VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[yossa999]

I read through some of the previous pages, and I noticed some discussion about the original concept of the game having a dark route.

How far did the development go with this original concept before being reworked into the current story?

Not that far, the concept has changed too early. Only the personality of the MC has changed the most after the rework, now even with the roughest possible choices he does not talk and act like a psycho. Like an asshole maybe, but still a relatively sane asshole. As for the real dark, we didn’t get to see it, only early glimpses
For example (I don’t remember where did I get it from, maybe from the discord) the developer originally planned to let the MC to put some girls into submission and then use them to his advantage (though he didn't tell which girls). Do you remember how the MC had the opportunity to ask Maja for a favor in exchange for helping Vic? In Old Chapter 2, when Bella and the MC come up with a plot against the Holgersons, they think about who they could use to get Mario to cheat on his girlfriend. And the MC recalls Maja and tells Bella that he knows someone who owes him a favor and will come in handy for their plan. So he won't hesitate to whore Maja out to get the evidence of Mario's cheating for blackmail or whatever else. Unfortunately (or not), we didn't get a chance to see how it was supposed to play out, and I don't believe the renewed MC will do something like that to Maja.

 

[Kassandara]

Apparently we are still going to see 1 dark route in the story.
It's not really clear what kind of route it even is, only thing we know is that it's "locked" to 1 LI (that being Bella).

Bear in mind that it's not confirmed and stuff like this can always change, especially since we haven't seen anything about said path.

 

[desmosome]

Not that far, the concept has changed too early. Only the personality of the MC has changed the most after the rework, now even with the roughest possible choices he does not talk and act like a psycho. Like an asshole maybe, but still a relatively sane asshole. As for the real dark, we didn’t get to see it, only early glimpses
For example (I don’t remember where did I get it from, maybe from the discord) the developer originally planned to let the MC to put some girls into submission and then use them to his advantage (though he didn't tell which girls). Do you remember how the MC had the opportunity to ask Maja for a favor in exchange for helping Vic? In Old Chapter 2, when Bella and the MC come up with a plot against the Holgersons, they think about who they could use to get Mario to cheat on his girlfriend. And the MC recalls Maja and tells Bella that he knows someone who owes him a favor and will come in handy for their plan. So he won't hesitate to whore Maja out to get the evidence of Mario's cheating for blackmail or whatever else. Unfortunately (or not), we didn't get a chance to see how it was supposed to play out, and I don't believe the renewed MC will do something like that to Maja.

Was it changed due to public outcry? Or was it a more natural process where the dev came to the conclusions on his own? Just out of curiosity.

I actually always go for the dark corruption routes when available, but not having played the original, all I can say is that I really like the current execution and approach.

But yea, you definitely still see the remnants of a potential darkness route set up in the MC early on in the story. Pulling the trigger in the intro was pretty crazy to me considering this game had a reputation of being really emotional or heartfelt. I was like ok, this MC is in a really dark place and is unstable as fuck.

Then there are the conversations you mentioned. It's still there actually. You can ask for that favor, and it's mentioned during the conversation with Bella. Although how exactly they planned to use Maja (or Nami, if Maja favor wasn't available) might have been changed. Bella asks MC to use Nami to seduce Mario, but he shuts it down. But they do kinda settle on using Maja to help them if he has that favor, just not exactly in the whoring out way, if my read was correct. It was all a bit ambiguous though.

Then there are other monologues like when the MC thinks about misleading and using Bella for whatever means when he learns that she's looking into her mom's files (even on the Bella path).

I think that was the last one where the old MC really leaks through. It does feel a little bit inconsistent though. Ocean did a pretty good job with the MC's mental state, but there is still this shift in his outlook without anything specific really triggering this change. It does feel like a certain planned route was just dropped. It's not super jarring, since the current MC is still a bit of a psychopath faking it til he makes it, but it could be smoothed out a bit more, imo.

 

[yossa999]

Was it changed due to public outcry? Or was it a more natural process where the dev came to the conclusions on his own? Just out of curiosity.

I actually always go for the dark corruption routes when available, but not having played the original, all I can say is that I really like the current execution and approach.

But yea, you definitely still see the remnants of a potential darkness route set up in the MC early on in the story. Pulling the trigger in the intro was pretty crazy to me considering this game had a reputation of being really emotional or heartfelt. I was like ok, this MC is in a really dark place and is unstable as fuck.

Then there are the conversations you mentioned. It's still there actually. You can ask for that favor, and it's mentioned during the conversation with Bella. Although how exactly they planned to use Maja (or Nami, if Maja favor wasn't available) might have been changed. Bella asks MC to use Nami to seduce Mario, but he shuts it down. But they do kinda settle on using Maja to help them if he has that favor, just not exactly in the whoring out way, if my read was correct. It was all a bit ambiguous though.

Then there are other monologues like when the MC thinks about misleading and using Bella for whatever means when he learns that she's looking into her mom's files (even on the Bella path).

I think that was the last one where the old MC really leaks through. It does feel a little bit inconsistent though. Ocean did a pretty good job with the MC's mental state, but there is still this shift in his outlook without anything specific really triggering this change. It does feel like a certain planned route was just dropped. It's not super jarring, since the current MC is still a bit of a psychopath faking it til he makes it, but it could be smoothed out a bit more, imo.

He had several reasons to abandon the dark path, but it's actually better to let the dev speak for himself.
this
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-7660481
and that
https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-4-5-full-oceanlab.29981/post-7801662

As for some inconsistencies, the last part of the second chapter is still being reworked (I hope it will be released along with chapter 5), perhaps he will polish these places.

 

[desmosome]

So how about that Cheeto? We all love her right? Really well written bro/sis relationship if I've ever seen one.

 

[yossa999]

So how about that Cheeto? We all love her right? Really well written bro/sis relationship if I've ever seen one.

Of course we do! Although the definition of their relationship will always be a cause for a fight. The canonical public version states that they are not related by blood. The mod by "evil modder" changes this. Some of the lines and dialogue sound a bit meaningless unless they are related to blood, such as questions to the MC from acquaintances: “Why is Nami red?”
While the reasons why the canon version treats them as "the best roomies ever" are obvious, I still think that there is something not entirely clear about their origin

 

[desmosome]

Of course we do! Although the definition of their relationship will always be a cause for a fight. The canonical public version states that they are not related by blood. The mod by "evil modder" changes this. Some of the lines and dialogue sound a bit meaningless unless they are related to blood, such as questions to the MC from acquaintances: “Why is Nami red?”
While the reasons why the canon version treats them as "the best roomies ever" are obvious, I still think that there is something not entirely clear about their origin

What's the default relationship? Does it actually say roommates? I just assumed the default relationship is still a bro sis bond, just not blood related. Like they are both adopted by Noriko at a young age and they grew up as siblings for all intents and purposes. Is it not like that?

 

[yossa999]

What's the default relationship? Does it actually say roommates? I just assumed the default relationship is still a bro sis bond, just not blood related. Like they are both adopted by Noriko at a young age and they grew up as siblings for all intents and purposes. Is it not like that?

They are definitely raised as siblings, but it's never really been said out loud.

Nami and the MC are visiting Vic at hospital:
Nami: "*Sweet* Hi."
Vic: "Who are you?"
Nami: "I'm Nami."
Nami: "Nika's roomie."
Vic: "It's so n-nice that you two came."

First day at college:
Jeff: "You're a cute couple."
Nami: "Wow, wow, wow! We're roomies!"
Jeff: "Oh!"

Maja calling the MC:
MC: "GOD! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, NAMI!"
Maja: "Uhh- is this a bad ti-time?"
MC: "Oh! Maja? Is that you? Sorry, I thought you were my mentally crippled roommate."

And so on...

 

[desmosome]

They are definitely raised as siblings, but it's never really been said out loud.

Nami and the MC are visiting Vic at hospital:
Nami: "*Sweet* Hi."
Vic: "Who are you?"
Nami: "I'm Nami."
Nami: "Nika's roomie."
Vic: "It's so n-nice that you two came."

First day at college:
Jeff: "You're a cute couple."
Nami: "Wow, wow, wow! We're roomies!"
Jeff: "Oh!"

Maja calling the MC:
MC: "GOD! FOR FUCK'S SAKE, NAMI!"
Maja: "Uhh- is this a bad ti-time?"
MC: "Oh! Maja? Is that you? Sorry, I thought you were my mentally crippled roommate."

And so on...

Ah. This convinces me that the patch is the true story. If the non-patched version were to make sense, they wouldn't call each other roomies. If the backstory is that they grew up together since they were like 3 years old, under the same adoptive parent, they would certainly consider each other siblings and call each other bro/sis. It doesn't make sense that they would refer to each other as "roommates." And it also doesn't really make sense for other people to be like, "Oh, roommates, that totally clears up the misunderstanding that you guys are a couple." Because roommates totally can't be a couple, right?

So yea. The non-patched version is certainly a patreon work around that isn't quite thoroughly written to make sense of their relationship dynamic.

Like even with the patched version, they could potentially be half siblings, or even non-blood related (although that would certainly ruffle the feathers of incest purists lol). It's the essence of the relationship that really matters as far as selling their bond goes, more so than actual blood relations.

 

[Alexanderson037500aa]

First day at college:
Jeff: "You're a cute couple."
Nami: "Wow, wow, wow! We're roomies!"
Jeff: "Oh!"

Maybe I have low standards when it comes to humor, but I found this scene in the older version hilarious.

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[yossa999]

Maybe I have low standards when it comes to humor, but I found this scene in the older version hilarious.

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These are absolutely fine standards, I like it too. Damn, young Mila, if she only knew what would happen to her boobs

 

[Old Man Al]

These are absolutely fine standards, I like it too. Damn, young Mila, if she only knew what would happen to her boobs

More than equalized with what happened to her face.

I mean come on.

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[desmosome]

More than equalized with what happened to her face.

I mean come on.

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Damn, I was about to leave a jizzed my pants reaction, but that could be misconstrued here...

 

[Fortuna ღ]

i only saying that is annoying to find people like u, hunting every post just to defend the game of any and every criticism.

Only the dumb ones... so you're kind of specialღ

Im not stupid enough, or have enough money, to "support" the devolopment of a game, i will buy the game when its release.

It starts at $3 per month lol. The fact that you have so much to say, yet can't afford $3 a month is beyond hilarious

How is ur gag reflex? getting better?

Wouldn't you like to know? Lol, but yeah, if you want to experience something like that for the very first time, you should spend less time being rude on the internet and more time talking to actual people. I know it's hard sometimes, but surely there's someone out there that's desperate enough to give you a chanceღ

Take care.

Thanks luv. As wonderful as this conversation's been, it's getting rather off-topic, so I'm ending it here. Hopefully the rest of your day is as lovely as you areღ

P.S: To anyone that reads this, I'm normally not this mean... I just get annoyed sometimes. Users like this... fjant are the main reason why so many developers end up leaving this siteღ

 

[CrazyRabbit]

Only the dumb ones... so you're kind of specialღ

It starts at $3 per month lol. The fact that you have so much to say, yet can't afford $3 a month is beyond hilarious

Wouldn't you like to know? Lol, but yeah, if you want to experience something like that for the very first time, you should spend less time being rude on the internet and more time talking to actual people. I know it's hard sometimes, but surely there's someone out there that's desperate enough to give you a chanceღ

Thanks luv. As wonderful as this conversation's been, it's getting rather off-topic, so I'm ending it here. Hopefully the rest of your day is as lovely as you areღ

P.S: To anyone that reads this, I'm normally not this mean... I just get annoyed sometimes. Users like this... fjant are the main reason why so many developers end up leaving this siteღ

If, like me, you feel exhilarated after reading this, don't panic. It's just a case of "You droped this crown, Queen" meticulously infused with some ass-grilling of a random pissant ; all done in a exquisite and delicate way.

Or like my bros say : It is the shit

 

[Old Man Al]

Only the dumb ones... so you're kind of specialღ

It starts at $3 per month lol. The fact that you have so much to say, yet can't afford $3 a month is beyond hilarious

Wouldn't you like to know? Lol, but yeah, if you want to experience something like that for the very first time, you should spend less time being rude on the internet and more time talking to actual people. I know it's hard sometimes, but surely there's someone out there that's desperate enough to give you a chanceღ

Thanks luv. As wonderful as this conversation's been, it's getting rather off-topic, so I'm ending it here. Hopefully the rest of your day is as lovely as you areღ

P.S: To anyone that reads this, I'm normally not this mean... I just get annoyed sometimes. Users like this... fjant are the main reason why so many developers end up leaving this siteღ

Forti, please calm down. Else my spleen will rip.

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[PaxHadrian17]

Damn, I was about to leave a jizzed my pants reaction, but that could be misconstrued here...

Yeah, do that and the next thing you know:

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Only the dumb ones... so you're kind of specialღ

It starts at $3 per month lol. The fact that you have so much to say, yet can't afford $3 a month is beyond hilarious

Wouldn't you like to know? Lol, but yeah, if you want to experience something like that for the very first time, you should spend less time being rude on the internet and more time talking to actual people. I know it's hard sometimes, but surely there's someone out there that's desperate enough to give you a chanceღ

Thanks luv. As wonderful as this conversation's been, it's getting rather off-topic, so I'm ending it here. Hopefully the rest of your day is as lovely as you areღ

P.S: To anyone that reads this, I'm normally not this mean... I just get annoyed sometimes. Users like this... fjant are the main reason why so many developers end up leaving this siteღ

F95 limits our emoji responses so - this one is for you!

 

[XdeynamiX]

Maybe I have low standards when it comes to humor, but I found this scene in the older version hilarious.

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Haha... yeah i remember this scene when I first played sg, it crack me up

 

[XdeynamiX]

Only the dumb ones... so you're kind of specialღ

It starts at $3 per month lol. The fact that you have so much to say, yet can't afford $3 a month is beyond hilarious

Wouldn't you like to know? Lol, but yeah, if you want to experience something like that for the very first time, you should spend less time being rude on the internet and more time talking to actual people. I know it's hard sometimes, but surely there's someone out there that's desperate enough to give you a chanceღ

Thanks luv. As wonderful as this conversation's been, it's getting rather off-topic, so I'm ending it here. Hopefully the rest of your day is as lovely as you areღ

P.S: To anyone that reads this, I'm normally not this mean... I just get annoyed sometimes. Users like this... fjant are the main reason why so many developers end up leaving this siteღ

Hi Fortunaღ
I hope you have a good dayღ