VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[PaxHadrian17]

So it's called "trolling" when the reviews are 1-2 stars. What is this called then?

I guess idiots like yourself can't really lose or be wrong when all criticism is dismissed as trolling and hating huh? Just be mindful that not everyone here is as stupid as you believe them to be

I call it trolling when:

* Someone accuses a dev of milking when they provide weekly dev logs, clearly articulate what they are doing and deliver on their updates, even if those updates take longer than most of us would like.

* Someone misrepresents the scope/amount of rework occurring in Summers Gone Season 1 and ignores all attempts to engage in a conversation where others post the specifics of what Ocean said he was doing and why.

* Someone lies about the timing of the update and, of course - when the update lands in the month Ocean said it would and about the time Ocean said it would - they disappear and are only seen 'liking' poor reviews of Summers Gone.

* Someone writes a poor review because there is no sex or certain images have been removed in advance of the Steam release despite the fact that the reasoning for changing/removing renders/music/no sex has been clearly articulated by the dev.


Is it trolling when someone rates Any AVN poorly because that AVN does not have the content they want, even if it does not have those tags and explicitly says - No Sex Yet?

*A === As an example - Is it trolling if I decide that the only way an AVN is good is if I can create a Harem of all the women in game, regardless of blood relations or not, and then I create 20 alt ids and review bomb Being A DIK with one star reviews because I am not getting the harem I want and that I am owed from this AVN?

Simple question - is *A above okay or not?

If it is okay for someone to do *A to Being A DIK - why is that okay?

If it is not okay for someone to do *A to Being A DIK - why is that okay for someone/a group of someones to do that to Summers Gone?

What is par for the course for me? Having adult discussions... without childish name calling.

Yes - you referred to me as an Idiot - in two different posts - and it took me picoseconds to recover from the clever brutality of that ...

If you want to have an Adult discussion with me - I'll be here.

Cheers!!

 

[John972]

You are trying to interact with someone who is behaving like a troll.

Many of us tried to engage in genuine Summers Gone discussions with this thread visitor and all our logic and screenshots were ignored. After all - why let the truth/facts about this AVN get in the way of a rant...

You can choose to sink more time into responding to someone who seems to get a kick out of wasting other people's time or you can do what Many of us have done, me included - put him on the ignore list and move on.

He is one of the few persistent trolls still hiding under the bridge near Summers Gone Lane.

When Summers Gone CH 5 Full releases - we will get another wave of trolls - and another wave of 1-star reviews from those trolls - it is All they know!

Once I hit CH 4/CH 4.5, I finally accepted this, and started putting the herd of trolls on the ignore list. Our time has value - I believe that spending that time with an anonymous entity who is disingenuous about wanting to discuss Summers Gone wastes that time.

To me, one or two chances for a genuine discussion is more than fair - and if the behavior of a troll continues after this - into the ignore bin they go.

Good Luck deciding what your threshold is before hitting ignore!

Cheers!!

Cheers.

In this case, I figure anyone reading through this thread can now not only read this users' opinions (masked as fact), but also the replies carefully reputing this users' opinions. The same goes for all of us that have taken a careful, evidence-based approach in replying.

My last post laid down the challenge to basically "put up or shut up". I know they cannot put up... but they can further reveal themselves to be trolling.

I don't mind people having differing interpretations/opinions of the game, as long as they be honest and discuss in good faith.

 

[RNasc4444]

Simple question - is *A above okay or not?

No, it's not ok. None of it is. But you are cherry picking arguments that no one with half a working brain would disagree on. No one with half a working brain would call Ocean a milker. No one with half a working brain would expect sex scenes when the game pretty openly tells you there are none. If you wanna point and ridicule the morons who do, I'm right there with you.

That isn't the issue. The issue is there is plenty of fair criticism to the game that you specifically and others like you have been dismissing for years. Sadly I don't care enough to keep receipts or look through people's post history to call them out on it.

Anyways, my point was the "review bomb" thing. You are smart enough to know that are just as many, if not more, fake positive reviews as fake negative ones. So you can drop that narrative going forward because one quick look at them and you can see it holds no water.

I have been a loud critic of the game ever since the reworks started happening and I've never left a negative review. I will once season 1 ends but it certainly won't be a 1 or 2 star.

 

[Bombmaster]

Spoiler: the good about this tension

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[staggerlee32]

Saves will be transferred with the full version. So yeah, that's why I said don't make all your routes in the BETA. You'll have to play the full version to transfer your saves.

goddamn am I glad I saw this tonight, after my first run through. lmao

great update. had to play through from the beginning for the first time in a while, and i'll admit i had my doubts about the rework being necessary but the reworked content truly is a major improvement.

i hate cliffhangers though ocean you son of a bitch. lol. how am i so invested in this fucking game

 

[Tysonator2000]

Is it ever explained what happened to Bella's sister? Racing incident? Until this last update, I honestly thought she had died. I haven't done a Bella path in ages, so I don't recall it being explained. Bella reads to her at the very end of the chapter. It's odd that for how smitten Bella is for Nika, she never brought him to see her after all this time.

 

[Bloodprinceoz]

is there a list/chart or something to showcase who's an actual LI and which LIs you can "throuple" together? since i'd like to know who i should actually start pathing for rather than trying to path every girl like you usually do for a harem game only to get cock-blocked or something later on because a girl doesn't want to get involved in a throuple because of another girl's path ages ago

 

[soprano31]

is there a list/chart or something to showcase who's an actual LI and which LIs you can "throuple" together? since i'd like to know who i should actually start pathing for rather than trying to path every girl like you usually do for a harem game only to get cock-blocked or something later on because a girl doesn't want to get involved in a throuple because of another girl's path ages ago

I searched Discord to list what Ocean said on the different girls so far: (main LI = romance + ending). Latest status (everything can still change in development):

LIs:
Amber: main LI (two main routes, love or sub, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route)
Bella: guaranteed main LI (Dom, Sub and normal routes, could be different now that the game has taken a less dark route, won't be compatible with Amber)
Elsa: main LI but Ocean is not entirely sure yet, a lot about her can still change
Marla: main LI, "will stay an LI forever", should currently be married
Mila: guaranteed main LI
Nadia: guaranteed main LI and Ocean's #2 girl (since December 2022)
Nami: guaranteed main LI (Nami/Bella is possible but she is otherwise probably the least compatible with other girls, Nami/Mila not possible)
Nia: guaranteed main LI, wasn't originally a planned LI
Sasha: guaranteed main LI and Ocean's #1 girl (since August 2021), not planned to be part of any throuple
Sonya: guaranteed main LI and Ocean's #3 girl (former #1)
Vanessa: main LI (sub and equals routes), not compatible with Zara for a throuple
Victoria: guaranteed main LI (and can be compatible with every other girl (has the most throuples anyway))
Zara: main LI, solo route only, threesomes possible but no throuple ending, "will never lose LI status"

Lewdables:
Cindy (teacher): should be lewdable but not a LI
Coach Hill: "bangable", "hook-up/lewdable" but no ending nor romantic relationship
Harrison (teacher): should be lewdable but not a LI
Karen: "lewdable" but not a LI
Kate: Ocean refuses to say if she is a LI for now but she is at least lewdable
Layla: "lewdable" but will "never" be a main LI
Maja: formerly main LI, now planned as lewdable but most likely will never be a LI again
Nancy: "lewdable" but not a LI
Robin: "lewdable," very low chance of becoming a main LI

Not LIs:
Ayua: Ocean has not decided yet. Romance with her was mentioned a long time ago but at the moment she is not a LI. She's a special case.
Celina (Vic's therapist): not a LI
Claire (Bella's aunt): we'll see how she develops but not a LI currently
Miriam (one of the twins): not a LI
Nicole (reporter): not a LI
Nojiko: currently not a LI "but nothing is ever set in stone"...
Nora (one of the twins): not a LI
Saki (Nicole's assistant): not a LI

Melanie, Genevieve, etc: nothing conclusive has been mentioned about others. Not all LIs have been introduced yet but nearly all. Ocean has a limit and will not add many more.

Note: As of October 16, 2021, Ocean has said that the list of LIs can be expanded to more LIs but it is also possible that some LIs will be dropped, except for the eight that are listed as guaranteed. Update February 2023: as of Chapter 4.5, "less than 5" new LIs are yet to be introduced.
Note2: There will be no harem route. One was originally planned (although it would not have included every girl) but the game took a lighter tone, of healing, than was first thought, and the harem route does not fit the story anymore. You should still be able to bang virtually every girl in a playthrough but having a romantic relationship with several girls being aware of each other is a whole different thing. There will be throuples for the compatible girls, but no more than that. I have summarized this myself, if you want to hear from the source itself, most of the updated info regarding harem comes from here.
Update: only 3 throuples are planned as of summer 2022, there might eventually be more or fewer but that's to say that throuples will be rather the exception and in most cases won't happen.

Last check: October 27, 2023

 

[slackster]

Pity Eva is not on that list.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Pity Eva is not on that list.

I think someone mentioned that Ocean said he's no longer confirming who is or isn't a love interest, lewdable or bystander. Potentially to avoid giving away plot secrets.

 

[kamus484]

APK version please

 

[Solaris33]

This thread moves way too fast for me to keep up with, but I think that book club scene is going to be talked about for years to come. There was so much going on, and most of it was only vague hints at a much larger picture. It's going to be fun to watch all the pieces of this story slide into place. I'm not sure how much faith I have that this game will ever be fully completed, but I hope Ocean can pull it off.

is there a list/chart or something to showcase who's an actual LI and which LIs you can "throuple" together? since i'd like to know who i should actually start pathing for rather than trying to path every girl like you usually do for a harem game only to get cock-blocked or something later on because a girl doesn't want to get involved in a throuple because of another girl's path ages ago

I think there are only a few distinct paths you can follow in the game right now. Hopefully somebody can make a walkthrough when the first season ends.

 

[bratkoratko]

I think someone mentioned that Ocean said he's no longer confirming who is or isn't a love interest, lewdable or bystander. Potentially to avoid giving away plot secrets.

lol more like cause he himself has no idea, dude changes shit 5 times per year wont be surprised if he doesnt even know most of the future plot, just writes as he renders

 

[Ottoeight]

I think someone mentioned that Ocean said he's no longer confirming who is or isn't a love interest, lewdable or bystander. Potentially to avoid giving away plot secrets.

Well, everybody should have realised by now that the "old infamous LI list" doesn't makes sense.

is there a list/chart or something to showcase who's an actual LI and which LIs you can "throuple" together? since i'd like to know who i should actually start pathing for rather than trying to path every girl like you usually do for a harem game only to get cock-blocked or something later on because a girl doesn't want to get involved in a throuple because of another girl's path ages ago

You make me think of a 20 something guy who's ordering his casket at a funeral house because "you never know what's going to happen in the next 60 years of your life".

 

[John972]

Is it ever explained what happened to Bella's sister? Racing incident? Until this last update, I honestly thought she had died. I haven't done a Bella path in ages, so I don't recall it being explained. Bella reads to her at the very end of the chapter. It's odd that for how smitten Bella is for Nika, she never brought him to see her after all this time.

Nothing is ever directly stated about Bella's sisters' fate - other than implying something very bad happened, and, of course, she was never around and not to be talked about. It's a nice plot twist at the end of Ch 5, but (like many TV series) it requires some suspension of disbelief since no one (i.e. other students etc at ZPR, Amber) let slip to the MC or Nami that Bella has a comatose sister...

 

[xCalon]

Anyways, my point was the "review bomb" thing. You are smart enough to know that are just as many, if not more, fake positive reviews as fake negative ones. So you can drop that narrative going forward because one quick look at them and you can see it holds no water.

I think we can agree that in the case of review bombing about 85-90%, the goal is none other than pulling off the given game, book, series or movie. But since they don't contain real opinions, they can't be taken seriously, it's just the herd mentality.

Personally I don't read, and don't write a review about a book, a movie, or in this case a AVN, because a review is just someone else's opinion. What someone likes, might bother me, or, on the contrary, what I like, other people hate. I am old enough, and intelligent enough to be able to decide for myself without help, whether a given game, book, series or movie is good or bad.

In the case of Summer's Gone, - as I myself noted earlier - it is not perfect or flawless, and there is always room for improvement. But this is only possible, if the criticism is well-founded, supported by examples, and not IQ-deficient ranting and whining.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

No, it's not ok. None of it is. But you are cherry picking arguments that no one with half a working brain would disagree on. No one with half a working brain would call Ocean a milker. No one with half a working brain would expect sex scenes when the game pretty openly tells you there are none. If you wanna point and ridicule the morons who do, I'm right there with you.

That isn't the issue. The issue is there is plenty of fair criticism to the game that you specifically and others like you have been dismissing for years. Sadly I don't care enough to keep receipts or look through people's post history to call them out on it.

Anyways, my point was the "review bomb" thing. You are smart enough to know that are just as many, if not more, fake positive reviews as fake negative ones. So you can drop that narrative going forward because one quick look at them and you can see it holds no water.

I have been a loud critic of the game ever since the reworks started happening and I've never left a negative review. I will once season 1 ends but it certainly won't be a 1 or 2 star.

TLDR warning - but necessary in the interests of discussion and explanation, and now - into the breach...


You and I tend to disagree on a number of areas surrounding Summers gone - and there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and being an adult about it - but I believe that these discussions are better when you leave name calling and other personal attacks at the door.

You wanted to talk about trolls, so I defined what I saw as examples of troll behavior - and some of what I listed is included by some of the trolls as their reasons for rating Summers Gone poorly.

(FYI - If someone posted today that they love the way Bella gave the MC a BJ - 5 stars for the best animations they had ever seen, and I saw the post, I would call them out on this thread - misinformation and misleading for those who are new to the thread and don't know better.)

I felt I needed to make the point about the ability of one or several people who don't like what a dev is doing to mischaracterize an AVN or go all in, and review bomb the dev.

Spoiler: My heavy-handed scenario to prove my point about trolls and manipulating the AVN rating system

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I did this to demonstrate what an aggressive troll could do and establish the boundaries for our discussion. (This behavior can occur on F95, but it would certainly be disingenuous and a disservice to Any dev who was on the receiving end of it.)

If we had no agreement on what should be outside the bounds of even bad troll behavior - a reasonable discussion becomes much more difficult.

Now, we have established that we agree the troll behavior I used for examples in my prior post Is troll behavior, not just a difference of opinions held by you and me.

You then said:

The issue is there is plenty of fair criticism to the game that you specifically and others like you have been dismissing for years.

I don't know which of my posts you have read versus those you have not, and you also said:

I don't care enough to keep receipts or look through people's post history to call them out on it.


So let me recap what I have shared over many posts (without going too much further into the TLDR zone).

I have never claimed that Ocean is perfect.

I have commented that Ocean needs to have a Very good review and update of his verbiage and grammar (punctuation could use some help but it is not a showstopper for me) - and this becomes even more critical ahead of the Steam release.

I support Ocean - if he says that creating two AVNs concurrently helps him to better manage stress - I believe him. I will not tell another person that they Must use my preferred means to manage stress - I recognize that each of us is different.

Is Ocean Very ambitious with his goal to create 30 + chapters of Summers Gone - ABSOLUTELY!! He is The most ambitious of the creators whom I support with my $.

Is there a danger that Ocean will not be able to complete SG? - Yes

Ocean could be hit by a bus tomorrow and Summers Gone, at least his version of Summers Gone, would die.

A parent, mom or dad, could be hit by a bus and Their most important work (IMO) - raising their children - would be taken out of their hands.

So - Should we stop living, limit the scope of our ambitions out of the fear of what Might happen - like Ocean creating Summers Gone - or dreams - like a parent wanting to raise their children and always be there for them as they grow into adults?

I believe that limiting our hopes and dreams - What we aspire to create or Who we aspire to help grow into adulthood, is a tragedy and one I Cannot subscribe to.

We can disagree about the way Ocean does things (rework needed for Steam release for ex.) or the level of resourcing Ocean needs to continue to create Summers Gone the way He envisions it. There is nothing wrong with a considered 'agree to disagree' where both people have laid out their positions and thoughts and the only bridge between them is:

Agree to Disagree.

I am happy to risk My $, My time and My passion for this AVN in the hopes that Ocean can go the distance, tell this story His way and breathe life into Summers Gone in a way few other devs have brought their creations to life for me.

The pragmatist in me says: This will be a long, tough Journey!

The optimist in me says: Damn - will this Journey be worth it!

Cheers!!

 

[Osmium77_]

Is there a compressed version for the update?

 

[soprano31]

Is there a compressed version for the update?

Summer's Gone [Ch.5 BETA] [Oceanlab]

COMPRESSED: Win/Linux/Mac:
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[KekWGgWP]

No, it's not ok. None of it is. But you are cherry picking arguments that no one with half a working brain would disagree on. No one with half a working brain would call Ocean a milker. No one with half a working brain would expect sex scenes when the game pretty openly tells you there are none. If you wanna point and ridicule the morons who do, I'm right there with you.

That isn't the issue. The issue is there is plenty of fair criticism to the game that you specifically and others like you have been dismissing for years. Sadly I don't care enough to keep receipts or look through people's post history to call them out on it.

Anyways, my point was the "review bomb" thing. You are smart enough to know that are just as many, if not more, fake positive reviews as fake negative ones. So you can drop that narrative going forward because one quick look at them and you can see it holds no water.

I have been a loud critic of the game ever since the reworks started happening and I've never left a negative review. I will once season 1 ends but it certainly won't be a 1 or 2 star.

Depends what you call fair criticism, what you or anyone consider fair criticism can be considered unfair by others, we talk about personal opinions here and we all thinking from a subjecting point of view.

And from what i seen from your complains in here about the game in the last days, personally i don't find much of it valid or fair criticism, you also have a tendency to insult people for no real reason when someone argues your opinions and you tend to generalize things.

Which i see it as very childish and not a good argument.

What i see by fair criticism is what majority of the people agree on something, for example when 100 people play a game and 90 of them criticize the game for good reasons and they all agree on common ideas, than that is fair criticism, pretty much everyone agrees on the bad points of a game.

I don't know how much Ocean actually cares about the reviews on F95, considering he doesn't even spent time in here, he may come through here from time to time but that's pretty much it.

Now I know that Ocean listens to the people who gives him advice, he changed things in the game that people didn't like and listened to their demands, so he takes in consideration criticism.

Personally i tend to take in consideration the reviews about the games when i play, and most of the time the reviews are on point, there were instances where i felt deceived by them thinking i actually play a good game to my standards but that happen once or twice since i'm a user here, overall i'm fine with the review system.

Sure there are trolls in every popular game that try to alter the review system in their favor but that is a small percent of the actual players who have a genuine opinion about the game.

Moderators also monitorizes reviews too and you can actually spot troll reviews by reading them, someone who played the game and is interested in leaving a review they do it in a professional and subjective way, they give a much more detailed review eventually with examples and all that, they give good arguments and make convicing points, usually this are the kind of reviews you want to take in consideration the most.

This game for example had 5 star reviews since the beginning i started to play (i play it before rework) and i decided to see if the game is as good as people say, and it actually was and now after rework is even better than it used to be, it improved in every single aspect and i like it more than i used to.

Nevertheless i consider something pointless complaining about the amount of trolls that leave reviews, trying to defend and justify which sides of the reviews are more genuine and all that since it represents maybe say 5% at most of all honest reviews.

As a side note, I'm looking forward to see your review about the game, i'm genuinely curios what kind of review you will have.