VN Ren'Py Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[Content_Consumer]

I see the Dev still doesn't know anything about university.
He's written and rendered the whole thing like it's high school 2.0.

Oh no two students had sex? Quick call the president!
NEWS AT SIX! Students in university allegedly had sex!

Also even the idea that a midget would have any chance to get into a D1 basketball team is hilarious, as is the idea that a roid junkie wouldn't get tested out nearly immediately.

I think even in the "school" bathroom scene one of the women said something about leaving before they get detention.
Detention? Really? In uni?
How are you going to put adults into detention?

There are so many more examples [like being on some sort of sport rotation throughout the year? That's still a high school thing.] just don't write based on source material you have no understanding of.

Then there is not having a driver's license because it's expensive ... really? Maybe in some weird shithole country, but then the story is set in a western country where a driver's license costs next to nothing.
In western countries the government wants people to drive, because driving means buying vehicles, fuel, paying taxes and thus working, which is a net positive for the economy.
They don't want to put stupid barriers, like making the license expensive, in place because that then lifts the average age that people would be driving.




Nami seems to have forgot that earlier she said the temperature in Celsius, when telling Sonya that she should wear less because it was going to be 36C that day.



This does not deserve the 4.5 star rating it has.

 

[sorco2003]

Ocean said months ago he removed only Mila's smoking habit cause he said something along the lines "Cause smoking is the most stupid habit a poor person can have, it drains your money", and it's kinda true. If Mila is saving everything she can to get out of her abusive home, it makes sense she wouldn't be wasting in constantly in cig packs.
Despite Bella constantly mocking Nika's economic status, he's not dirt poor, so I imagine he can indulge himself.

That's not how addictions work, it's not rational, no matter how much money you have or want to save. If the explanation is that being bad for health, he prefers not to incorporate it or that he doesn't like it or that they banned smoking in Steam, it is acceptable and understandable, but trying to explain it because "a poor person should not smoke", ufff, that is wrong on too many levels.

 

[Nurikabe]

I see the Dev still doesn't know anything about university.
He's written and rendered the whole thing like it's high school 2.0.

Oh no two students had sex? Quick call the president!
NEWS AT SIX! Students in university allegedly had sex!

Also even the idea that a midget would have any chance to get into a D1 basketball team is hilarious, as is the idea that a roid junkie wouldn't get tested out nearly immediately.

I think even in the "school" bathroom scene one of the women said something about leaving before they get detention.
Detention? Really? In uni?
How are you going to put adults into detention?

There are so many more examples [like being on some sort of sport rotation throughout the year? That's still a high school thing.] just don't write based on source material you have no understanding of.

Then there is not having a driver's license because it's expensive ... really? Maybe in some weird shithole country, but then the story is set in a western country where a driver's license costs next to nothing.
In western countries the government wants people to drive, because driving means buying vehicles, fuel, paying taxes and thus working, which is a net positive for the economy.
They don't want to put stupid barriers, like making the license expensive, in place because that then lifts the average age that people would be driving.

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Nami seems to have forgot that earlier she said the temperature in Celsius, when telling Sonya that she should wear less because it was going to be 36C that day.



This does not deserve the 4.5 star rating it has.

There is a HUGE difference between Western universities and college versus European and other countries' versions of the same.

 

[Salazar White]

The renders got me, i'll give a try.

 

[Tysonator2000]

I don't want to ruin your enthusiasm, but there is a little problem here. Bella's sister, like Amber, Claire and Bella too is blonde, Summer, on the other hand is dark brown. And MC would probably recognize Summer, if she was on the picture, in Bella's room.

I joked about how ridiculous it'd be if Summer was just there the whole time, much like a soap opera. I wasn't being serious. Women dye their hair constantly, so being a blonde isn't an argument. Summer came from a rich family, and they looked down on Nika for being poor. Amber would've kept him away from Bella, if it was the same mom. The sister looks like Bella's twin. If anything, Summer would look more like Eva, rather than Bella. Elsa's the only known relative that's been encountered so far, then again Summer's last name is never given. There's good odds she has other family we have seen, just not revealed yet.

 

[Fun Shaundi]

That's not how addictions work, it's not rational, no matter how much money you have or want to save. If the explanation is that being bad for health, he prefers not to incorporate it or that he doesn't like it or that they banned smoking in Steam, it is acceptable and understandable, but trying to explain it because "a poor person should not smoke", ufff, that is wrong on too many levels.

Maybe I didn't explain myself: He made it as if Mila has never ever smoked, cause she knew starting the habit would drain her money. Not that she simply stopped smoking at some point: She never started it.
Just like original Nika, original Vic and original Bella had some personality tweaks, Mila got hers.
It's just me, but I don't think Ocean ever said 'A poor person should never smoke'. I saw it more as him wanting Mila to be smarter and simply tweaking her initial liking to nicotine.

I was in art school when I was younger, and constantly running out of money to get my art supplies, so I know for a fact that a poor person can smoke, and they'll manage to get money for their cigs if they really want to

 

[sorco2003]

Maybe I didn't explain myself: He made it as if Mila has never ever smoked, cause she knew starting the habit would drain her money. Not that she simply stopped smoking at some point: She never started it.
Just like original Nika, original Vic and original Bella had some personality tweaks, Mila got hers.
It's just me, but I don't think Ocean ever said 'A poor person should never smoke'. I saw it more as him wanting Mila to be smarter and simply tweaking her initial liking to nicotine.

I was in art school when I was younger, and constantly running out of money to get my art supplies, so I know for a fact that a poor person can smoke, and they'll manage to get money for their cigs if they really want to

Beyond the fact that she never smoked in this version, Ocean's explanation for deciding not to smoke, is what is wrong. And you saying that somehow it is kinda true, is what made me answer your post, besides I had already answered Mortarion's post where he showed the Log where Ocean explained his decision.

Found it...

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Still, I'm sorry if I sound aggressive or against you, it just seems a bit inappropriate for Ocean to express himself this way.

 

[Nurikabe]

Beyond the fact that she never smoked in this version, Ocean's explanation for deciding not to smoke, is what is wrong. And you saying that somehow it is kinda true, is what made me answer your post, besides I had already answered Mortarion's post where he showed the Log where Ocean explained his decision.

Still, I'm sorry if I sound aggressive or against you, it just seems a bit inappropriate for Ocean to express himself this way.

It is a valid point; addiction doesn't have any barriers. It is also a valid point to say that feeding a very expensive habit (plus the medical costs that come with it) is certainly one of the stupidest things a person can do, including poor people. I don't think he is saying poor people are stupid, or that poor people who are smokers are stupid. He is saying that of all the things that poor people don't have money for, continuing to support that habit is stupid (for anyone, more so if you can't afford anything else).

 

[Bombmaster]

smoking cig is outdated tbh, Young peope are vaping or smoking cannabis.

 

[sorco2003]

It is a valid point; addiction doesn't have any barriers. It is also a valid point to say that feeding a very expensive habit (plus the medical costs that come with it) is certainly one of the stupidest things a person can do, including poor people. I don't think he is saying poor people are stupid, or that poor people who are smokers are stupid. He is saying that of all the things that poor people don't have money for, continuing to support that habit is stupid (for anyone, more so if you can't afford anything else).

It would be too long a debate and totally out of topic to go into this matter. Just to say that the more things you lack, the more you will look for immediate gratification, the less projection for the future, the more likely you will fall into the different traps of the immediate. So, let's agree not to agree and leave this topic aside.

 

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[Fun Shaundi]

Beyond the fact that she never smoked in this version, Ocean's explanation for deciding not to smoke, is what is wrong. And you saying that somehow it is kinda true, is what made me answer your post, besides I had already answered Mortarion's post where he showed the Log where Ocean explained his decision.

Still, I'm sorry if I sound aggressive or against you, it just seems a bit inappropriate for Ocean to express himself this way.

No worries, didn't feel any aggressiveness there. As for the thing with Mila, I understand both sides: Mila went from somebody who smokes cause they feel like it to somebody who avoids it cause she's thinking in her future plans long term. As for how Ocean worded it though, I personally didn't feel like he was inappropriate... but then again my fiance is German, maybe I'm just immune to how they say things sometimes.

 

[Content_Consumer]

There is a HUGE difference between Western universities and college versus European and other countries' versions of the same.

Sure, but that doesn't change anything.
It's a western university setting.
Everyone speaks English as a first language, almost everyone has western names with western spellings, metric seems to be the standard and the drinking age seems to be 18, so that narrows down the setting.
Do you remember their high school's name? That narrows it down even more.

 

[Old Man Al]

Sure, but that doesn't change anything.
It's a western university setting.
Everyone speaks English as a first language, almost everyone has western names with western spellings, metric seems to be the standard and the drinking age seems to be 18, so that narrows down the setting.
Do you remember their high school's name? That narrows it down even more.

SG is not set in the real world you know, so any ACCURATE comparison to US or other western universities is kind of futile.

... but then again my fiance is German, maybe I'm just immune to how they say things sometimes.

So tell me how exactly we "say things sometimes".

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[Real Kreten]

Beyond the fact that she never smoked in this version, Ocean's explanation for deciding not to smoke, is what is wrong. And you saying that somehow it is kinda true, is what made me answer your post, besides I had already answered Mortarion's post where he showed the Log where Ocean explained his decision.

You are looking at his explanation from person thinking perspective, but it is meant to be from character building perspective.
It isn't Mila who would think "smoking is worst poor person can do".

Ocean want Mila to be poor, but he want it be something, she's not responsible for. If Mila smoke, she would be responsible for her situation partially. However, she will be somebody, who born to poverty, but through dediction and smart decition get out of it, after this change.

 

[Doomyk]

I don't think,that steam ban for smoking scenes.Nami solo route-they smoke.And i don't see any problems with smoking in game for some characters or in some events.Specifically, in the case of Mila, the dev could have removed the option to smoke, because some people don’t really like smokers. And Mila is not the most popular character,with smoking it will be even fewer fans. It’s the queens who can be forgiven for their little sins. I don’t see anything wrong with the Nick and Bella smoking scene in bed.Not all the time, but in rare cases, why not?

 

[Nurikabe]

Sure, but that doesn't change anything.
It's a western university setting.
Everyone speaks English as a first language, almost everyone has western names with western spellings, metric seems to be the standard and the drinking age seems to be 18, so that narrows down the setting.
Do you remember their high school's name? That narrows it down even more.

You are a fantastic detective. You might want re-read the story.
Perhaps you missed the very points you just made. Metric. Check those names again. 'Football.' The drinking age.

And if it were a "Western university setting," there would not be teachers, detention, a lunch room, lockers, gym time, co-ed sports teams, 'sports college,' art class, a person checking student IDs at a counter, etc.

Have you ever been to a Western university? Nothing in this story resembles a Western university in any way. Nothing.

Then there is the cost of a driver's license. Costs almost nothing in most U.S. states and territories. There are some states that require formal schools before application. That certainly raises the cost. However, in European countries and in several Eastern countries I've lived in, it is quite expensive and usually can't be done until the age of 18 to 21.

So, as you stated, "just don't write based on source material you have no understanding of [sic]."

It is fine if you don't like the VN. But if you are going to write a whole diatribe on reasons it is "wrong," then at least get those wrong things right. Just a thought.

 

[Content_Consumer]

You are a fantastic detective. You might want re-read the story.
Perhaps you missed the very points you just made. Metric. Check those names again. 'Football.' The drinking age.

And if it were a "Western university setting," there would not be teachers, detention, a lunch room, lockers, gym time, co-ed sports teams, 'sports college,' art class, a person checking student IDs at a counter, etc.

Have you ever been to a Western university? Nothing in this story resembles a Western university in any way. Nothing.

Then there is the cost of a driver's license. Costs almost nothing in most U.S. states and territories. There are some states that require formal schools before application. That certainly raises the cost. However, in European countries and in several Eastern countries I've lived in, it is quite expensive and usually can't be done until the age of 18 to 21.

So, as you stated, "just don't write based on source material you have no understanding of [sic]."

It is fine if you don't like the VN. But if you are going to write a whole diatribe on reasons it is "wrong," then at least get those wrong things right. Just a thought.

I didn't miss anything.

"western" doesn't mean only the USA.
In fact, I'm from an English speaking, metric using, sub-21 drinking age western country with world-class universities.

 

[John972]

Everyone speaks English as a first language.

Really? Maybe your game just has automatic subtitles enabled

Your post has some intriguing points then you went and complained about the metric system... Seriously? Fun Fact: MORE Westernized, English-speaking ("as a first language") countries use the Metric System than don't.

SG is not a documentary. The fictional SG world borrows traits from different Westernized cultures. The Dev lives outside the U.S. Many, many players of the game live outside the U.S. People outside the U.S. don't give a crap if SG fully, accurately, or solely represents the entirety of American culture (which it doesn't anyway). ...and people "outside the U.S." includes those from other western, English-speaking countries.

And if it were a "Western university setting," there would not be teachers, detention, a lunch room, lockers, gym time, co-ed sports teams, 'sports college,' art class, a person checking student IDs at a counter, etc.

Valid point. Many of these are high school terms.

Have you ever been to a Western university? Nothing in this story resembles a Western university in any way. Nothing.

Nothing? Invalid point, it's your opinion and hyperbole at that. I attended a western, non-U.S. university and can relate to many university/college things from the game.

Then there is the cost of a driver's license. Costs almost nothing in most U.S. states and territories. There are some states that require formal schools before application. That certainly raises the cost. However, in European countries and in several Eastern countries I've lived in, it is quite expensive and usually can't be done until the age of 18 to 21.

All your point proves is that the SG universe is an amalgam of western cultures. There are Western countries where you have to take a series of costly and mandatory driving lessons before you can sit your license (which itself is not expensive) and it can be done at 15-16.

ADDENDUM: These posts, say it better:

I didn't miss anything.

"western" doesn't mean only the USA.
In fact, I'm from an English speaking, metric using, sub-21 drinking age western country with world-class universities.

PS - I'm from a similar country that's not the U.S.A.

I don't even want to argue, just some quote from the dev FYI:

https://f95zone.to/threads/summers-gone-ch-5-beta-oceanlab.29981/post-9686883

He also said that he uses the German legal age restriction for drinking beer or wine, which is 16yo.

ADDENDUM 2: I mistook some of Nurikabe's posts for those of the OP, Content_Consumer. So, I apologize to Nurikabe because this meant I assumed he supported Content_Consumer's position in his reply.

 

[yossa999]

I didn't miss anything.

"western" doesn't mean only the USA.
In fact, I'm from an English speaking, metric using, sub-21 drinking age western country with world-class universities.

I don't even want to argue, just some quote from the dev FYI:

From here: The games now play in a fictional world. (No US or Europe). I want to be able to make my own rules, but I adopted traits of the US and Europe.

He also said that he uses the German legal age restriction for drinking beer or wine, which is 16yo.