VN Ren'Py Summer Heat [v0.6.1] [Naughty Fox Games]

[Ass prefer]

Northpx Regarding the progress bar stuff and how to do it going forward, the question can only be answered if we know what the progress bars represent now.

I'll take renders as an example: At some points in this dev cycle, some weeks saw 7/8% progress there and now we're on to 1% weeks, so what are the % supposed to represent and what changed? Were you doing 100 renders a week at some point and are now only doing 15 (the numbers are examples), or are you always doing roughly the same but the number of total and remaining renders kept growing? Or were the percentages always just a guesstimate rather than tied to a target number?

Personally I think an ideal progress bar would be a per "scene" progress. Again with renders as an example, the progress bar would say "Scenes rendered: X/Y", with X being the scenes that have been fully rendered and Y being the total planned scenes. If you find yourself adding a scene or five mid-dev cycle, you add them to Y and that's fine. If the last few scenes take longer, mention in the dev log that this or that scene is proving to be challenging and again that's fine (unless the last scene takes 4 months, of course). Then we have a concrete number to keep track on instead of somewhat nebulous percentages. And of course, do the same for "Scenes written/Scenes animated/Scenes coded in/...".

Just my grain of sand, anyway.

it's better to make one big progress scale rather than 5 small ones it will be clearer to everyone this way

 

[MagLev]

it's better to make one big progress scale rather than 5 small ones it will be clearer to everyone this way

Problem is, what do you tie that progress bar to? Say you've written most of the chapter, rendered half of it and coded some of it and haven't yet done the animations, what does that come out to?

IMO it's better to separate tasks and it's ideal to base the progress on each task on concrete figures rather than an abstract percentage.

 

[humantrashpile]

it's better to make one big progress scale rather than 5 small ones it will be clearer to everyone this way

Problem is, what do you tie that progress bar to? Say you've written most of the chapter, rendered half of it and coded some of it and haven't yet done the animations, what does that come out to?

IMO it's better to separate tasks and it's ideal to base the progress on each task on concrete figures rather than an abstract percentage.

Northpx Regarding the progress bar stuff and how to do it going forward, the question can only be answered if we know what the progress bars represent now.

I'll take renders as an example: At some points in this dev cycle, some weeks saw 7/8% progress there and now we're on to 1% weeks, so what are the % supposed to represent and what changed? Were you doing 100 renders a week at some point and are now only doing 15 (the numbers are examples), or are you always doing roughly the same but the number of total and remaining renders kept growing? Or were the percentages always just a guesstimate rather than tied to a target number?

Personally I think an ideal progress bar would be a per "scene" progress. Again with renders as an example, the progress bar would say "Scenes rendered: X/Y", with X being the scenes that have been fully rendered and Y being the total planned scenes. If you find yourself adding a scene or five mid-dev cycle, you add them to Y and that's fine. If the last few scenes take longer, mention in the dev log that this or that scene is proving to be challenging and again that's fine (unless the last scene takes 4 months, of course). Then we have a concrete number to keep track on instead of somewhat nebulous percentages. And of course, do the same for "Scenes written/Scenes animated/Scenes coded in/...".

Just my grain of sand, anyway.

if the progress bars do not associate tasks with the amount of time estimated to complete them, then the devs, as well as us coomers jerking off to cartoons have failed to understand basic fucking principles of project management. stop trying to decipher this shit like its the rosetta stone. it is not.

if one were to see them as being malicious, it could be an obfuscation of progress indicator and a good way to keep retards subbed on their patreon.

if one were to believe they were re-incarnations of jesus christ, you can assume them to be dumbfucks who dont know how to set and manage deadlines.

 

[John972]

aside from us being cool with whatever time they need for free things we get.... them being indie doesnt mean they dont/shouldnt know how to structure their projects or atleast let their paying customers know WHEN theyll be coming out with an update. this is a problem that has been solved, lets not pretend they need to reinvent the wheel and figure out how electricity works everytime they need to make an update without the big titty teacher

I assume you are not new here and not new to the world of AVN development.

Therefore, in what universe do you think it's a good idea for AVN developers to commit to a release date (i.e. "when") well in advance? Doing so invariably never ends well (as evidenced by the occasions it's happened with many AVNs on this forum). If a developer misses a deadline by even a few days, they end up getting excoriated by their user base. If they do that once... Pepperidge Farm Remembers...

Most developers only commit to a release date a week or two before release.

 

[humantrashpile]

I assume you are not new here and not new to the world of AVN development.

Therefore, in what universe do you think it's a good idea for AVN developers to commit to a release date (i.e. "when") well in advance? Doing so invariably never ends well (as evidenced by the occasions it's happened with many AVNs on this forum). If a developer misses a deadline by even a few days, they end up getting excoriated by their user base. If they do that once... Pepperidge Farm Remembers...

Most developers only commit to a release date a week or two before release.

i am new here. i come here, bitch bout the lack of big titty teacher not getting more attention, fap and leave. prolly the second porn game ive tried that i havent deleted within 5 minutes of playing it.

and no, i dont believe in putting a pair of knitting needles through my eyes just cause itll be more convenient for the creators.

no one is saying that they need to get it out within 1000h when it shouldve taken them or anyone else 2000h to do the work. there is a thing called buffer that could possibly allow them to exven go for 3k hours to finish the work. let the user base decide whether they want the devs to release smaller updates, or larger ones. and then they gotta stick to it. cause yeah, Pepperidge Farm should fucking Remember.

they and their own retarded customers decided on this system a sub zero IQ monkey would reject.

and i could agree that its fine, thier money, their work. but to have yall here of all places make excuses bout how this points to their astuteness is just the worst.

 

[Sweet Force]

you should mind. a progress bar should ALWAYS come with a timeline..otherwise, they could just say, itll take 9 more years to render 70 images or something. im already disappointed by the lack of big titty teacher in the upcoming update. its a double whammy when i dont even know when i will be disappointed by the new update

How are you sure that the teacher does not finally reveal her majestic breasts?. Maybe there is something I missed, I think that at least one of the 5 protagonists (not counting Mia because she already did it), will have to show them, right? . Also, if the bar is at 99% and there is still one scene left, that means that there are 99 scenes finished, I have faith.

 

[Ass prefer]

big titty teacher

Just to clarify, are you talking about Miss Hills?

 

[humantrashpile]

How are you sure that the teacher does not finally reveal her majestic breasts?. Maybe there is something I missed, I think that at least one of the 5 protagonists (not counting Mia because she already did it), will have to show them, right? . Also, if the bar is at 99% and there is still one scene left, that means that there are 99 scenes finished, I have faith.

i really hope youre right. i really do hope youre right.

Just to clarify, are you talking about Miss Hills?

not sure what her name is...but i mean the teacher who brought everyone together for some arts and craft thing over the holidays. not her sisters or any other older woman also introduced. shes the one whos dating the grumpy guy whos kinda better as an MC

 

[Flowing Thought]

Just to clarify, are you talking about Miss Hills?

She is the only teacher with tits. I don't think Miller has any.

 

[Ass prefer]

i really hope youre right. i really do hope youre right.

not sure what her name is...but i mean the teacher who brought everyone together for some arts and craft thing over the holidays. whos dating the grumpy guy whos kinda better as an MC

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[humantrashpile]

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fucking hell yeah! didnt realize thats what her name was

 

[Ass prefer]

She is the only teacher with tits. I don't think Miller has any.

Well, in my understanding, she is not a teacher who works at a school.This is a summer camp, there should be a different definition of "teacher". I forgot the word

 

[humantrashpile]

Well, in my understanding, she is not a teacher who works at a school.This is a summer camp, there should be a different definition of "teacher". I forgot the word

i kinda didnt notice much bout the plot or her name or anything much after i saw her.... camp counselor is the word we;'re lookin for

imma stick with big titty counselor from now on

 

[Ass prefer]

camp counselor

Yes, it is. I was misled by your words about the teacher

 

[JJ1960]

Noice...I like the onesie she has on. Is that the kind that unbutton at the crotch for easy access?

It isn't. I had to push it off to the side over and over again.

 

[Tinez82]

It isn't. I had to push it off to the side over and over again.

That's when you gotta man up and just rip the whole fckn thing off and tell her "I'll buy you a new one baby"

 

[Supergamer11]

Random thought in regards to recent controversy of progress bars/ in game time passing:

Even though we all understand general vn plot structures (faster and slower plot lines for milfs, more popular characters, etc.). I think the game has enough charm at times to where I kind of blissfully ignore something a bit weird. For example the in game time progression from day 1 to the upcoming update. The playable days concept is interesting/confusing in the sense that yes we are still within 1-2 days of arriving at camp and we’ve already got some unnaturally strong feelings with certain LI’s. I feel like maybe the “playable day” is intended to be a feature of necessity rather than an actual representation of how much time has passed since arriving at camp. Like the implication here is that more time has actually passed than what is represented with in game days. But even if that is the case, how are we as players supposed to naturally detect that? I could just be making myself look like an idiot in saying this but oh well it’s just a thought. Lol

But again I sort of willingly ignore it because of the charm of the game and characters, even if it sticks out. I could be very far off on this but just a general thought.

 

[allanl9020142]

Random thought in regards to recent controversy of progress bars/ in game time passing:

Even though we all understand general vn plot structures (faster and slower plot lines for milfs, more popular characters, etc.). I think the game has enough charm at times to where I kind of blissfully ignore something a bit weird. For example the in game time progression from day 1 to the upcoming update. The playable days concept is interesting/confusing in the sense that yes we are still within 1-2 days of arriving at camp and we’ve already got some unnaturally strong feelings with certain LI’s. I feel like maybe the “playable day” is intended to be a feature of necessity rather than an actual representation of how much time has passed since arriving at camp. Like the implication here is that more time has actually passed than what is represented with in game days. But even if that is the case, how are we as players supposed to naturally detect that? I could just be making myself look like an idiot in saying this but oh well it’s just a thought. Lol

But again I sort of willingly ignore it because of the charm of the game and characters, even if it sticks out. I could be very far off on this but just a general thought.

Yea I'm willing to have suspension of disbelief if the story and characters are captivating enough. The sexy-ass quality of the renders don't hurt either. As long as it doesn't get too out of hand, the only times those illogical inconsistencies become glaring flaws are when the character writing starts to suck or the grammar is awful. If you take me out of the story, I start asking questions.

 

[somedude0190]

I only pop in from time to time and I think this might be the first time I talked here, but my suggestion would be an overall progress bar as well. I get that is hard to do especially in the beginning when you really don't have a lot to work off of but I would suggest adding about 20% to your timeline roughly for a bit of a cushion that way if your early that's great if your late it's not as bad. Like say you think it will take 6 months for the whole update then you would say roughly 7 and a half months or so then if you think it's roughly 3 months say about 14 weeks. As you get closer to time that 20% will still give you a bit of room but should be fairly close to when you think so like say it gets down to around a week maybe say roughly 9 days. People will be happy if it takes 7 days instead and if your still a bit off and it takes 12 days then they will have 2 less days to stew in there anger. If this sounded dumb I apologize but that is kind of how I live my life I rather be early than late so I over estimate how long it takes me to go places.

 

[a-lex]

games with "summer" in their names are never disappointed me. i would love to see more content with kate but even so it was a really good game