Bombmaster

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This is actually a plot point that needs to be explained eventually. As far as I understood you are right, the Uni our main characters are attending is a regular one. Why would the children of powerful, influential and rich families such as Ayua, Bella and Zara be attending a regular college when they could be attending an elite one? And why does the major ZPR sponsorship happen in that particular college and in the same year the main cast is starting their college life?
We could gather our collective brain and find some inconsistencies from the plot, the college bit should be a reasonable tuition and with ties with the mentioned families.
He's developing 2 games at the same time, and I don't believe he can finish them. And I’m not going to wait 25 years for the games to be ready. If Ocean develops only one game at a time, he will immediately receive money from me.
Maybe if the reception from wiab is shallow in comparison to SG by his own initiative he puts SG on the driver seat.

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Don't light a match while you are gaslighting...

It's not about me. I asked you to backup what you claim are specific plotholes with actual game scenes and/or dialogue. You can't because you are imposing your unsubstantiated opinion... so you GASLIGHT to deflect!

To be honest, who gives a flying fuck what you can afford to buy in your particular part of the world. It's totally irrelevant. Other parts of the world have really expensive housing in sizeable cities, even housing stock built in the 40s-70s.

Hey, I drive on the opposite side of the road to SG, but you don't see me bitchin' or moaning about it, claiming it's a game plothole.

To reiterate: YOU CANNOT SUBSTANTIATE NOJIKO IS A MEDICAL SPECIALIST EARNING $200,000, WHO LIVES IN A HOUSE WORTH $50,000.

Bye...
Again you start arguing... You don’t know the usual things that most people know, are you suggesting that I teach you?
1- Have you seen the material of the house? This tree is only used in poor houses.
2- Have you seen the size of the rooms? I think there is no need to explain anything here.
3- Have you seen the general condition of the house and repairs? It's horrible.
4- Did you see the furniture in the house? Cheap furniture from Ikea seems luxurious compared to what is in Nojiko's home.
I hope now your questions will disappear.
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Doomyk

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Hell, even trolls can be useful. Nika mentioned to Nami about moving to this house. However, the time frame is unknown, when exactly they moved. I definitely forgot the flashbacks with Summer, but is this the same house or a different one?
 

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Uh i think you misunderstood me, i didn't told you to donate to him if you don't want to, i offered you his Patreon as a way of communication in case you already donate to him so you can ask him about Noji's financial situation.
You're right. Apparently I misunderstood you. I thought you were suggesting that I give money to Ocean so that I could ask him my question.
 

John972

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This discussion is ongoing so I'm just ask shamelessly. Is the house Nika live rented? Or Nojiko owns it.

The money is on the land deed if the house is old and battered don't matter.
There is no direct answer about ownership/renting. There is no mention of renting or a landlord, even during the Ch 5 infestation fiasco.

The MC says he wants to "...help Nojiko with the money aspect," and it's often implied that money is tight. However, it's not explained where most of Nojiko's salary goes (rent/mortgage/loans/tuition fees?).

Some people interpret the house as "battered" or rundown because it isn't a modern build. It appears renovated inside (kitchen/bathroom).
 

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There is no direct answer about ownership/renting. There is no mention of renting or a landlord, even during the Ch 5 infestation fiasco.

The MC says he wants to "...help Nojiko with the money aspect," and it's often implied that money is tight. However, it's not explained where most of Nojiko's salary goes (rent/mortgage/loans/tuition fees?).

Some people interpret the house as "battered" or rundown because it isn't a modern build. It appears renovated inside (kitchen/bathroom).
Thanks, always interpreted this bits about money being short more about having low disposable income or savings.

I could agree about Nojiko having a good upbringing and now is living paycheck to paycheck.

The story already made clear she is going to probably follow the hypergamy and Marry into money security.
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Chapter 2/Chapter 5 - Dev Log #3

Hello,

So... For those that are only interested in the current status of the Full version, all renders have been created. (Still need to go through the queue.)
Which means postwork has started.

Old Chapter 2 had 1150 renders...
I expected around 500-700 renders for the first part of it.
I'm now at 900+ renders. Oops.
I do think I did more than 50% of Chapter 2. (Probably around 65%)
Means: The second part will be done faster. (Comes with Chapter 5 full.)

There are a ton of comparisons down there... I'd normally not show this many previews but... I know that some people won't play the new Chapter 2 (Part 1), so yeah... More previews than usual.

This is the last dev log about the Ch4.5 Full.

2. Amber Treats
I made some changes to the Treats.
Quoting the last WiAB Post:
"I have to make a change to the Treats. It was always meant, to only show previews to the 5$ and above supporters... But I never stuck to it.
I like involving every supporter in actual game news.
From now on, Previews will be for every supporter tier, doesn't matter if they are nudes or not.

But the treats are a bonus for higher tiers. So I will release them for the 10$ tiers and above.
Check the normal Amber previews down below first... Then the Treats. ;)
You can find the NSFW Amber Treats

Next Log's treat will be Nami.

3. Comparisons (All images 4k are in a ZIP file attached below)


Old Bellchen classroom. (After Marla assigns you together.)
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Old Bellchen Home
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(Now check the Amber Treats to see what's beneath.)
There are also quite a few new immersion renders/scenes.
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Stuff that wasn't in the old CH2.

I expect Chapter 2 Rework to end with 1800-2000 renders after Chapter 5.
I don't know how I managed to almost double the render count... But here we are.

The Full will be out before the next Log.
Then we're approaching Chapter 5... A Chapter that I've been looking forward to for a very long time...

- Ocean
in the "old me/new me" part, is he Oceanlab ?

btw, I just realized that the appearance of Sasha and her bodyguard in ch 5 was taken from here
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I am still not sure why this is an issue, but there are a lot of reasons a physician may not have a lot of disposable income. True, most U.S.-based physicians make a more than adequate income. But it is clear that the author is from Germany, the setting may be intended to be the U.S. or some non-descript neutral place, but the influence of Germany is strong (they call it 'football'). The living conditions in other places are not always easy to determine, especially broken down by occupation.

Physicians have enormous student loans. Many of them have to work for a good amount of time before they pay them off and are able to purchase their own practice. This family has two college-aged kids which is a major expense. And Nojiko raised them on her own, assumedly while going to a university to obtain her medical degree.

Again, I don't see why this matters. The point being made in the story is that the MC and Nami are not at the socioeconomic status of many of their fellow students and love interests. That is all that is necessary in order to enjoy the story as told.
 

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This is actually a plot point that needs to be explained eventually. As far as I understood you are right, the Uni our main characters are attending is a regular one. Why would the children of powerful, influential and rich families such as Ayua, Bella and Zara be attending a regular college when they could be attending an elite one? And why does the major ZPR sponsorship happen in that particular college and in the same year the main cast is starting their college life?
Can you imagine that someone could force Bella to attend college with snobs and teachers with a stick up her ass? I can not.
ZPR is an ordinary college, and Bella, Sasha, Ayua, Zara and other children of wealthy parents attend this college (and not a college for snobs) for their own individual reasons.
Well, this is my personal vision
 

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in the "old me/new me" part, is he Oceanlab ?

btw, I just realized that the appearance of Sasha and her bodyguard in ch 5 was taken from here
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Yes, this is Inessa Petrova, and those who played with the old WIAB could see her in all her glory in her youth.
 

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Can you imagine that someone could force Bella to attend college with snobs and teachers with a stick up her ass? I can not.
ZPR is an ordinary college, and Bella, Sasha, Ayua, Zara and other children of wealthy parents attend this college (and not a college for snobs) for their own individual reasons.
Well, this is my personal vision
Precisely, as we know, these clans are connected with crime. Illegal money must be laundered somehow. All these charitable foundations are a paradise for money laundering. I just now realized how profitable it would be for Nika to get into the first team.

It doesn't matter what kind of dark business he will do in the future, he will already have a way of laundering.
 

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Hell, even trolls can be useful. Nika mentioned to Nami about moving to this house. However, the time frame is unknown, when exactly they moved. I definitely forgot the flashbacks with Summer, but is this the same house or a different one?
The MC's room interior in the Summer flashbacks is different to his room in the present day, but both seem to be within walking distance of the lake.

The MC's room in the flashbacks has a window on the exterior wall. The wall to the left of the window has a door and a bed. The wall to the right of the window has a desk, shelves and dresser. The wall opposite the window seems to have a TV close by. A couch sits in the middle of the room.

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The MC's room in the present is different. The door into the room is on the wall opposite the window, not the wall to the left of the window.

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I don't know the reason for these differences (i.e. different house, different room in same house, Dev omission)
 

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I am still not sure why this is an issue, but there are a lot of reasons a physician may not have a lot of disposable income. True, most U.S.-based physicians make a more than adequate income. But it is clear that the author is from Germany, the setting may be intended to be the U.S. or some non-descript neutral place, but the influence of Germany is strong (they call it 'football'). The living conditions in other places are not always easy to determine, especially broken down by occupation.

Physicians have enormous student loans. Many of them have to work for a good amount of time before they pay them off and are able to purchase their own practice. This family has two college-aged kids which is a major expense. And Nojiko raised them on her own, assumedly while going to a university to obtain her medical degree.

Again, I don't see why this matters. The point being made in the story is that the MC and Nami are not at the socioeconomic status of many of their fellow students and love interests. That is all that is necessary in order to enjoy the story as told.
Exactly. We may raise an eyebrow at the situation, but, in the end, it's just a plot device and nowhere near as far-fetched or game-breaking as some make out.

Not everything in this game is U.S.-centric. Without implicit mentions in the game - Nojiko could work at a State-run hospital or a private hospital under a socialized health system or a privatized health system. Her salary as a doctor ('none of this unsubstantiated 'specialist' bullshit) is unknown. She may or may not have taken on student debts (bearing in mind we know little about her family or parents or past life). The MC and Nami's tuition may be expensive or it may be State-subsidized/free. Nojiko may own her home outright, or have a mortgage, or rent. Nojiko's reasons for living somewhat modestly, compared to her social circle revealed in Ch 5, are unexplained.

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Ocean can answer these questions at this point.
 

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The MC's room interior in the Summer flashbacks is different to his room in the present day, but both seem to be within walking distance of the lake.

The MC's room in the flashbacks has a window on the exterior wall. The wall to the left of the window has a door and a bed. The wall to the right of the window has a desk, shelves and dresser. The wall opposite the window seems to have a TV close by. A couch sits in the middle of the room.

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The MC's room in the present is different. The door into the room is on the wall opposite the window, not the wall to the left of the window.

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I don't know the reason for these differences (i.e. different house, different room in same house, Dev omission)
Heck maybe the house was humble and without clutter because the game had less polish. One reason why rooms can be empty is the work needed to personalize every one.
 
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So, didn't play this awesomness for a year and a half. I was about to play that update, but just read that Chapter 5 Full will also feature the rework of Chapter 2's renders, and that saves from the beta won't be portable. Should I wait for full version? Do we know about a timeline for it?
 

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Heck maybe the house was humble and without clutter because the game had less polish. One reason why rooms can be empty is the work needed to personalize every one.
By accident or design, the rooms the MC inhabited are different in their architecture.

I just noticed again a line Nami speaks at the bookclub... The MC asks Nami how long Noji had been going to the bookclub and Nami replies, "Forever. I remember her going to this club since we moved here." So, they weren't always in the house they live in now. Who knows when or from where they moved?
 

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So, didn't play this awesomness for a year and a half. I was about to play that update, but just read that Chapter 5 Full will also feature the rework of Chapter 2's renders, and that saves from the beta won't be portable. Should I wait for full version? Do we know about a timeline for it?
The consensus seems to be it's best to wait. December or January was the last deadline for release I heard for Chapter 5 Full.
 

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So, didn't play this awesomness for a year and a half. I was about to play that update, but just read that Chapter 5 Full will also feature the rework of Chapter 2's renders, and that saves from the beta won't be portable. Should I wait for full version? Do we know about a timeline for it?
Install Sancho's mod replay from the beginning, romance Nami get endorphins.

Replay again when stable is released.
Romance Nami again. Cheeto best girl.
 

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Can you imagine that someone could force Bella to attend college with snobs and teachers with a stick up her ass? I can not.
ZPR is an ordinary college, and Bella, Sasha, Ayua, Zara and other children of wealthy parents attend this college (and not a college for snobs) for their own individual reasons.
Well, this is my personal vision
Or the courses offered are different. Not every college has a great art department, or music program. Not everyone wants to study the economics of doctors in Wollust for example :sneaky: Some people prefer a great philosophy department and aspire to teach postgrad. Every college has it's different angle.

Exactly. We may raise an eyebrow at the situation, but, in the end, it's just a plot device and nowhere near as far-fetched or game-breaking as some make out.

Not everything in this game is U.S.-centric. Without implicit mentions in the game - Nojiko could work at a State-run hospital or a private hospital under a socialized health system or a privatized health system. Her salary as a doctor ('none of this unsubstantiated 'specialist' bullshit) is unknown. She may or may not have taken on student debts (bearing in mind we know little about her family or parents or past life). The MC and Nami's tuition may be expensive or it may be State-subsidized/free. Nojiko may own her home outright, or have a mortgage, or rent. Nojiko's reasons for living somewhat modestly, compared to her social circle revealed in Ch 5, are unexplained.

ONLY Ocean can answer these questions at this point.
Exactly, and she might have gambling debts, she might have paid immense sums to become custodian for Nika and Nami, she might be paying her own parent's health bills. As I think you implied earlier, there are so many reasons people aren't always at the peak of their profession. Not everyone has a drive to earn the top dollar, some people do a lot of charity work, some work places suck.

But yes, a bit part of the assumptions people make is that doctor means what it means in their part of the world. What we know is that Noji stopped Nick having amputation - amputation after an accident happens in an emergency ward, which means a general hospital, not a specialist centre. People don't chose where the ambulance takes them from a car crash. Once they're out of danger, people might upgrade to a more exclusive hospital, but given how Nika, Nami AND Noji all say to how stressed Noji is from work, she'd not top dog. She didn't believe in herself to risk opening a private practice, that is stated.

The characterisation is pretty on point for where I live, for a mid level doctor somewhere that real estate is inflated by all the millionaires around. I'm far more interested in how Noji knows Katie, because that's juicy, real estate is very dry.

So, didn't play this awesomness for a year and a half. I was about to play that update, but just read that Chapter 5 Full will also feature the rework of Chapter 2's renders, and that saves from the beta won't be portable. Should I wait for full version? Do we know about a timeline for it?
End of the year, start of the new year-ish Ocean's last post release log (not called a dev log this time so harder to find by search) talked about the road map. Next release is WiaB in maybe 2-3 weeks.
 

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By accident or design, the rooms the MC inhabited are different in their architecture.

I just noticed again a line Nami speaks at the bookclub... The MC asks Nami how long Noji had been going to the bookclub and Nami replies, "Forever. I remember her going to this club since we moved here." So, they weren't always in the house they live in now. Who knows when or from where they moved?
There are not much information where did they live before. The only thing Nami said:
"We went to a high school way in the west."

And we know that MC has (had?) an uncle who taught him to play basketball. Who is his uncle? Does this mean that MC knew his birth parents? Where is his uncle now? How are Noji and uncle related? There are no answer :HideThePain:
 
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