VN Ren'Py Summer Heat [v0.6.1] [Naughty Fox Games]

[Sweet Force]

Of course they will always be exceptions. It doesn’t change 99% of everything else.

Anyway, i don't know what to think of your remark about AVNs devs/creators, saying a dev who doesn't expand and/or create a studio/company, is either lazy or arrogant is a bit much if not, excuse me for saying it, a bit dumb. (even if, again, there are exceptions and probably some of them are like that for sure (and i have some in mind too), it should not be generalize to everyone ever imo )

There are hundreds of reasons for it that as nothing to with money or arrogance. But i'm the lazy one here and i'm not gonna list all reasons that i can think of right now. I'm sure you can figure it out alone ^^

You called me stupid?, You just made an enemy for life!... I'm lying, I'm joking, you're one of the most reasonable people in the thread, I can't take anything you say the wrong way. Maybe I shouldn't have generalized so much, I'm not saying that all developers should have a shark mentality and that those who don't expand their team are egocentric or lazy, I just find it curious how some developers who have the opportunity to hire people and don't do it use the same explanation: "Only I can make it perfect", and that there are exceptions to the rule that VNs are exclusively 1 or 2 person projects.

I've seen at least a few cases were the original dev has tried to hire help, and off the top of my head, over half of the hired help flakes and vanishes within a few months. If I had decent-level skills, would I take actual studio pay or get by on a meager slice of the money many creators on here are collecting. The typical income in the US for someone with actual graphic artist skills exceeds what many AVN devs are pulling in from working on these games.

Second, as you note yourself, OppaiMan games aren't great. How much of that is because they just hired whatever people not putting in the greatest work. With many of the AVNs I've gotten, they are something of a passion project, and hiring any random half-assed person would seriously downgrade the quality of the game to OppaiMan or worse. I went thru my collection, and I only have one that is made by OppaiMan themselves, and one or two others written by others but available on the OppaiMan store.

Third, it turns out making these games isn't cheap. For many of the solo dev games I follow, the first bottleneck to overcome isn't having a second person working on it, but the length of time rendering takes.

There are some cloud-hosted rent-by-the hour rendering solutions. I priced one out a while ago based on one dev's detailed account of a delay due to having to rework animations for a single scene. The release had the equivalent of 45-60 days of 24/7 rendering on a dedicated 3090, plus using a second machine for writing, posing, and any other non-rendering work. Found an online calculator for one of the cloud-based services, and it would have ranged from $12k-$15k to do the rendering using their service, albeit it would have been much faster. That dev gets about $5k a month from Patreon. They weren't US-based, so maybe they can survive with a roof over their head on that kind of revenue after all the expenditures that come from making a game, but it doesn't sound great.

If I were to suddenly decide I wanted to make it as an AVN dev, maybe I could get away with just sinking thousands of dollars into finding an unobtainium 5090, but to increase render capacity to anything close to a healthy release cadence and be in need of a second person, I'd want a dual RTX 6000 workstation (just priced one out at $22k) for rendering and a second pc for writing, posing, and compiling. A second, full-time writer/dev or maybe just a dedicated scene composer, I'm not sure two of the dual RTX 6000 machines would keep up for a higher image quality game.

So, configuring a pair of pcs to do the work, buying all the assets, giving up a day job to commit to it full time, I'd need minimum $75k in spare change laying around for startup and to hold over until I got a following, with $20k or more in monthly income within the first few months to produce releases at speed with above-average quality. That amount wouldn't even pay back the startup costs over the first year or two, and wouldn't cover the salary of a second person working on it.

Somehow OppaiMan is drawing almost top-15 AVN numbers on Patreon, while also running a marketplace to sell other's games. I guess they have found a niche people are willing to spend money on, so good for them.

I will tell you that I accept what you wrote, but I want to add a fact to the equation, they are from Brazil, the salaries are not the same, I don't know how much the minimum wage is in the US, but what they earn on patreon (not counting steam) exceeds 127 minimum wages in their country. You don't have to think only about how much they earn but add the country of origin of the developers, maybe in the United States if you earn 2000 dollars you don't make ends meet, but if you earn 2000 dollars being a developer from, for example, Argentina, you are already earning more money than 80% of the families in the country, OppaiMan does not hire programmers or artists from the US, they hire people from Brazil, therefore their salary is cheaper. It is better not to talk about the subject anymore because they will delete our comments.

I just want to add that we have to be patient, this update will be the best of all, I assure you, Eve's monthly special is similar to Mia's before her sexual content comes to the game, it's horrible to have to wait 200 days (approximately what's left for 0.7), but you have to have faith in God, hallelujah my brothers. And if they're going to include Helen as a possible monthly special, we're all doomed, include Mike too, nothing matters anymore.

 

[_5hr0uded]

Are there any other games out there like this one? Loving the detailed renders and realistic graphics …

 

[Maviarab]

Are there any other games out there like this one? Loving the detailed renders and realistic graphics …

https://f95zone.to/forums/recommendations-identification.104/

 

[Meabe37]

You called me stupid?, You just made an enemy for life!... I'm lying, I'm joking, you're one of the most reasonable people in the thread, I can't take anything you say the wrong way. Maybe I shouldn't have generalized so much, I'm not saying that all developers should have a shark mentality and that those who don't expand their team are egocentric or lazy, I just find it curious how some developers who have the opportunity to hire people and don't do it use the same explanation: "Only I can make it perfect", and that there are exceptions to the rule that VNs are exclusively 1 or 2 person projects.

Yes please don't take it the wrong way, i don't think that you are, just this sentence. I honestly struggle for 10 min as whether or not i would write the word "dumb"and felt bad doing it. But yeah i say plenty of dumb stuff all the time too, it happen, so i figured that it would be fine and hope you don't take offence on it.

Anyway, i try to be impartial, logic and reasonable even tho i'm obviously in the "supporter camp", it's so sweetforce of you to notice

Yes i wrote this sentence only to make this dumb joke.

 

[Panther16]

it's horrible to have to wait 200 days (approximately what's left for 0.7)

How sure are you that we will have to wait 200 more days for 0.7? I was expecting 2 months tops. They already gave us a preview render of Ms. Hill spraying us with some liquid a couple status updates ago.

 

[Meabe37]

How sure are you that we will have to wait 200 more days for 0.7? I was expecting 2 months tops. They already gave us a preview render of Ms. Hill spraying us with some liquid a couple status updates ago.

Devs said they wanted the update to be closer to 0.5 numbers, so yeah, probably 6 more months at the very least . Peeps who are saying "early summer" are very very optimistic imo, feels more like late summer/September to me.

 

[Blue Pasture]

You called me stupid?, You just made an enemy for life!... I'm lying, I'm joking, you're one of the most reasonable people in the thread, I can't take anything you say the wrong way. Maybe I shouldn't have generalized so much, I'm not saying that all developers should have a shark mentality and that those who don't expand their team are egocentric or lazy, I just find it curious how some developers who have the opportunity to hire people and don't do it use the same explanation: "Only I can make it perfect", and that there are exceptions to the rule that VNs are exclusively 1 or 2 person projects.




I will tell you that I accept what you wrote, but I want to add a fact to the equation, they are from Brazil, the salaries are not the same, I don't know how much the minimum wage is in the US, but what they earn on patreon (not counting steam) exceeds 127 minimum wages in their country. You don't have to think only about how much they earn but add the country of origin of the developers, maybe in the United States if you earn 2000 dollars you don't make ends meet, but if you earn 2000 dollars being a developer from, for example, Argentina, you are already earning more money than 80% of the families in the country, OppaiMan does not hire programmers or artists from the US, they hire people from Brazil, therefore their salary is cheaper. It is better not to talk about the subject anymore because they will delete our comments.

I just want to add that we have to be patient, this update will be the best of all, I assure you, Eve's monthly special is similar to Mia's before her sexual content comes to the game, it's horrible to have to wait 200 days (approximately what's left for 0.7), but you have to have faith in God, hallelujah my brothers. And if they're going to include Helen as a possible monthly special, we're all doomed, include Mike too, nothing matters anymore.

I was trying to be careful in mentioning US dollars, and acknowledge that in many parts of the world, the math works out better. Minimum wage in the US is criminally low. A full time job at double the minimum wage in many areas still leaves one in poverty here, and without the benefits of access to decent healthcare. I saw someone in another thread express it in terms of housing costs. In my area, a basic, 30-50 year old house, 3 bedrooms, 1 or 2 baths, under 1,300 square foot, can cost over $350k to purchase. And we are in the rust belt where things are "more affordable" than on the coasts (NY, Miama, LA, SF are insanely more expensive)

I've just had my first play thru, and Eve is certainly the most intriguing to me as well.

 

[GamerQueen]

I can see few users who aren't supporting the developer (financially) but cursing him for the delay in updates.

 

[Maviarab]

I can see few users who aren't supporting the developer (financially) but cursing him for the delay in updates.

That's like...just...every thread here lol. The entitlement is very stong around deez eer parts

 

[ChipLecsap]

I can see few users who aren't supporting the developer (financially) but cursing him for the delay in updates.

this is a Pirate forum

 

[NebulousShooter]

this is a Pirate forum

I can see few users who aren't supporting the developer (financially) but cursing him for the delay in updates.

The above post, but also every single AVN that I've supported, or bought I've pirated first, so there is that.

Filthy pirates often are potential costumers, seeing as a majority of the popular devs started here. Disregarding people's criticism just because they didn't offer the life altering sum of $2-$5 to the devs is kinda silly. The fact that someone can afford to and grandstanding others that can't support is beyond cringe, so I hope that wasn't your intention.

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

One of the most fascinating things about the AVN genre is that the black market is its biggest market, and so it is common practice for even fully legit* devs to have a presence here to advertise their games and interact with the fanbase. Not all do of course, some have gotten too big for their britches and forgot where they came from , and some don't like this dependence on the pirates for marketing and refuse to (publicly) show up here. I first found AVNs on Steam, played a few popular ones there including one that is a nexus for cameos, and while looking for games those cameos came from (that weren't on Steam) I found this site. Now I've played many more and still buy the good ones on Steam or itch, but I never would have found them if not for sailing the high seas.

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* by "legit" I mean a game that can be sold on any of the various platforms without fear of scrutiny by their censors.

 

[Wonder Wolf]

Devs said they wanted the update to be closer to 0.5 numbers, so yeah, probably 6 more months at the very least . Peeps who are saying "early summer" are very very optimistic imo, feels more like late summer/September to me.

No early summer release? How could you say such sad words without a problem?


Seriously it's not easy to tell when the new update will arrive but between End of June till August, I think is the most realistic release date.

 

[Blue Pasture]

The above post, but also every single AVN that I've supported, or bought I've pirated first, so there is that.
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Filthy pirates often are potential costumers, seeing as a majority of the popular devs started here. Disregarding people's criticism just because they didn't offer the life altering sum of $2-$5 to the devs is kinda silly. The fact that someone can afford to and grandstanding others that can't support is beyond cringe, so I hope that wasn't your intention.

This. After getting burned on one, I will download from here to see how it plays, then monitor update frequency before I support a dev.

Some I support on Patreon, others I've bought from Steam. If a dev only does one release a year (or less in some cases), doesn't have the game available on Steam with updates included, and has a crazy minimum membership level on Patreon, then I am not likely to support them consistently.

Idealy I'd like to see 2 or 3 updates a year. Ok, who am I kidding, I'd love to see monthly, but I understand how unrealistic that is. At 2 updates a year, I start to forget the story line and who the characters are in the game. It's hard for me to get back into a game once I hit that wall.

 

[humantrashpile]

Its been 5 whole months since the last update and they have not yet even started talking about a possibility of when the next update might be. The devs seem to be sticking to the 1.5 update a year model, which is just insane to me.

Its taking so long between each update that i legit forgot all the conversations i had with the girls, i forgot most of the scenes, i am starting to forget what some of them look like...This is just silly, just hire another person on your team if you can't handle it with just 2 people.

I dont wanna sound like a broke record but if this update takes 6+ months to release, whats the point? Its not like the updates are huge or anything, they are surprisingly small for the amount of time they take.

true. but youll have the opion to change the color of a toaster from what ive surmised. thats big news. and releasing disappointing updates is something you should be accustomed to at this point. no fun allowed, so say the devs, expect when mia rapes the mc

 

[TonyMurray]

true. but youll have the opion to change the color of a toaster from what ive surmised. thats big news. and releasing disappointing updates is something you should be accustomed to at this point. no fun allowed, so say the devs, expect when mia rapes the mc

Next step will be the option to change the setting on the toaster so when it pops, the bread is toasted to your specification. It's next-level interaction like this that will make the difference.

 

[sheepround]

Edit: Updated for 0.6.1


I've made a walkthrough/gallery unlocker for this game

Features:

• Adds hints to dialogue options
• Added 1 scene to scene replay
• Added a "Unlock all" button to the gallery

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thank you,sir

 

[JJ1960]

Next step will be the option to change the setting on the toaster so when it pops, the bread is toasted to your specification. It's next-level interaction like this that will make the difference.

Also the upcoming integration with AI so it delivers you something that tastes almost, but not quite, entirely unlike toast.

 

[armond]

Man..... this game is toast

 

[\\_Tremolo_//]

Man..... this game is toast