VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[sorco2003]

Okay - I'll ask the obvious...

What prompted you to respond to a post from mid-August 2023 on January 2nd, 2024?

Are you actually that far behind on your review of the SG thread, page 1224, or is this something else?

I took a few minutes to reread the surrounding commentary of that part of the thread and I feel Fortuna ღ was spot on with her response.

She spoke well enough about the haters hitting the SG thread in the first two weeks of August (in particular) that a number of us did not feel the need to add in our 'two cents.'

I Am in that group of people who get tired of the trolls/haters who appear just so that they can dis something that they don't like and many of whom seem to have not even played SG's full content (other than skipping through who knows how much of the story before announcing 'What a short update with no sex!')

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You posted here on this thread choosing a single message from August 2023.

I'm treating your post as an invitation to a discussion and if you want to offer specific feedback about SG for future discussion, feel free to reply with that feedback.

Cheers!!

I want to give my two cents.
It's a waste of time to revive a post from August, but it's also a waste of time for that post to be posted in the OP.
(this will undoubtedly bring about more and more of the same situation).
My other penny, no need to feed the trolls.
And I say this even though I do not share the ideas you write in your answer.

 

[John972]

100% agreed. My comment about technology is that Ocean won't ever buy a slower computer with a worse version of Daz than he has now, and Ocean won't make as many boob sculpt mistakes in the future as he does now - future Ocean willl just have own that he really wanted everything supersized ...or learned from his lessons I'd rather it is done right, but just looking at the time saving from one software update, well, how much faster do computers get? In my work, what I'm doing now with software was unthinkable as a student. In my work, 4 years ago, the computer was my ceiling. The computer I have now waits for me to make decisions more often than not - I'm now the weak link, and productivity is much better. Technology isn't a magic wand, but it does keep getting faster at crunching numbers.

Yeah, but as hardware gets more powerful, software gets more resource-hungry to dissipate any initial advantage gained. (I'm old enough to remember when the dawn of the business computing age promised the "paperless office". Bollocks! It simply led to the generation of vastly more paperwork within a shorter period of time).

On that note, I hope Ocean settles on a faster workflow once he gets new hardware, rather than trying to up the quality of the renders above what he is achieving now. In any event, I hope Ocean's transition to Blender goes smoothly.

 

[Doomyk]

It will be very interesting to see Najiko’s reaction in the next chapter, when Nika and Nami announce that they want to live separately.

 

[BobTheDuck]

Yeah, but as hardware gets more powerful, software gets more resource-hungry to dissipate any initial advantage gained. (I'm old enough to remember when the dawn of the business computing age promised the "paperless office". Bollocks! It simply led to the generation of vastly more paperwork within a shorter period of time).

On that note, I hope Ocean settles on a faster workflow once he gets new hardware, rather than trying to up the quality of the renders above what he is achieving now. In any event, I hope Ocean's transition to Blender goes smoothly.

I guess technolgy is like a household budget - most often the spending will rise to the level of income capacity. But when the technology has been advancing at a faster than the software, it's almost impossible to utilise except as speed for crunching (which is actually great). In my work, the technological gains in 4 years have vastly outstripped the pretentiousness of the developers, but the market has shrunk, so there's a massive push to use the gains to be efficient, rather than create more content. Most creative industries are realising this refinement is necessary for survival.

 

[John972]

I think SG would be more shallow without Wiab, its a big part of the mystery. Playing both avns sometimes feels like watching "Lost" as a teenager.

I dont see it as two seperate avns and even less as two storys. Its one big story, from SG-perspective Wiab is just a huge flashback exploring exactly what the title describes.

Ocean is really good at world- and characterbuilding and development (maybe the best in the genre) and obviously renders and atmosphere and it shows.

A former poster critizied (too) many open plots and not enough answers but thats kinda a part i like about it, not everything is drawn out and i think we (unfortunaly haha) have to wait a loooooooooooooong time for some conclusions.

I would be very surprised if Nika and Nami's origin is uncovered before chapter 20, i could even see something like Ocean throwing in a red herring like introducing a Mr. or Mrs. Cyrus in wiab just to reveal later that they were fakeparents and Nika and Nami are indeed willy & leia's kids (sorry i dont want to open another discussion about this, just a thought lol).

We just have to hope ocean has it better planned than the "Lost" creators or the worst offender i watched in more recent times was the tv-series "Blacklist" regarding mysterys and reveals.

It is great how both games are intertwined. I know a lot of people give shit to Ocean for developing two games at the same time, but if he pulls off reveals in each game so that they compliment each other, then it's gonna be a wild and satisfying ride...

(disclaimer: I'm not the biggest fan of WIAB, mainly 'cause I think the MC - William - is such an immature dickhead/meathead. I am loving Miru's rehabilitation in the rework though - she's truly kick-ass and I can't wait to see her peg William in the nuts using her family's secret fighting style one fine day ).

 

[PaxHadrian17]

The thing that stuck out to me about the latest rev of Daz (4.22) was part of what Ocean said in the below Dev Log:

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My key take away:

So - 157 hours saved in just opening book club scenes - which is almost 4 work weeks of 40 hour weeks... (recognizing that Ocean and his hardware are working far more than 8-hour days but still a Huge time savings).

I have never used Daz, but I understand from a number of devs that the time loading complex scenes burns major daylight (and night-time) hours.

This kind of time savings can definitely help speed development!

Picture those BB games with 10 characters on the court + refs + a few extra people close to court and rendering these BB games becomes Much more feasible - time wise.

This will definitely enhance Season 2's story action and, I believe, the speed of delivery of future chapters.

Cheers!!

 

[BobTheDuck]

The thing that stuck out to me about the latest rev of Daz (4.22) was part of what Ocean said in the below Dev Log:

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My key take away:

So - 157 hours saved in just opening book club scenes - which is almost 4 work weeks of 40 hour weeks... (recognizing that Ocean and his hardware are working far more than 8-hour days but still a Huge time savings).

I have never used Daz, but I understand from a number of devs that the time loading complex scenes burns major daylight (and night-time) hours.

This kind of time savings can definitely help speed development!

Picture those BB games with 10 characters on the court + refs + a few extra people close to court and rendering these BB games becomes Much more feasible - time wise.

This will definitely enhance Season 2's story action and, I believe, the speed of delivery of future chapters.

Cheers!!

Exactly - this is a very positive step moving forward. It's not just the time saved, it's also focus kept - being able to do something while you're thinking about it is a massive productivity boost. Processing and loading bars kill creativity, you have to get up and make a coffee, then another. Then you realise you loaded the wrong thing, or a plugin is missing. It's very understanded how great this news is.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Just the complex scene loading times are insane, then add rendering time

 

[Krytax123]

It is great how both games are intertwined. I know a lot of people give shit to Ocean for developing two games at the same time, but if he pulls off reveals in each game so that they compliment each other, then it's gonna be a wild and satisfying ride...

(disclaimer: I'm not the biggest fan of WIAB, mainly 'cause I think the MC - William - is such an immature dickhead/meathead. I am loving Miru's rehabilitation in the rework though - she's truly kick-ass and I can't wait to see her peg William in the nuts using her family's secret fighting style one fine day ).

Yeah i think its a deliberate decision to potray William kinda .. unlikeable lol.

He's deliberately tactless and always looking for a button to push to trigger the one he's talking to and yeah he seems to be less mature than the younger Nika.

But i think its somewhat of an act? Willy behaves way different in the beginning in his appartment only with miru.

He kinda has the same tendency for (less smart than he thinks) mindgames similar to Nika which is in Nika's case already questionable but even worse in Willy's lol.

But i think the "real" william is the one in the beginning in the appartment with miru or the one or the one leaving the wooden piece with whatever written onto it (L + W? lol) at leia's place after their argument at the stripclub and him attaining knowledge of her struggles.

So i kinda hope he will surprise us and develop further and that were seeing a very confused/overwhelmed version of william at the moment being back home.

 

[ShaggyDave76]

Dungeon Master on Atari ST? Either there's a joke in there that completely flew over my head, or I'm blind.
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Lol, probably not my best comparison.
I was just pointing out that, Dungeon Master was made and released in 1987.
For the time period the graphics, sound, length and depth of gameplay and all the internal shennegans like the battle system, icons, sprites, floors and walls, everything. . . It was all done with LESS THAN ONE SINGLE MEGABYTE of memory and processing power!!

Compare that to todays games and AVNS. What would you get for 1MB these days?
A single line of dialogue? A couple of pixels of an image?
Feels like tech has gone backwards rather than forwards, and everything now requires and will only run with MORE processing power and Memory than it ever did before.

Mad World!

 

[JJ1960]

Lol, probably not my best comparison.
I was just pointing out that, Dungeon Master was made and released in 1987.
For the time period the graphics, sound, length and depth of gameplay and all the internal shennegans like the battle system, icons, sprites, floors and walls, everything. . . It was all done with LESS THAN ONE SINGLE MEGABYTE of memory and processing power!!

Compare that to todays games and AVNS. What would you get for 1MB these days?
A single line of dialogue? A couple of pixels of an image?
Feels like tech has gone backwards rather than forwards, and everything now requires and will only run with MORE processing power and Memory than it ever did before.

Mad World!

Yeah, and that Model T car was really something. Why does the Tesla Model S weigh so much more and is so expensive and complicated? Nothing makes sense anymore.

 

[John972]

Yeah i think its a deliberate decision to potray William kinda .. unlikeable lol.

He's deliberately tactless and always looking for a button to push to trigger the one he's talking to and yeah he seems to be less mature than the younger Nika.

But i think its somewhat of an act? Willy behaves way different in the beginning in his appartment only with miru.

He kinda has the same tendency for (less smart than he thinks) mindgames similar to Nika which is in Nika's case already questionable but even worse in Willy's lol.

But i think the "real" william is the one in the beginning in the appartment with miru or the one or the one leaving the wooden piece with whatever written onto it (L + M? lol) at leia's place after their argument at the stripclub and him attaining knowledge of her struggles.

So i kinda hope he will surprise us and develop further and that were seeing a very confused/overwhelmed version of william at the moment being back home.

William's character is malleable according to player choices, just like Nika's. It will be interesting to see to what character extremes either MC can be shaped to. I tend to make choices that make William and Nika the least straight up assholes as I can, at least on my virgin playthroughs.

...the one thing about William and Miru's relationship, it's extremely transactional (poundy coupons? Who does that?). I'm not sure about William's carved wood ploy yet - is he doing it to press Leia's buttons as a form of manipulation or because he seeks to mend their relationship without other ulterior motives? Time will tell. Besides, Ocean's MC's aren't black & white - they tend to be morally good and bad at the same time, with moral shades of grey in between.

 

[johnsman]

When you tell bella that you and mila kissed, she looks hurt and says ,,we weren't exclusive".(past tense) Does that imply that going forward they will be exclusive or am I just reading too much into that?

 

[BobTheDuck]

When you tell bella that you and mila kissed, she looks hurt and says ,,we weren't exclusive".(past tense) Does that imply that going forward they will be exclusive or am I just reading too much into that?

I would never believe someone who said we're not exclusive. It's basically a prenup agreement to avoid waterworks, but Bella's going to wonder why Nika is seeking romance with other people, and wonder if he gets hard for other girls, and maybe she'll wonder if Robin got sweet lovin' and Nika actually doesn't find her attractive and is playing her.

Ocean has mentioned that Nika 'manwhore' Cyrus will encounter many problems, so trying to play each path simultaneously is only advised if you like all the LI thinking you're an untrustworthy POS.

All the LI's except maybe Vic have trust issues, or relational complications. I think Ocean's going to make it hard to avoid consequences, so a game with actual meaningful choices rather than advertised choices

 

[Doomyk]

William's character is malleable according to player choices, just like Nika's. It will be interesting to see to what character extremes either MC can be shaped to. I tend to make choices that make William and Nika the least straight up assholes as I can, at least on my virgin playthroughs.

...the one thing about William and Miru's relationship, it's extremely transactional (poundy coupons? Who does that?). I'm not sure about William's carved wood ploy yet - is he doing it to press Leia's buttons as a form of manipulation or because he seeks to mend their relationship without other ulterior motives? Time will tell. Besides, Ocean's MC's aren't black & white - they tend to be morally good and bad at the same time, with moral shades of grey in between.

Coupons can be used at any time. Considering that Miru has a very high libido, this is the best gift for her.
As for Leia, it seems to me that there are several factors here at once. William definitely still has feelings for her and a sense of guilt, on the other hand, his asshole behavior is more like a defensive reaction. On the other hand, although Leia has strong feelings for William, she is completely lack of trust + huge pain to see Miru with Willy happy can also lead to strong hatred.She directly says that she thought she could handle it, but no.
PS:I’m more interested in howmany hundreds or even thousands of coupons Miru will require in exchange for William’s sex with Leia.

 

[John972]

Coupons can be used at any time. Considering that Miru has a very high libido, this is the best gift for her.
As for Leia, it seems to me that there are several factors here at once. William definitely still has feelings for her and a sense of guilt, on the other hand, his asshole behavior is more like a defensive reaction. On the other hand, although Leia has strong feelings for William, she is completely lack of trust + huge pain to see Miru with Willy happy can also lead to strong hatred.She directly says that she thought she could handle it, but no.
PS:I’m more interested in howmany hundreds or even thousands of coupons Miru will require in exchange for William’s sex with Leia.

Good points.

I am wondering if William is amiable to auctioning off poundy coupons on eBay.

 

[Ragna The Bloodedge]

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[Lurcher1]

But given Willi and Miru spoke about opening a gyme, it's entirely likely they did, and that where Nika might see see Miru and or Willi. It's be interesting to see how the training with Ayua goes in any case.

I'm of the opinion that the upcoming sparring session will go sideways in some way causing Ayua to call it or off and/or be somewhat unnerved by what happens. Not because he's the better fighter, but more likely he uses fighting as a form of self harm and using pain as a way to fire up his deadened emotions.

 

[BobTheDuck]

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Spoilery content that may or may not be true:
- It's implied Nami sent the officer after Nika and Summer when they went to the cabin, and that she might have had a hand in sabotaging their relationship.
- Noji has secrets, I don't think Nami is on on the big secrets that involve her and Nika: Noji knows Nami can't be trusted to stay silent.
- The current theories are that Noji is purposefully hiding Nika and Nami's parentage from them, and it's no accident that Noji is looking after them.
- Current theories (no canon yet) about their (Nika and Nami's) parentage require playing Ocean's other game WiaB and trying to second guess Ocean's plots. The main thing is that there will be some connection with the Zane family, even if it is something like the Zane family in some way caused Nika and Nami to be orphans, if not being their blood relatives.
- Nami and Sasha's earring belong to a character from WiaB. Sasha is a Petrova, the earrings belong to Ayua's aunt - both Ayua's aunt and Sasha's mum (who owns the tennis club) are the Z and P in ZPR of the college. Nothing is known about why the earrings are given to them.
- We have no details of Nika and Nami's parents accident, but there are also the Frohns who had a car accident. There is a chance that there might be some criminal war going on and the parents were collateral damage, or everyone has lied to Nika and Nami to hide their parent's identity.
- The person in a coma is Bella's sister, the one that Nika triggers her by asking about earlier.

Regarding continuation/released, the full chapter 5 release should be soon, and that will add a bit more detail regarding the heist scene and the Holgersons. THe game has an anticipated 30 chapters or so, so we're a sixth of the way in. It will be a slow process, fingers crossed it speeds up, no date has been set, just the length of the game.

If you want more Ocean, check out his other game Where It All Began. It is set before this and you see some of the same characters when they we young - it happens in the same story universe. Ocean's developing both games simultaneously, so it's hard to say exactly which theories are true, but keep checking the thread, we tend to gossip over theories, because it's a pretty grand story.

 

[Mortarion]

Spoilery content that may or may not be true: It's implied Nami sent the officer after Nika and Summer when they went to the cabin, and that she might have had a hand in sabotaging their relationship. Noji has secrets, I don't think Nami is on on the big secrets that involve her and Nika - Noji knows Nami can't be trusted to stay silent. The current theories are that Noji is purposefully hiding Nika and Nami's parentage from them, and it's no accident that Noji is looking after them. Current theories about their parentage require playin Ocean's other game WiaB and trying to second guess Ocean's plots. The main thing is that there will be some connection with the Zane family, even if it is something like the Zane family in some way caused Nika and Nami to be orphans, if not being their blood relatives. Nami and Sasha's earring belong to a character from WiaB. Sasha is a Petrova, the earrings belong to Ayua's aunt - both Ayua's aunt and Sasha's mum (who owns the tennis club) are the Z and P in ZPR of the college. Nothing is known about why the earrings are given to them. We have no details of Nika and Nami's parents accident, but there are also the Frohns who had a car accident. There is a chance that there might be some criminal war going on and the parents were collateral damage, or everyone has lied to Nika and Nami to hide their parent's identity. The person in a coma is Bella's sister, the one that NIka triggers her by asking about earlier.

Regarding continuation/released, the full chapter 5 release should be soon, and that will add a bit more detail regarding the heist scene and the Holgersons. THe game has an anticipated 30 chapters or so, so we're a sixth of the way in. It will be a slow process, fingers crossed it speeds up, no date has been set, just the length of the game.

If you want more Ocean, check out his other game Where It All Began. It is set before this and you see some of the same characters when they we young - it happens in the same story universe. Ocean's developing both games simultaneously, so it's hard to say exactly which theories are true, but keep checking the thread, we tend to gossip over theories, because it's a pretty grand story.

Your posts are always good to read and understandable, but sorry, your spoiler part is just exhausting to read. Please place some formating into this part...