VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[BobTheDuck]

The game started with incest; you can even see the comments back from 2019 (very first page) that it had incest.



Well, considering it's been in the game from the start...

Of course, but what is officially released now is now what was then. Plenty of the original tags were removed as the game changed - and there also used to be Jeff's pp. I'm sure he still has one even though we don't get to see it anymore. I stand by the idea that the official version is what is released unpatched, purely as a technical, captain obvious style comment.

Ocean's EULA on steam also furthers the obvious technicality.

Personally I patched what I downloaded (thanks again for your tireless work). But in real terms, there is so little that actually changes in ameaningful way.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

For those who want incest, you always have your mother in the next room. Or sister. Or brother. At least one of the relatives.

I want to play a game where the story makes sense.

They're still adoptive siblings without the patch.

No, they're roommates.
I'm okay with them being adoptive siblings. It makes perfect sense that they're conflicted about their relationship.
The problem is that adoptive siblings don't call each other roommates, they call themselves brother and sister.
I understand that they don't even call each other step-brother and step-sister because of Patreon rules.
But to say that their relationship works fine without the patch is simply incorrect.

By the way, this is the main reason why I don't think Nika is blood related to the Zanes. Imagine how this would affect the main plot and then try to organically replace it with something in the story without the patch because at least half of the LIs could be Nika's sisters.

 

[BobTheDuck]

I want to play a game where the story makes sense.
No, they're roommates.
I'm okay with them being adoptive siblings. It makes perfect sense that they're conflicted about their relationship.
The problem is that adoptive siblings don't call each other roommates, they call themselves brother and sister.
I understand that they don't even call each other step-brother and step-sister because of Patreon rules.
But to say that their relationship works fine without the patch is simply incorrect.

By the way, this is the main reason why I don't think Nika is blood related to the Zanes. Imagine how this would affect the main plot and then try to organically replace it with something in the story without the patch because at least half of the LIs could be Nika's sisters.

Well, technically they've got their OWN rooms. So they're not roommates either. Housemates? Does that bend porn logic too far?

It doesn't matter what label/noun you give them, they've been raised playing together since they were young and have fit in with the expectations of growing up together, mimicking what they see of the other kids at school. Yet some people even get weirded out transgressing the friendzone as though they sky will break open, despite it being a complete mental construct. The tension is because of their highly developed mental image of each other, patch or no patch.

 

[Mamaragan]

The game started with incest; you can even see the comments back from 2019 (very first page) that it had incest.



Well, considering it's been in the game from the start...

A lot changed/been retconned since then. It's basically not the same game since Ocean took over

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

Well, technically they've got their OWN rooms. So they're not roommates either. Housemates? Does that bend porn logic too far?

It doesn't matter what label/noun you give them, they've been raised playing together since they were young and have fit in with the expectations of growing up together, mimicking what they see of the other kids at school. Yet some people even get weirded out transgressing the friendzone as though they sky will break open, despite it being a complete mental construct. The tension is because of their highly developed mental image of each other, patch or no patch.

Regardless of Patreon rules. If I was Ocean, I would remove any references and direct hints of relationship between Nami and Nika and Noji. No mother or adoptive mother, no roommates, no brother and sister, no siblings and step-siblings. Only Cheeto, Dude and Noji. But at the same time, I would write about their relationship as it is incest.

This creates a little mystery and understatement. We and the game know what's going on, but we pretend that we don't. Again, it doesn't matter if Patreon accepts it. I just think this approach looks interesting.

 

[weezal]

A lot changed/been retconned since then. It's basically not the same game since Ocean took over

ocean took over?

huh who was doing this before??

 

[Mamaragan]

ocean took over?

huh who was doing this before??

A dev called Regium. He worked with ocean in the very early part of the game

 

[Don Sucio]

For those who want incest, you always have your mother in the next room. Or sister. Or brother. At least one of the relatives.

Good idea! I´m going to try it and i will report here what is the result. (Please don´t recommend stupid things )

My incest kink is with sister and brother relationship, i haven´t brothers or sister, and i think many people with this fetish are like me, only one son, that is what makes the festish stronger.
Anyway if i had a sister i´m not sure i would try something with her, i mean, is just a fetish for me, like golden showers or those things, i don´t think i will try any of my fetish in my life, those are only for enjoy it here.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

Off the top of my head, why would Nojiko be so concerned about a possible romantic bond between the MC and Nami? Why would the MC be so concerned about doing stuff with Nami in front of other people (the pre pizza sho conversation)?

If you have to ask this, you really have little idea how the typical society would react to this, even if they aren't related. In society's mind, they may as well as well be. And what a few thousand people here think doesn't fucking matter...the vast majority of society would have an issue with it. Just look at the bullshit happening in the States right now? You really think otherwise?

Fuck me, most Murican's have an issue if someone is more than 6 fucking months older than their partner lol...let alone 2 'effective siblings' who have grown up together.

Hate to break this to you, but people who like incest, play porn games etc etc...post on this forum, are a massive, massive minority section of the world. You're either naïve as fuck or just being obstinate in not wanting to see the obvious truth of reality.

 

[Blueray]

Any news on the new Update?

 

[Maviarab]

Fair. If it works for you have at it. I've said it before I would prefer if they weren't blood related. It would keep their sibling bond without delving into incest which does nothing for me.

Admittedly I've never played the game without the "evil modder" patch (that somehow always comes out when the update drops) but there are more than a few examples of why them not being related makes no sense. Off the top of my head, why would Nojiko be so concerned about a possible romantic bond between the MC and Nami? Why would the MC be so concerned about doing stuff with Nami in front of other people (the pre pizza sho conversation)?

Do these things not happen if you play without the patch? Do the Nojiko concerned renders not appear? Doesn't Vanessa make those weird remarks in the jacuzzi about what's societally acceptable or not? Does the conversation with Nami before grabbing the pizza's not happen?

I'll say it again. He aways (up to this year) admitted the other story was an incest story. He always denied this one was. Makes no sense to deny it if he perfectly happy to admit the other one was.

Just take the stick outta ya ass and accept the truth. As for the where/why/wherefore, Olivia above sums it up perfectly. it's still not acceptable by modern societal standards (for the majorty of people) because they grew up together as siblings. The fact they are not is irreleveant. Just like it would still cause a societal scandal if I started screwing my 21yo step-niece.

 

[Kemal Ataturk]

Wonder what the excuse will be this time. Remember, the build is ready. He purposely refuses to upload it on Patreon regardless of the "pending" Steam approval which shouldn't affect Patreon release in any way shape or form.

If Milfy City can get Steam approval, there's no reason SG shouldn't. Ocean is being extremely sus.

 

[codex35]

Please re-upload all the pics. There're corrupt.

Stop spamming dude

 

[lorkdubo]

If you have to ask this, you really have little idea how the typical society would react to this, even if they aren't related. In society's mind, they may as well as well be. And what a few thousand people here think doesn't fucking matter...the vast majority of society would have an issue with it. Just look at the bullshit happening in the States right now? You really think otherwise?

Fuck me, most Murican's have an issue if someone is more than 6 fucking months older than their partner lol...let alone 2 'effective siblings' who have grown up together.

Hate to break this to you, but people who like incest, play porn games etc etc...post on this forum, are a massive, massive minority section of the world. You're either naïve as fuck or just being obstinate in not wanting to see the obvious truth of reality.

There is a TON, and i mean a TON of incest going on in the world without even including the middle-eastern. People tend to forget but there is rural areas where social stigma doesn't mean shit, but what's important is cultural town tradition. Also, people are not retarded and know about how incest is viewed by society and they are not going to announce they are siblings. One of them just quietly changes their name and moves away to a new place without people knowing them.
I mean... what do you expect to happen if people spend a lot of time together since young to adulthood, without including broken homes and/or parents where they have to rely on themselves. One last thing, the problem with incest is inter-generational incest, where the % of acquiring bad genes is high.
Just to clarify, I'm not advocating incest but just telling you that it happens a lot.

 

[Dark Quean Olivia]

There is a TON, and i mean a TON of incest going on in the world without even including the middle-eastern. People tend to forget but there is rural areas where social stigma doesn't mean shit, but what's important is cultural town tradition. Also, people are not retarded and know about how incest is viewed by society and they are not going to announce they are siblings. One of them just quietly changes their name and moves away to a new place without people knowing them.
I mean... what do you expect to happen if people spend a lot of time together since young to adulthood, without including broken homes and/or parents where they have to rely on themselves. One last thing, the problem with incest is inter-generational incest, where the % of acquiring bad genes is high.
Just to clarify, I'm not advocating incest but just telling you that it happens a lot.

Did I at any point say it didn't? Hmmm? Did I? Please quote where I did .

Neither do I need educating on the biology (and hysteria and misconceptions) of inter-related births either, It generally takes generations for defects to start becoming apparent and likely. Two people with no previous familial relationships in past generations are as likely to have a defected child as any other couple.

Now, is there anything else you feel you would like to try and educate me on?

 

[Don Sucio]

Fuck me, most Murican's have an issue if someone is more than 6 fucking months older than their partner lol...let alone 2 'effective siblings' who have grown up together.

This remind me to an actual polemic in my country, the mayor of my city has celebrated his wedding some days ago,his wife is 27 years old and he is around 47, plenty difference between them but...Why people get mad about this? I mean, they are mature people now, 27 years is absolutely an age where you know what to do with your life, well, people are upset about this in my city .

 

[Maviarab]

This remind me to an actual polemic in my country, the mayor of my city has celebrated his wedding some days ago,his wife is 27 years old and he is around 47, plenty difference between them but...Why people get mad about this? I mean, they are mature people now, 27 years is absolutely an age where you know what to do with your life, well, people are upset about this in my city .

Because generally speaking, people are fucking stupid and worry about shit that 1. is not worth worrying about and 2. Love to interfere in other people's business.

I swear Don, if peoppe spoent as much time as they do concerning themselves with other people and expanding energy on pointless shit, actually on themselves, they'd have far fewer problems in life.

 

[sorco2003]

I'll say it again. He aways (up to this year) admitted the other story was an incest story. He always denied this one was. Makes no sense to deny it if he perfectly happy to admit the other one was.

Just take the stick outta ya ass and accept the truth. As for the where/why/wherefore, Olivia above sums it up perfectly. it's still not acceptable by modern societal standards (for the majorty of people) because they grew up together as siblings. The fact they are not is irreleveant. Just like it would still cause a societal scandal if I started screwing my 21yo step-niece.

Ocean has denied on many occasions that WIAB has incest, all after the first witch hunt on Patreon. Before, yes, he admitted the situation, or at least once put it in writing. After that moment he stopped saying "cheerfully" and has even deleted comments on discord regarding the subject. Ocean's entrance to the scene in SG was after the first purge started, obviously he was not going to say that this had incest, but if you see logs that are no longer in patreon (those of regium) he says that Nami is the sister (well, actually the phrase is "when you have a hot sister" as a colorary of a photo of Nami).
However, this discussion no longer makes sense, it is what it is.

 

[mostwanted8]

The patch is unofficial, and goes against the terms of Ocean's EULA for steam at least.

The official version is ambiguity.

A couple of things. The patch doesn't change a single render, only text. The visual context is the same. That means that as shipped officially, the game has a complete set of renders, none of which are revealed by a patch. Ocean has shipped a complete game. An evil modder has exploited the ambiguity of Noji fostering them, and the ambiguity of both Nika and Nami's parents dying in similar circumstances. Nika as the narrative point doesn't explain much of his childhood and there are severe flaws in his recollection. The rest is up to your personal desire to live with ambiguity, or force it to fit something based on your preferences.

THere is no official support for patches from unknown sources.

It’s all just confusing as fuck honestly now that I’m delving into this.
Back in the day all I wanted was a wank, only to find myself in front of this.

I didn’t even fucking read the disclaimer the first time I started the game cause it was just that to me, yet another annoying disclaimer.
All I wanted was to jump straight into it, couldn't imagine the game wouldn't have sex for ages and still hasn't. Go figures!

That’s when I discovered that these games don’t need sex at all if they have a good story for me to enjoy them.
I liked this story in particular and everything made sense without the patch (mostly, ZPR’s basketball athletic program is just pure fiction lol).
Only to read the comments a few days back and find out that there’s an incest patch that many people consider the right way to play the game and whatnot cause there are patreon laws to circumvent. It made me seriously question if my way is the right way.

 

[sorco2003]

It’s all just confusing as fuck honestly now that I’m delving into this.
Back in the day all I wanted was a wank, only to find myself in front of this.
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I didn’t even fucking read the disclaimer the first time I started the game cause it was just that to me, yet another annoying disclaimer.
All I wanted was to jump straight into it, couldn't imagine the game wouldn't have sex for ages and still hasn't. Go figures!

That’s when I discovered that these games don’t need sex at all if they have a good story for me to enjoy them.
I liked this story in particular and everything made sense without the patch (mostly, ZPR’s basketball athletic program is just pure fiction lol).
Only to read the comments a few days back and find out that there’s an incest patch that many people consider the right way to play the game and whatnot cause there are patreon laws to circumvent. It made me seriously question if my way is the right way.

I am going to correct you, the patch does not appear a few days later... it appears just with the release of the update.