To be fair, there is a case to be made that doing it after the game is done is just more work and less optimal. So if an art overhaul is needed for legitimate creative or logistic reasons, then it's better to do it now as opposed to later. Doing it later also does not exclude the possibilities i listed; just look at Karryn's Prison for example.
RPGM Succum Brewery [v0.4.4] [LimeJuiceGames]
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what happened with Karryn's Prison? the game where you're a sexy warden in a rowdy prison?
If we get into details or even a conversation the mods will come in, call everything off topic and wipe it from the face of the earth. Basically KP got slapped with a "Completed" tag a little over halfway through development and then the dev proceed to milk it for years with low effort (obvious by his previous output) updates, one of which being an art overhaul that literally no one asked for. The game still gets worthless updates despite being labeled "Complete" and half the originally planed content (the thing people actually want) missing in action.
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first thing I see when i read new changelog is
>May has an outfit change.
immediately assume its a refference to topgear intro
>May has an outfit change.
immediately assume its a refference to topgear intro
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kp is phenomenal and litterraly genre defining, the game is well worth the money and people supporting artist and dev outside of that just want those guys to do well to produce more, i dont think you can say that kp have missing feature from what the industry propose maybe he said he would do more than he did but there is already so much if you complain about that game you can complain about every game out there
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insane to think that people producing game alone is not a miracle if not done in 3 year, company with those 100+ employee litteraly struggle and you want one man to create a good game in less than that
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I believe the art overhaul has done more harm than good.
First, this was an unsolicited change, no one asked for it. Second, while it resolved a few minor inconsistencies in the MC’s body proportions, the final result is far from perfect. There are many instances where the MC looks like a completely different character from one image to the next. Eye size, breast size, nipple proportions, neck thickness, cat ears, and jawline are very inconsistent.
I know that an artist’s style "evolves" over time. However, I consider this new direction an overall downgrade. The game has lost some of its unique visual identity, and the current style feels less distinctive compared to the previous art. Imo, the MC was at her cutest and hottest in the earlier style shown below. What got me into this game was screenshots of the hot MC in a cool style while scrolling F95. I'm serious when I say the me from back then wouldn't try the game if he saw the new style.
I've seen your other comments, and I basically agree, though with a few caveats. You're right that 4-8 years for a standard RPGM or Ren'Py porn game is often a red flag, like milking or losing focus, especially when updates are more about polish than new content, such as art overhauls that fix some stuff but create issues and take away from the original style a bit.
That said, there are exceptions: some devs get overwhelmed and over-perfect, or projects in certain engines take longer. It depends on the person, e.g. I know someone who's really quick, while I take longer sometimes to make sure it's good. The Pilgrimage got done in about 2 years solo, with a sequel in the works, showing it's possible without excuses. (or Bawdy Tradition's was done in roughly 2 years as well, even though the author was a beginner)
For Succum Brewery, I like it, but after 3 years since 2022, still at v0.4.2, with tweaks that help but seem to delay real content? It feels off, like it's drifting with little bits here and there, and I thought that even over a year ago.
Your take sounds a bit harsh, but I get it: 4-8 years is usually way off, even for newbies. I'd say 3-5 years is more like a soft limit; if it goes beyond that, it's not a great sign, no matter the engine or whatever. It's not just about milking; devs should think about their own time too. Do you really want to spend that much of your life on one project? Maybe finish it and start something new, which could be more fun anyway. Everyone has to figure that out for themselves.
I think the discussion here is pretty healthy, at least on the last couple pages I've read, people are saying "yeah, but I see it differently" without straight-up insulting each other or saying stuff like "if you don't pay, shut up." That's mature, and it makes adding to it worthwhile.
I feel like definitions of things are loose at best. A banana taped to the wall was called art and it literally sold for millions of dollars. People out here claiming this isn't art would be clapping and applauding when Plato defined a human as a featherless biped.
What art is and isn't is largely subjective. I think that this in at least some capacity qualifies as art, though.
What art is and isn't is largely subjective. I think that this in at least some capacity qualifies as art, though.
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. Downloading issues? Look here.I can, and i did, and it's a fact and what you ended your post with is a blatant argumentative fallacy.
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you do whatever you want i will not stop thinking than taking Kp as a reference for a project that underdeliver and milk people is audacious
i dont even know what a blatant argumentativ fallacy is, does that mean im lying to be right ? cause if im lying to you while saying that i think you are not objectiv
PS : i mean the game litteraly reinvented combat fuck and has a unique gameplay with hundred of hour of content
that s what im saying bro,bar sex scenes and waitress sex scenes are a must.I think there s only one sex scene and that s it.Still that s not a complaint(if the dev sees this) but more of a wish. The game really is well made and i appreciate it
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Yapper warning
Fwiw, I think the crux of the issue with the art is that even in both versions it lacked weight and impact, especially in the standing cgs. For example:
1, 2, & 3 all have conflicting anatomy going on with her breasts. 1 makes it seem like she's holding inflated balloons, not her breasts. 2 has the same issue, but it's amplified by the breast on the left just floating in the air. The breast that isn't being held up by a hand should not be suspended forward like a torpedo, as the corset below isn't pressing into it, nor does it have a cup to support the breast.
Breasts have weight to them, unless they're artificial and forced to hold an unnatural shape, which is what her breasts look like in her art. It's subjective, but I find the artificial breast shape unattractive. To each their own, ofc. 3 has the best shape, but even then it doesn't feel quite right, imo.
3. has an issue with the posing. The right hand is just kind of hovering with nothing to do, which makes it seem unnatural. I think they wanted to convey a dynamic feeling, like she was moving, but it doesn't quite achieve that. Also, it shows inconsistency with her breasts and facial structure. Her nipples are in a completely different location compared to other standing CGs. I think this has always been an issue with the art, though.
Another subjective complaint, but I really don't like the overruse of her tongue in many of the shots (i.e. the ahegao face.) A tongue-out pose can be really hot, but not if it's the primary way you convey her arousal. What about clenched teeth? A silent gasping 'O'-shaped mouth? Tightened lips with half-closed, glossy eyes? There's a lot of options that I think the new artist could explore.
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TL;DR: It's definitely NOT bad. It just isn't great. This is the kind of art that I think is servicable for a game that never really gets funded, but I don't think it's the quality of art that could be used as the overhaul for a game with significant funding. At roughly ~2-3k per month after Patreon's cut, I don't believe this hits the mark for an art update.
Again though, I thought the art of the game was fairly weak pre-overhaul, so my opinion probably isn't all that helpful as feedback. It felt too stiff then, and still does. I really think that a lot of these issues could be mitigated by better art direction and intent in the posing, but that would obviously require another overhaul lol
Fwiw, I think the crux of the issue with the art is that even in both versions it lacked weight and impact, especially in the standing cgs. For example:
1, 2, & 3 all have conflicting anatomy going on with her breasts. 1 makes it seem like she's holding inflated balloons, not her breasts. 2 has the same issue, but it's amplified by the breast on the left just floating in the air. The breast that isn't being held up by a hand should not be suspended forward like a torpedo, as the corset below isn't pressing into it, nor does it have a cup to support the breast.
Breasts have weight to them, unless they're artificial and forced to hold an unnatural shape, which is what her breasts look like in her art. It's subjective, but I find the artificial breast shape unattractive. To each their own, ofc. 3 has the best shape, but even then it doesn't feel quite right, imo.
3. has an issue with the posing. The right hand is just kind of hovering with nothing to do, which makes it seem unnatural. I think they wanted to convey a dynamic feeling, like she was moving, but it doesn't quite achieve that. Also, it shows inconsistency with her breasts and facial structure. Her nipples are in a completely different location compared to other standing CGs. I think this has always been an issue with the art, though.
Another subjective complaint, but I really don't like the overruse of her tongue in many of the shots (i.e. the ahegao face.) A tongue-out pose can be really hot, but not if it's the primary way you convey her arousal. What about clenched teeth? A silent gasping 'O'-shaped mouth? Tightened lips with half-closed, glossy eyes? There's a lot of options that I think the new artist could explore.
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TL;DR: It's definitely NOT bad. It just isn't great. This is the kind of art that I think is servicable for a game that never really gets funded, but I don't think it's the quality of art that could be used as the overhaul for a game with significant funding. At roughly ~2-3k per month after Patreon's cut, I don't believe this hits the mark for an art update.
Again though, I thought the art of the game was fairly weak pre-overhaul, so my opinion probably isn't all that helpful as feedback. It felt too stiff then, and still does. I really think that a lot of these issues could be mitigated by better art direction and intent in the posing, but that would obviously require another overhaul lol
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