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Playing the game slowly so I can see if I missed anything. I am right now up to the book club scene. From Nojikos conversation to Kate leads me to believe Kate might be Nika and/or Nami mother. Reason why I have this theory is when Nika arrives they knew he was coming and Nojiko told Kate you haven't been here for months it's no coincidence you came today. Stay away . Kate says it's not for you to decide. Then she approaches Nika and Nami. At first I thought the argument was about the book club till I paid attention to everything that was said from the moment they showed up. But hey just a theory
Katie didn't know in advance that Nika was going to the bookclub because Nika announced his decision to go just as Nojiko and Nami were departing. Only Nami was originally going to attend the meet with Nojiko.
 

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Katie didn't know in advance that Nika was going to the bookclub because Nika announced his decision to go just as Nojiko and Nami were departing. Only Nami was originally going to attend the meet with Nojiko.
Yea that's why I said and/or but you're right.
 

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Why is he still changing things in Season 1 ??? Ocean you're part of the Big 3 leave it alone and work on Season 2 I need my fix of Bella!!!

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If you've followed SG from the beginning, you'll know that the render quality has increased in fits and starts. The original Chapters 1 to 3.5 contain renders that are visually of a lower quality than those from chapters 4 onward.

Ocean remade chapters 1 and 2 entirely and initially reworked only parts of chapters 3 and 3.5. Personally, I'd have no problem with Ocean reworking most, if not all of 3 and 3.5 to ensure visual consistency ahead of the Season 1 Steam release.
 
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Yea that's why I said and/or but you're right.
Well, it is the enticing part of the bookclub scene - why is Katie interested in Nami and Nika?

Intriguing scenario: Katie is interested because of Nika/Nami's parentage. Mundane scenario: Katie - as part of the cadre involved in the ZPR basketball teams - is interested because she heard Nika was a basketball ace at High School.
 

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If you've followed SG from the beginning, you'll know that the render quality has increased in fits and starts. The original Chapters 1 to 3.5 contain renders that are visually of a lower quality than those from chapters 4 onward.

Ocean remade chapters 1 and 2 entirely and initially reworked only parts of chapters 3 and 3.5. Personally, I'd have no problem with Ocean reworking most, if not all of 3 and 3.5 to ensure visual consistency ahead of the Season 1 Steam release.
I think at this point, most of 3/3.5 has been spruced if not redone. The bar scene is the last holdout of the old aesthetic I think. I wouldn't want Ocean to touch the scene after the Relucia diner, the whole Bella army would hunt him down.

Well, it is the enticing part of the bookclub scene - why is Katie interested in Nami and Nika?

Intriguing scenario: Katie is interested because of Nika/Nami's parentage. Mundane scenario: Katie - as part of the cadre involved in the ZPR basketball teams - is interested because she heard Nika was a basketball ace at High School.
Seeing the two earrings are in the same room, it could well be both. The earrings symbolise some form of Zane interest that has nothing to do with sports, and is a long term interest. The 'see you around' is casual enough to mean anything.

If it wasn't for Nami's earring, we'd only have our theories to justify our suspicions: the earring and Noji's desire to keep Nika away, while not being worried about keeping Nami away. Actually thinking it through aloud, Noji's attempt to keep Nika away shows that her worry is about the Zane influence on Nika, not Nami, so her concern is something unique to Nika that has nothing to do with Nami, and has nothing to do with any Zane connection that the earring symbolises. Nami's Zane connection is considered 'safe' by Noji. Also, Noji's been keeping the book club quiet for longer than they've been at ZPR, while still hanging out at the book club that Katie and Leia go to. Strange behaviour if Noji views the Zane's as dangerous. I don't socialise and drink wine with people I don't trust.

Are you physically capable of writing without inserting arbitrary emojis every second sentence?
Being aware that some posters aren't english native, emojis help communicate the tone of a post to avoid miscommunication. It's quite courteous in my opinion. If that was the worst 'crime' here, this thread'd be 100% butterflies and unicorns.
 

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Noji's attempt to keep Nika away shows that her worry is about the Zane influence on Nika, not Nami, so her concern is something unique to Nika that has nothing to do with Nami, and has nothing to do with any Zane connection that the earring symbolises.
I took away a much simpler reason Nojiko didn't want Nika at bookclub - one that's implicitly referred to throughout the scene:

C-O-U-G-A-R-S!!!
 

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I took away a much simpler reason Nojiko didn't want Nika at bookclub - one that's implicitly referred to throughout the scene:

C-O-U-G-A-R-S!!!
Well, of course. Superficially though. The most obvious reason is that she doesn't want Nika knowing she's known Amber for months if not years. Amber's a close friend of Stephanie, we might find that her path starts via the book club, or at least via that social circle.

Also there are two of the major partners of ZPR represented in the Petrovas and the Zanes present at the book club, and Nika and Nami weren't able to choose their college - the blurb on the steam and epic store pages suggest they were awarded a place without submitting for a scholarship. So Noji has probably pulled some strings in the bookclub, or ZPR specifically organised the scholarships. Either way, Noji is more than she admits or seems, and she's trying to keep the illusions in place for some reason.
 

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Well, of course. Superficially though. The most obvious reason is that she doesn't want Nika knowing she's known Amber for months if not years. Amber's a close friend of Stephanie, we might find that her path starts via the book club, or at least via that social circle.

Also there are two of the major partners of ZPR represented in the Petrovas and the Zanes present at the book club, and Nika and Nami weren't able to choose their college - the blurb on the steam and epic store pages suggest they were awarded a place without submitting for a scholarship. So Noji has probably pulled some strings in the bookclub, or ZPR specifically organised the scholarships. Either way, Noji is more than she admits or seems, and she's trying to keep the illusions in place for some reason.
Like I inferred previously, the scholarships could be as mundane as basketball-related. I personally don't think so, but logic doesn't rule it out.
 

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Like I inferred previously, the scholarships could be as mundane as basketball-related. I personally don't think so, but logic doesn't rule it out.
I don't think so - the fact that Nika isn't guaranteed a place on any team argues against it, as well as the extra curricular training that's off the books. Whatever the scholarship is, Nami's is also covered. Currently in sports they're playing with Mila and Nia, who have no interest - it makes it seem a very general sports class. Also, Nika wasn't certain he'd even try out when talking with Jeff. If you had a scholarship for the sport, it's guaranteed you'll be doing the sport, and your whole curriculum pivots around that.

I'd say is more likely a discretionary scholarship, like Vic's.
 

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I don't think so - the fact that Nika isn't guaranteed a place on any team argues against it, as well as the extra curricular training that's off the books. Whatever the scholarship is, Nami's is also covered. Currently in sports they're playing with Mila and Nia, who have no interest - it makes it seem a very general sports class. Also, Nika wasn't certain he'd even try out when talking with Jeff. If you had a scholarship for the sport, it's guaranteed you'll be doing the sport, and your whole curriculum pivots around that.

I'd say is more likely a discretionary scholarship, like Vic's.
ocean has a simple out about their going to college and not getting student loans...
She is supposedly a Surgeon/ER doc in NY which make ~400k usd/year; BUT he plays it like they are rather cash strapped compared to others... because Noji has been saving for college and doesn't carry a lot of debt.
all $ questions answered that he had failed to research prior. [doctors in usa make waaay more than the national average salary NY state even more so, cause its crazy expensive, especially near NYC]
he could use this reasoning and not have to have some crazy lost it all on a bad horse, bad pyramid scheme, etc.
she has been setting aside $ every year since she became their mom to cover college, etc. and college in USA especially a private UNI which this implies is, is what 50k/semester?
how much is an ivy league school per year [not to imply ZPR is ivy league, just bouncing numbers]
....as far as when they talk about costs for MCs psych, maybe Amber doesn't take insurance, she is that sought after? or maybe Noji doesn't trust the Dr's/group therapy he would get with her insurance.

case in point Dana - charged way more than average... and got is cause she was that damn good, not just hawtAF.
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She's one of the main LIs, so arguably just as important as all the others.


Just because Nami and Bella got more screen time does not automatically make them more entitled to be the face of Summer's Gone.


So something like the gallery art? Sure, if your goal is to display all the characters' faces.


Although an argument could be made that since the first season focuses more on their storylines, that they should be present in the S1 cover. But I don't think that should be the primary goal when creating a game poster - I mean Tracer is considered the face of Overwatch and she's not incredibly relevant in the game lore-wise.

Personally I really liked the Sasha one. Pretty disappointed it was shot down in favour of someone's lips.

She is? when I played the game, it never felt that way (maybe further in when I just started skipping shit) I never got the feeling that she was a love interest (a main one at that) But again, I probably skipped over stuff and missed something. Still didn't feel important to me.

Well, if you are going to be seeing their face a lot (or half the time) then, why not? I mean, Summer's face should be on the cover... would make more sense. But I know Ocean won't do that so why not the two girls that seem to get a lot of attention?

I don't know, I didn't look at the Gallery. It all depends on how you do it, not those stupid Marvel/Hero movie covers with too much shite on them. You can do it creatively, but I was also just giving a suggestion for more than one girl to share the "game cover art" love.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that Tracer is the main face for Overwatch 1 and is in the cover art for Overwatch 2 but with other characters as well. You play it for lore? pffft, I played it back in the day to just kill shit and have fun.

Well, these are some of "your" thoughts, ideas, wants and likes.

"Personally I really liked the Sasha one"

"But I don't think that should be the primary goal when creating a game poster"

It will just be what Ocean wants, not what we want, what we think etc.

Last chapter Bella wants a quickie on the roof of the car
I think this is not virgin behavior ;)
She's a slut/whore underneath it all!

A virgin? bwahahaha! the illusion.... my ribs hurt.
 
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ocean has a simple out about their going to college and not getting student loans...
She is supposedly a Surgeon/ER doc in NY which make ~400k usd/year; BUT he plays it like they are rather cash strapped compared to others... because Noji has been saving for college and doesn't carry a lot of debt.
all $ questions answered that he had failed to research prior. [doctors in usa make waaay more than the national average salary NY state even more so, cause its crazy expensive, especially near NYC]
he could use this reasoning and not have to have some crazy lost it all on a bad horse, bad pyramid scheme, etc.
she has been setting aside $ every year since she became their mom to cover college, etc. and college in USA especially a private UNI which this implies is, is what 50k/semester?
how much is an ivy league school per year [not to imply ZPR is ivy league, just bouncing numbers]
....as far as when they talk about costs for MCs psych, maybe Amber doesn't take insurance, she is that sought after? or maybe Noji doesn't trust the Dr's/group therapy he would get with her insurance.

case in point Dana - charged way more than average... and got is cause she was that damn good, not just hawtAF.
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I am tripping? I thought she was a nurse and not a fucking surgeon. I didn't know the avg of ER doctors in usa was ~400k tho. If she were any of the two specialties, then there is no need to save money, and moreso, she has a hell of connections to actually make big bucks as a doctor and not a normal doctor in a normal hospital.
An ivy college year tuition estimated cost is around ~75k. But with the salary that you said, it was really easy to get, even by paying it upfront and without prior interest of money set aside since she adopted them.
 

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She is? when I played the game, it never felt that way (maybe further in when I just started skipping shit) I never got the feeling that she was a love interest (a main one at that) But again, I probably skipped over stuff and missed something. Still didn't feel important to me.

Well, if you are going to be seeing their face a lot (or half the time) then, why not? I mean, Summer's face should be on the cover... would make more sense. But I know Ocean won't do that so why not the two girls that seem to get a lot of attention?

I don't know, I didn't look at the Gallery. It all depends on how you do it, not those stupid Marvel/Hero movie covers with too much shite on them. You can do it creatively, but I was also just giving a suggestion for more than one girl to share the "game cover art" love.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the fact that Tracer is the main face for Overwatch 1 and is in the cover art for Overwatch 2 but with other characters as well. You play it for lore? pffft, I played it back in the day to just kill shit and have fun.

Well, these are some of "your" thoughts, ideas, wants and likes.

"Personally I really liked the Sasha one"

"But I don't think that should be the primary goal when creating a game poster"

It will just be what Ocean wants, not what we want, what we think etc.
I'm assuming you are talking about Sasha if so im with ya, I never got anything more than a side girl vibe from her yet. It didn't really feel like just got much screen time till the last update tbh.
 

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Talking about this girl

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She didn't feel like a LI to me when I played the game.

Sasha, eh, idk. game kept going back to Bella or Nami half the time so lol barely anyone else felt important to me.
oh I forget she even exist lol. I don't even plan to play her path tbh doesn't seem that interesting to me at all, as of right now.
 

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ocean has a simple out about their going to college and not getting student loans...
She is supposedly a Surgeon/ER doc in NY which make ~400k usd/year; BUT he plays it like they are rather cash strapped compared to others... because Noji has been saving for college and doesn't carry a lot of debt.
all $ questions answered that he had failed to research prior. [doctors in usa make waaay more than the national average salary NY state even more so, cause its crazy expensive, especially near NYC]
he could use this reasoning and not have to have some crazy lost it all on a bad horse, bad pyramid scheme, etc.
she has been setting aside $ every year since she became their mom to cover college, etc. and college in USA especially a private UNI which this implies is, is what 50k/semester?
how much is an ivy league school per year [not to imply ZPR is ivy league, just bouncing numbers]
....as far as when they talk about costs for MCs psych, maybe Amber doesn't take insurance, she is that sought after? or maybe Noji doesn't trust the Dr's/group therapy he would get with her insurance.

case in point Dana - charged way more than average... and got is cause she was that damn good, not just hawtAF.
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I am tripping? I thought she was a nurse and not a fucking surgeon. I didn't know the avg of ER doctors in usa was ~400k tho. If she were any of the two specialties, then there is no need to save money, and moreso, she has a hell of connections to actually make big bucks as a doctor and not a normal doctor in a normal hospital.
An ivy college year tuition estimated cost is around ~75k. But with the salary that you said, it was really easy to get, even by paying it upfront and without prior interest of money set aside since she adopted them.
From the steam page:
But there's something in the back of your mind... Why couldn't you choose a college? Why did you have to go to the ZPR college?
Mysteries are about to unfold, and comfort zones are to be shattered.
There was no choice of college, and that is a mystery, so that's an established fact from Ocean. If it was because it was the only college Noji could afford for them, there would be no mystery as to why Nika was going to ZPR, there would be no question for why. Ocean revealling there was no choice, implies there is something to be revealed. Also, Mila can afford ZPR, so that means it's not impossible to afford.

d "Do you know anything about the college?"
scene ad2001 with dssa
n "Except that we didn't even get the chance to look around for other colleges, no."
n "But I checked some forums and it's a really good college... Even though most of them were complaining about not getting accepted."
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d "I have to think about classes... I don't even know what I'm gonna major in."
d "Probably people."
scene ad2003 with dssa
"Nami lets out a little laugh."
scene ad2004 with dssa
n "...They have a D1 Basketball team..."
n "Just saying."

d "I don't even know why I'm going to college..."
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m "So why did you say yes when I asked you?"
scene ae1645 with dssr
d "I had nothing else."
scene ae1646 with dssr
"Noji stays quiet."
From the script, suggesting Nika's not going for basketball, and doesn't know what he wants for classes, so no sports based scholarship.

b "Oh, my Mama keeps wondering when you're going to join the country club."
scene sa169 with dssa
m "Oh well-"
scene sa170 with dssa
d "We can't afford it."
scene sa171 with dssa
b "It's not that expensive."
scene sa172 with dssa
d "You moron, have you lost all connection to reality?"
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m "[name]!"
scene sa175 with dssa
d "It costs $700 a month... each."
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m "Oh. We can't afford that."

am "So Miss-"
m "Nojiko please."
am "Nojiko, I'd like to see him tomorrow again."
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m "Oh, well sure."
d "Don't just say yes... Can we even afford that?"
m "Yes."
"Amber nods."

d "Quit your job."
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m "'Quit your job'."
m "[name]... Why haven't I thought about that?"
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d "Because you think you need to please society and what it expects of you?"
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n "This coffee-"
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m "What makes you think I'm being pressured into this?"
scene ae1733 with dssa
d "You're miserable. After your old boss left, your situation there took a turn for the worse."
scene ae1734 with dssa
m "I'm not going to deny that my situation has changed since Scarlet retired."
m "However, I'm very much capable of analyzing my current situation and how it affects me."
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m "The problem is, that you forgot to add an element to your equation."
m "We have bills to pay."

scene ab362 with dssa
"Nojiko quietly sits next to you and Nami."
scene ab363 with dssa
d "Hard day?"
scene ab364 with dssa
m "..Ha- haha.."
m "I hate it. I hate seeing the same faces every day."
scene ab365 with dssa
n "Thanks, I guess...?"
scene ab366 with dssa
m "Ohh no! Not you two! I love you two... but the faces at work.."
scene ab367 with dssa
d "Well, quit your job?"
scene ab368 with dssa
m "Which would result in us living under a bridge."
scene ab369 with dssa
m "I just wish I had taken the risk of opening my own small Doctor's Office."

n "This might be the alcohol speaking... but [name] and I could go work somewhere part time."
d "(Fuck you Nami! Please, just be quiet.)"
scene ab371 with dssa
m "Well- we're struggling a little since [name] started his therapy."
d "I can sto-"
scene ab372 with vpunch
m "No!"
scene ab373 with dssa
n "[name] and I will find some work on the side, right?"

d "I see Nojiko working all day long to support us."
d "I can see it in her eyes how much she hates working at the hospital... The hours and the stress really get to her."
d "I wish i could fulfill her dream of having her own little doctor's office."
za "So... Nojiko."
za "You're a doctor, right?"
m "Yes."
scene ad506 with dssa
za "That's a very prestigious job."
ni "She is the best doctor I have ever seen."
scene ad507 with dssb
ni "The other doc blatantly said they might had to amputate my leg."
ni "And I'm so glad that she came in and told them to get lost."
So yeah not a nurse, or orderly, but a doctor.

The script continuously emphasises Noji is not rich. The game is not set in the USA, but in a weird Europe/USA hybrid. The car license issue shows more a European mindset to finance and rules, even if the college is very US styled. Doctors throughout the world do well, but only in the US do they make exceptional money. Doctors where I live (yes in a western country) have an average salary of 110k USD according to what I looked up. Median in Germany seems to be around 120k USD, but I'm no expert, this is just checking it out on google. Very few places in the world have such high rates for doctors as what you've described. Keep in mind she is not a specialist, even if she is in emergency. Opening her own little doctor's office implies she's more comfortable working as a GP than as a specialist.

Even though Noji is making decent money (above 100K USD should be able to make for decent living even in a fancy town like Wollust), she can't easily afford the therapy for Nika, and Nika is aware of how hard Noji works to make ends meet. We don't know why she struggles, but we also don't know her exact age, or how much Nika's hospital fees cost from the violent incident - it could be that her savings were wiped out with his hospital care from the collapsed lung. That would be the easiest way out in the narrative.
 

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From the steam page:


There was no choice of college, and that is a mystery, so that's an established fact from Ocean. If it was because it was the only college Noji could afford for them, there would be no mystery as to why Nika was going to ZPR, there would be no question for why. Ocean revealling there was no choice, implies there is something to be revealed. Also, Mila can afford ZPR, so that means it's not impossible to afford.
This interests me, in the game, are there clues to this or is this information only given externally by Ocean?
Without the outside information, can one come to these conclusions organically?
 
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