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Nika can't type /s, only Ocean can. My guess is he's trying to shut the convo down by out-awkwarding Nami; we know later on she wishes he'd be more open about the subject rather than deflect.
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From my understanding, Ocean has 5 stories for the SG and WiAB worlds, so there are 3 more stories that haven't been published yet.
At first Ocean gave the SG story to Regium, and planned to do WiAB and one more story with a woman as the main character (according to Ocean so he wouldn't burn out with one story). But when Regium gave up working on SG, Ocean canceled the story (before could even publish it) and switched to working on SG.
correct me if I'm wrong.
At first Ocean gave the SG story to Regium, and planned to do WiAB and one more story with a woman as the main character (according to Ocean so he wouldn't burn out with one story). But when Regium gave up working on SG, Ocean canceled the story (before could even publish it) and switched to working on SG.
correct me if I'm wrong.
Sometimes I wonder if someone posting about Summers Gone has actually played the same AVN as I have.
I have to be honest and say my CH 5 SG experience was Vastly different and- seemingly better - than yours.
I do enjoy Ocean's storytelling and I spent more than 20 minutes on the book club scene alone.
That scene was an onion in terms of complexity/reveals:
* Noji secrets (she's known Amber far longer than she admitted, after pretending to meet Amber for the first-time outside Amber's office prior to the MC's therapy)
* Amber pretending that she had not met the MC before
* Sasha and her apparent siren's lure effect on multiple married men
* Charlie's Rule of the book club (and her lack of appreciation for the MC when he challenged that rule And when she found out that he was the male involved in Robin's 'scandal' at school - the sex in the bathroom which did not actually happen)
* the appearance of Katie Zane and her interest in both Nami and the MC
* the sudden appearance of Sasha when the MC has his panic attack (and Sasha just happened to have a medication to help with panic attacks and she shared it with him)
That scene also had great humor with Nami commenting on all the cougars and her quip about it looking like a scene from a porno.
I personally soaked up the Bella time at the beginning of CH 5 and enjoyed her first breakfast with Noji, the MC and eventually Nami + sleeping with her and getting the Zara reveals.
I won't regurgitate more of what I have already commented on in other posts.
I'll just say that the above is why I feel like we played different AVNs with the same name - our experiences seem to be so different.
I'm still a supporter and I thought CH 5 was a great close to Season 1, including the final scene with Bella and her sister.
This is certainly the most ambitious AVN I have ever supported and at current development speeds, it will take decades to get through the 30+ chapters that Ocean has talked about for SG.
(I think that development speed will increase once the Steam SG season 1 release is complete - plus hardware and software improvements will help here as well - his latest dev log about a Daz update and improved loading times was a major eye opener for me).
I hope that your CH 5 Full SG experience will be much better than your CH 5 Beta experience was.
I absolutely believe that mine will be, and I loved the CH 5 Beta.
Cheers!!
It reminds me when I was a kid. Adults had all these interesting Second World War books. I wasn't interested in reading them (I was kinda too young to appreciate or understand them anyway), but I LOVED looking at the two or three pages of photo plates every several chapters. I was kinda like that when I first found the world of AVNs on F95.Sometimes I wonder if someone posting about Summers Gone has actually played the same AVN as I have.
I have to be honest and say my CH 5 SG experience was Vastly different and- seemingly better - than yours.
I do enjoy Ocean's storytelling and I spent more than 20 minutes on the book club scene alone.
That scene was an onion in terms of complexity/reveals:
* Noji secrets (she's known Amber far longer than she admitted, after pretending to meet Amber for the first-time outside Amber's office prior to the MC's therapy)
* Amber pretending that she had not met the MC before
* Sasha and her apparent siren's lure effect on multiple married men
* Charlie's Rule of the book club (and her lack of appreciation for the MC when he challenged that rule And when she found out that he was the male involved in Robin's 'scandal' at school - the sex in the bathroom which did not actually happen)
* the appearance of Katie Zane and her interest in both Nami and the MC
* the sudden appearance of Sasha when the MC has his panic attack (and Sasha just happened to have a medication to help with panic attacks and she shared it with him)
That scene also had great humor with Nami commenting on all the cougars and her quip about it looking like a scene from a porno.
I personally soaked up the Bella time at the beginning of CH 5 and enjoyed her first breakfast with Noji, the MC and eventually Nami + sleeping with her and getting the Zara reveals.
I won't regurgitate more of what I have already commented on in other posts.
I'll just say that the above is why I feel like we played different AVNs with the same name - our experiences seem to be so different.
I'm still a supporter and I thought CH 5 was a great close to Season 1, including the final scene with Bella and her sister.
This is certainly the most ambitious AVN I have ever supported and at current development speeds, it will take decades to get through the 30+ chapters that Ocean has talked about for SG.
(I think that development speed will increase once the Steam SG season 1 release is complete - plus hardware and software improvements will help here as well - his latest dev log about a Daz update and improved loading times was a major eye opener for me).
I hope that your CH 5 Full SG experience will be much better than your CH 5 Beta experience was.
I absolutely believe that mine will be, and I loved the CH 5 Beta.
Cheers!!
Now, I cherish reading and experiencing those AVNs with complex and compelling stories, as they unfold one chapter at a time. SG is at the top of that pile for me, even with it's (minor) imperfections. The fantastic attention to detail in the renders and awesome soundtrack are just the icing on the cake for me.
PaxHadrian17 touched on some of the plot reveals from a segment of Ch 5 Beta alone. ...and there's just so much more going on overall (as one random example, Coaches Hill and Stahl's hail-Mary basketball plan in league with (presumably) Katie Zane). The sub-plots are so dense, I find it hard to keep up with every single thread of what's going on in this game.
Again, regarding SG Ch5, I'm sure that I read in some of his previous Patreon notes, Ocean mentioned that Ch5 was meant to have another therapy session with Amber, in which we were going to get some much needed answers to the missing Summer macguffin. This didn't happen in the end, just a rather long and drawn out book club scene which, going forward, will probably have no impact on the overall plot, apart from maybe a couple of scenes involving Noji and Sasha.
Perhaps I have been too harsh on Ch5, and unfairly comparing it to other AVN's updates.
I still feel it's too early in development to have so many convoluted plotlines and individual stories, and no clues or answers to how they are going to pan out.
I mean, what's the deal with Emilio??
Perhaps I have been too harsh on Ch5, and unfairly comparing it to other AVN's updates.
I still feel it's too early in development to have so many convoluted plotlines and individual stories, and no clues or answers to how they are going to pan out.
I mean, what's the deal with Emilio??
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I'll reply in reverse - have you played WiaB's recent update? These games are playing in sync almost like two halves and they'll both converge. Ocean's drawing out revelations to prevent spoiling the develoment of each. If he does it well, there won't be anything comparable. For example, the original Star Wars trilogy had massive revelations that destroyed the prequel triolgy, because we already knew who the emporor was, and we already knew who Darth Vader would bang. The prequels suffered from being a pantomime because we already knew what would happen, all we got to see was the details of how. It was telegraphed. If Ocean does this right, he can keep the surprise in each. If does it poorly, it'll just be obscure with too many secrets for too long, or nonsensical plot points. Currently I'm feeling he's doing it well.
Emilio's vibe is going to play a role, we're about a sixth of the way through the planned plot for SG. Some characters like Katie probably will not have huge plot development as this plot is around Nika. Emilio's part will be I guess kind of a macguffin - he'll merely be a way to set things in motion or reveal plot information that's two challenging to introduce through events - he can be used to trigger exposition or flashbacks that no one could have witnessed, because he has his mysterious informations sources. He'll probably play a significant part in WiaB, so chances are he'll be important is SG, but with a developed/established character based on how WiaB turns out. Currently we have a before and after shot of both him and Katie, and possibly one or two others.
Regarding the cabin trip - my guess is Ocean plans on lewd things happening with that and the farm, so he's procrastinated on that simply to get the steam release done as non adult. Season two can be adult, and season one then becomes a relatively safe hook to drag people in. Clearly from WiaB we know Ocean has no problem doing lewds and actually does them quite well. Noce this season is out, I suspect we'll see a more positive development cycle for both games.
The book club served to reveal a lot of interpersonal politics that had more to do with how WiaB has effected SG. It's part of the world building and making the characters more believable. Charlie for example she's close to Sasha through Robin, and Nika's antagonising her - what will that mean for his interactions with Robin and Sasha? Much better than Robin having a grumpy mum for no reason. Then there's Emilia who I suspect was Emilie from the original WiaB's camping trip - Katie gets everyone stoned, and they have a pretty riotous drugged orgy, including a raccoon. Now if my theory is correct, she's the porn actress that is Noji's best friend. And the obvious big one, Katie, Noji's worst frenemy? Anna's flirting with Nika can definitely lead somewhere, but if he pursues it openly just to mess with people, I can see that having a negative affect on RObin and Sasha, even Bella, because CLaire is a gossip. So I'd say it will have a lot of impact, as it was a natural way to introduce characters. I can't imagine a natural way for Katie to turn up at Noji's house for example. This at least introduces themes without showing the full deck of cards.
I am also reading too much into it
The thing more disappointing than those "Haters" is your response its one thing to respond to them at all but to completely disregard their whole point and thinking you solved something is outrageous some of them raise valid points about the game's development and some people including myself just cut support after 6 months because there was so little content to put my arm around now i did make a post here about the development issue does that make me a bad person? no its the opposite being concerned about this series and how its being handled is important to me and i come here to express it in the most respectful way possible some people might degrade the series in question those are the "Haters" you probably are talking about and guess what you can find them in pretty much every big title this industry has published but the problem here is those haters are most of the time completely random people that played the game for 30 mins hated something in it and then come to diss on the creators but here its a specific problem many people talk about it that being patrons or non patrons some out of concern for the series and some with ill intentions you cant escape the latter no matter what and if alot of people have the same problem and are expressing it here then you should know the problem is real and can lead to lasting problems in the future if not fixed.Yeah... the constant complaining is getting rather annoying. If the update cycle's not something you can cope with, or the rework & changes to the story aren't things you can live with... then why not leave? These grand announcements of how this user won't play the game because of X, and that user hates it because of Y... they're getting quite old. If these things bother you so much, why not leave and scratch Summer's Gone off of your list? Why stay to announce to the world that you decided not to pirate this game? Like omg! Whatever will Oceans do about a random F95 user who decided that they're no longer going to pirate his game??
I honestly get the frustration; some of it is definitely warranted... but some of you need to relax. Find another game to play... or better yet, do something rather than stalking these pages waiting for the right moment to meme about how your grandkids may finally experience the end of this game. Since I'm probably the only girl here right now, I'll say it. It's kind of sad that for some of you, your only comments are about how Oceans is a bad developer, how the development cycle upsets you, or some other flaw of this game. My goodness, find something else to do because seeing so many users add nothing more to the conversation than ripping on the game... gets proper annoying. Often enough, I saw people voicing their praise for the game, saying how much they love this and can't wait for that, and some of you guys will show up(out of nowhere) and go out of your way to kill their joy for the game. It's literally crazy how some of you will go out of your way to do this kind of stuff. Hundreds of games on this site, and you choose to spend your time annoying people in SG's thread. That's... kind of sad
Some of you will hate me for this(if you don't already), but I'll say it anyway. Some of these critique/review posts seem disingenuous... almost as if some people came here just to complain. The last few pages have been 70% made up of people complaining that they'll never see the end of this game and the fact that Oceans will rework this game to death. If you truly believe that, truly believe that Oceans will never improve and genuinely believe that Ocean's pace will stay the same forever... leave. If you think honestly that Oceans is out to rework this game every single season... leave. Save yourselves the heartache. This thread can do without all of the extra negativityღ
Like I can't stress enough how dumb this all isღ
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I haven´t played the new chapter, i prefer to wait for the full season 1 and them jugde it, but i have this fear, i see comments about the chapter and there aren´t so good like with other chapters, It is obvious all the chapters can´t be equal good, is the same for the series or games, sometimes they are very good and sometimes less...
I still want to play since zero but without sex scenes and with the censor Ocean did...my hype is less than it should be.
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Don´t forget CH5 is still Beta - so let´s wait what to come in CH5 Final
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You've been around enough to know what's going on. Everyone gets upset when their fetishised subjects don't get the attention they believe is necessary. If you are able to wait until the full season then you can do a whole intergrated play through without wondering which renders will be replaced and which things are continuity errors vs not finished. To be honest 5 was far more emotive than the tabletop game. There's also a couple of moments I would say are high points of the the first season for me. I think also, the last part of the rework will finally lay to rest the old render mismatches (we'll just have Ocean's fluctuating cupsizes from here, no more ghoul grins).
Best thing is that you'll have it as a seamless whole, so you can judge it on it's own merits. At least 57.3% of the negativity (not an accurately rounded number*) is people complaining about what's missing. I'm going to do a full play through just to remind myself of all the details. Even if there's not a huge lot left for me to find out for season 1, I'm still excited for the full version. Playing the full thing, I probably won't notice or care what's missing. The dangers of getting things before they're complete, ...is you get them incomplete.
*The other xy.z% of complaints are due to the lack of dick pics. Facts
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Yes, i don´t doubt about Ocean´s talent , i know the story is excellent and the renders are uniques, but the news about the songs licenses problems and all the changes in the jacuzzi scene and all of that make me to be a little worried. Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the new chapter soYou've been around enough to know what's going on. Everyone gets upset when their fetishised subjects don't get the attention they believe is necessary. If you are able to wait until the full season then you can do a whole intergrated play through without wondering which renders will be replaced and which things are continuity errors vs not finished. To be honest 5 was far more emotive than the tabletop game. There's also a couple of moments I would say are high points of the the first season for me. I think also, the last part of the rework will finally lay to rest the old render mismatches (we'll just have Ocean's fluctuating cupsizes from here, no more ghoul grins).
Best thing is that you'll have it as a seamless whole, so you can judge it on it's own merits. At least 57.3% of the negativity (not an accurately rounded number*) is people complaining about what's missing. I'm going to do a full play through just to remind myself of all the details. Even if there's not a huge lot left for me to find out for season 1, I'm still excited for the full version. Playing the full thing, I probably won't notice or care what's missing. The dangers of getting things before they're complete, ...is you get them incomplete.
*The other xy.z% of complaints are due to the lack of dick pics. Facts
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Don...really? I iz dissapoint son...Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the game so
I can certainly understand newbies trying the game for the first time, not liking it, and leaving a comment (providing it's not "dissing on the creators").
Then there are those that played it before, know the score, download the update, then complain about the same old things (long update cycle, absence of sex scenes, but excluding recent discussion on removal of lewds in Ch 5 Beta. The disappointment there is understandable as is the rationale for the removal being done). It's not like caveat emptor hasn't clearly been in force for the last couple of years.
I expect most people generally agree about the long update cycle and absence of sex scenes. Some people accept it, some people don't. Nothing we rehash here over and over on those subjects is going to change the game development.
As for (my definition of) "Haters," I've only noticed a limited few on this thread - users who seem to have a pathological need to periodically diss a game they clearly haven't enjoyed for years.
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I´m talking about the chapter 5, i´m waiting for the full
Just to clarify, I'm not 'Hating' on Summer's Gone. I honestly think it's one of the best AVNs out there. I was only expressing my disappointment in Chapter 5 beta. Up to this point, everything has been spot on.
I'm not overly keen on the synergy between SG and WiaB, though.
I have no interest in playing WiaB so will most likely miss any spoilers or characters connected between the games, which kind of spoils things tbh; knowing that people or conversations in WiaB might reveal secrets or something vital to the overall plot that isn't specifically mentioned in Summer's Gone.
I'm not overly keen on the synergy between SG and WiaB, though.
I have no interest in playing WiaB so will most likely miss any spoilers or characters connected between the games, which kind of spoils things tbh; knowing that people or conversations in WiaB might reveal secrets or something vital to the overall plot that isn't specifically mentioned in Summer's Gone.
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Damn...don't do that to me, thought you meant all of it lol. Also waiting for full 5 before going through updateI´m talking about the chapter 5, i´m waiting for the full
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I know, sorry!!! I didn't notice i wrote "game" , i wanted to say "the new chapter"Damn...don't do that to me, thought you meant all of it lol. Also waiting for full 5 before going through update
I have edited the comment to evite misunderstanding
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Well, WiaB basically starts with lewds, so I think Ocean will let Nika grow up at a belieavble pace. Let's face it, no one buying it on steam will believe for a second that SG will remain SFW, and will be clamouring for faster development.Yes, i don´t doubt about Ocean´s talent , i know the story is excellent and the renders are uniques, but the news about the songs licenses problems and all the changes in the jacuzzi scene and all of that make me to be a little worried. Of course this is only a feeling becouse i haven´t played the game so
The whole overall rationale of Ocean's games is that they all occupy the same world, so everything is really one big story. It's incredibly ambitious. The Star Wars reference I made has a parallel here as well. Not knowing what happened in the phantom menace in no way spoil empire strikes back. Mad rabid fans, like me, will enjoy the whole lot, but ultimately the plot isn't about the dynasties of Wollust - that a subtext. The plot is about Nika, and I doubt Ocean will make it impossible to play or enjoy without knowing all the trivia.
I once read a sci-fi series starting at book two because the library lost book one. It was actually cooler without book one, the mystery was intense, but the plot was still understandable..
Well, I'd gladly meet up with you in the old folks home if and when SG The Final Chapter drops (provided I'm still alive). Alas, I fear by then I will no longer understand what an SG is, and would need someone to read the story loudly to me while I dribble down my bed pillow.