
" While the copious amount of sex the crew allegedly have with each other is heavily referenced in dialogue amongst themselves and with the people the crew encounter, it's not accessed naturally enough for me to believe it's actually happening outside of Pandora, the scene viewer, or the occasional pre-rendered cutscene"

and

"Grinding missions to level the waifus in order to buy sexy loops is one of the least engaging ways to integrate sex into a video game I have ever encountered"

I hope that cleared things up about your question because you were a bit off about the complaints here. At least I hope you wanted an honest answer to that and not just trolling.

 

[thegrindisreal]

I am stuck at the Erark's Manion quest. The Erark's Manual button is grayed out and I can't click it. I am literally stuck. No option to abandon the quest and go back to the galaxy map...What a screw up.

 

[ChaosXD]

I am stuck at the Erark's Manion quest. The Erark's Manual button is grayed out and I can't click it. I am literally stuck. No option to abandon the quest and go back to the galaxy map...What a screw up.

Just lose a few times and skip it. That's what I did.

 

[Mr. Weeaboo]

Please can someone explain me the color system in the pandora thing ? the sex scenes have either gold, purple or blue frames. I though the golden meant it had more "interractivity" with the speed and camera control, but I think I've seen that in a purple one too so I'm confused about the difference. I don't know which scenes i should unlock first...

Blue are the normal looping scenes, Yellow are premiums with the sliders and climax, Purple are also premium, but were requested scenes from the top backers of the Kickstarter

how do you unlock the last character? (not Blyte)

FOW-Chan will be added in 1.1

 

[thegrindisreal]

Just lose a few times and skip it. That's what I did.

The more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that instead, I should have skipped the game altogether...

 

[Readerf2b]

Its obviously one of the most "made" games on f95, having a solid game play, finished story line, actual animations of unique characters and 10\10 voice-work. But its not a porn game. It is a game with extreme amount of references to porn that also have a porn gallery attached. Sadly its not what you expect from a porn game. Porn game need porn as integrated part, be it reward for playing, random encounter or even a "bad end".

 

[EZMoney0320]

Who has Devotion sex scenes anyone?

 

[Denji_DOG]

Blue are the normal looping scenes, Yellow are premiums with the sliders and climax, Purple are also premium, but were requested scenes from the top backers of the Kickstarter



FOW-Chan will be added in 1.1

I hope the developers of this misunderstanding enjoy the feedback from the players, lmao.

 

[thegrindisreal]

Guys I have another bug...You won't believe it...The last boss...the humongous dick gundam...It doesn't have a health bar
The ultimate boss...
...
"Just skip it bro, and enjoy our interactive Pandora scenes."
-Subverse 2024

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Its obviously one of the most "made" games on f95, having a solid game play, finished story line, actual animations of unique characters and 10\10 voice-work. But its not a porn game. It is a game with extreme amount of references to porn that also have a porn gallery attached. Sadly its not what you expect from a porn game. Porn game need porn as integrated part, be it reward for playing, random encounter or even a "bad end".

Technically speaking, unlocking the scenes in Pandora is a reward for playing.

 

[avg54]

Finished the game and few devotion quests.
1.0 sure is kinda disappointing. Almost everything they added is meh and things they changed are worse than before.

- New Pandora screen is just ugly. Why scenes' icons are colorless now? It's so much harder to find the scene you want. Why change it, it was fine before.
- Tactical Combat completely lack ANY challenge now. Removing individual leveling was a good idea but it seems they forgot to balance the game after that decision. 99% of the fights I finished by just picking same mantics and just attacking enemies. No tactic, no planning, nothing. It worked since enemies just die in one or two hits now. I never even used DEVA mode and I don't even know how to activate it. I'm not really saying I wanted this "game" to be hard but the x-com part is SO easy I hardly see any point to play it at all. Shmup part is at least fun if repetitive.
- Audio tapes are meh. Audio tapes were already a bad videogame trope like 10 years ago. Why add something like that in Subverse? Why not have a girl talking lewd stuff to you while being ON FUCKING SCREEN. Useless bar gift part of the game could've been used for those lewd dialogs, maybe custom scenes. Why fucking tapes? So dumb. Also, half of those are just more of le funny space humor, like you didn't get enough of that in the main game.
- Outfit change feature is kinda bad. It's either a recolor or some meh looking outfit which clips and bends during Pandora animations. Looks really cheap, like why even add something like that? Also, WHY THE FUCK there's no option for Demi to show nipples or for Huntress to remove the helmet? At first I thought they gonna play the Tali card like "use your imagination for Huntress" but no, she removes her helmet in her Devotion reward video. So why not as option for lvl40 Devotion outfit? Isn't it like a perfect reward for the grind? Instead of adding all those pointless poorly looking recolors they could've add an actual alternative to base look. But nope.
- Devotion videos. What's the point of making a game if you make porn as a video file? 10 second loops were already bad but at the very least they were rendered ingame which allowed for SOME interactivity with camera movement and VR (via UE injectors). These videos are just... videos. Begs the question why Subverse wasn't just a porn movie to begin with.
- Story final is boring and disappointing. You just kill the guy and... that's it. Where the hell is your final reward aka Celestina? What was so hard about adding her to the ship and giving her few Pandora scenes? Why tease her for years only to never make any lewd content with her and deny players of the final reward? Like seriously, what the hell? She was even present in loading screens among other girls but they removed those loading screens in 1.0 (and new loading screens are way worse btw). No sex with Celestina is easily the most disappointing part of 1.0 for me.

Kinda sad honestly. Game does have some good moments and I wish it had more meaningful content. The potential is there but the team doesn't have a proper vision to fully realise that potential.

 

[huengu21]

well 1/2 of these thing is true

atleast 1m6 euros get us this instead of a starfield copy porn slops steam game, make it 2 mils and we might just get the same thing with an actual engaging combat system plus a side quest to fight off fuccbots to buy 10 trillions copy of todd howard's skyrim

 

[Infamy]

I gonna agree here but if you read his review than re read his section about Pandora.

It is not about having "just" loopable gifs. It is about not having porn integrated in the story or even game mechanics. If you had both, like organically seeing some scenes during the story and not just the recruitment and devotion scenes, which only take up like 5% of the whole game and unlockables in pandora (the mantic scenes for example) no one....let me repeat myself. No one would have bat an eye.

Or if you are unable to come up with an idea to have that during the story than at least make it, like Federok88 mentioned before me, more interactive. I mean you can already talk to the girls and go on dates with them. Why not give the player a reward for choosing the right gift or dialogue option with a sex scene.
Have smaller side missions for the girls that gives you a scene. (Would make grind the anomalys way more fun to be honest).
Every 10 levels the girl visits you in your chambers and have sex with the MC.
Stumble about a scene by chance while clicking through the room on the ship. (The lab from Lily is a prime candidate to implement the mantic scenes.)

Things like this I brainstorm in minutes and the dev team seemed to be incapable of implementing xD Porn Game 101 stuff to be honest.
Case in point of budget. I believe not every line needed to be voiced that would have give leeway for exactly these things.

It is the complete lack of context that bothers the majority of folks.

Let me quote some lines from his review:
" While the copious amount of sex the crew allegedly have with each other is heavily referenced in dialogue amongst themselves and with the people the crew encounter, it's not accessed naturally enough for me to believe it's actually happening outside of Pandora, the scene viewer, or the occasional pre-rendered cutscene"

and

"Grinding missions to level the waifus in order to buy sexy loops is one of the least engaging ways to integrate sex into a video game I have ever encountered"

I hope that cleared things up about your question because you were a bit off about the complaints here. At least I hope you wanted an honest answer to that and not just trolling.

Naw this is perfect homie I would had settled for less I get that frustration from people but I guess I have been familiar with StudioFoW enough to know what I was gonna get from them I agree them putting more "Effort" into the interactivity and the lead up but part of me feels like behind the scenes they gave themselves hard deadlines and thus hurt them but this is me head cannoning on why it just didn't flesh out the way we hoped idk but appreciate the response to be fair I was writing and reading that shit at like 6am on a 2 day no sleep marathon because of work with that dreaded deadline approaching next week.

 

[Deleted member 8257739]

I've got to say the bodywriting feature is hot, as are the devotion outfits. Hope someone does all the pandora scenes with them and the devotion outfits one day. I would but I don't have a PC. Some screenshots I found people sharing of it.

 

[Bruce_Wayne18]

Finished the game and few devotion quests.
1.0 sure is kinda disappointing. Almost everything they added is meh and things they changed are worse than before.

- New Pandora screen is just ugly. Why scenes' icons are colorless now? It's so much harder to find the scene you want. Why change it, it was fine before.
- Tactical Combat completely lack ANY challenge now. Removing individual leveling was a good idea but it seems they forgot to balance the game after that decision. 99% of the fights I finished by just picking same mantics and just attacking enemies. No tactic, no planning, nothing. It worked since enemies just die in one or two hits now. I never even used DEVA mode and I don't even know how to activate it. I'm not really saying I wanted this "game" to be hard but the x-com part is SO easy I hardly see any point to play it at all. Shmup part is at least fun if repetitive.
- Audio tapes are meh. Audio tapes were already a bad videogame trope like 10 years ago. Why add something like that in Subverse? Why not have a girl talking lewd stuff to you while being ON FUCKING SCREEN. Useless bar gift part of the game could've been used for those lewd dialogs, maybe custom scenes. Why fucking tapes? So dumb. Also, half of those are just more of le funny space humor, like you didn't get enough of that in the main game.
- Outfit change feature is kinda bad. It's either a recolor or some meh looking outfit which clips and bends during Pandora animations. Looks really cheap, like why even add something like that? Also, WHY THE FUCK there's no option for Demi to show nipples or for Huntress to remove the helmet? At first I thought they gonna play the Tali card like "use your imagination for Huntress" but no, she removes her helmet in her Devotion reward video. So why not as option for lvl40 Devotion outfit? Isn't it like a perfect reward for the grind? Instead of adding all those pointless poorly looking recolors they could've add an actual alternative to base look. But nope.
- Devotion videos. What's the point of making a game if you make porn as a video file? 10 second loops were already bad but at the very least they were rendered ingame which allowed for SOME interactivity with camera movement and VR (via UE injectors). These videos are just... videos. Begs the question why Subverse wasn't just a porn movie to begin with.
- Story final is boring and disappointing. You just kill the guy and... that's it. Where the hell is your final reward aka Celestina? What was so hard about adding her to the ship and giving her few Pandora scenes? Why tease her for years only to never make any lewd content with her and deny players of the final reward? Like seriously, what the hell? She was even present in loading screens among other girls but they removed those loading screens in 1.0 (and new loading screens are way worse btw). No sex with Celestina is easily the most disappointing part of 1.0 for me.

Kinda sad honestly. Game does have some good moments and I wish it had more meaningful content. The potential is there but the team doesn't have a proper vision to fully realise that potential.

You just saved me 10 minutes of venting

All jokes aside though, the ''finished'' game turned out to be such a disappointment.

This whole game could have been a video series and it would have been better off. The point of making a game is to make the characters more interactable and thus more immersive, which this GIF viewer of game failed terribly at.

Remember to vote with your wallets on their next project.

 

[Grozar]

Wish they completely focused on the mantics content and intergeate it perfectly with the plot, the sex scenes, the character animations on the train...

 

[NBV]

I'll leave this here.

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