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Dessolos

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Bella/MC dialogues are really well done. You could feel Bella's feelings boiling over at MC's ignorance...
While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.
 

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While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.
You're right about this Bella's scene. So much emotions in such a short time. No text, her facial expressions told us everything. But... I still love more their interactions. The whole Bella's struggle to realize that she's in love with his is made really slow, more realistic. :love:
 

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While this is true what I think what really sells Bella at least to me imo is the cinematic / animated scenes. The one the ultimately won me over being a Bella simp and having her be tied for 1st place on my LI list was this one. The scene where she sniffs the MC's jacket starts to cry and drives back to the MC crying skipping the race. You can feel so much emotion in that cinematic and how much love she has for him. This one animation feels like Ocean is telling a sub story. Which is why I stand by the animations / cinematics are the best parts of the game when it comes to the character building and showing emotion.
That’s why Bella used to be my main girl, she and Nika have objectively the best chemistry out of everyone, Nami included. Nami and him are too different and she will always feel inferior compared to Summer.
Now I’m waiting for more Sasha, there’s already great chemistry beween Nika and her, but Bella and Nika will always be canonical.
 

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That’s why Bella used to be my main girl, she and Nika have objectively the best chemistry out of everyone, Nami included. Nami and him are too different and she will always feel inferior compared to Summer.
Now I’m waiting for more Sasha, there’s already great chemistry beween Nika and her, but Bella and Nika will always be canonical.
Agree. We have still very, very, very long way ahead of us. So, if anybody have to visit the bathroom, now is the time...
We'll wait...
Everybody else, start to eat healthy... And drop smoking, drinking or worse things... :LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:
 
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You're right about this Bella's scene. So much emotions in such a short time. No text, her facial expressions told us everything. But... I still love more their interactions. The whole Bella's struggle to realize that she's in love with his is made really slow, more realistic. :love:
Funny. Bella is manipulative to the highest degree and what you mistake for love is just Bella's manipulation to achieve her goal. Remember the haircut? Bella said it was for his comfort. In fact, Bella did not cut her hair for him, but for a girl who was once in love with this boy and now doesn’t remember him. Or at least Bella thinks so. Then it turns out Bella knows who Summer is and where she is? And it turns out that Summer is somewhere nearby and she constantly sees him?
 
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rudy007

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Funny. Bella is manipulative to the highest degree and what you mistake for love is just Bella's manipulation to achieve her goal. Remember the haircut? Bella said it was for his comfort. In fact, Bella did not cut her hair for him, but for a girl who was once in love with this boy and now doesn’t remember him. Or at least Bella thinks so. Then it turns out Bella knows who Summer is and where she is? And it turns out that Summer is somewhere nearby and she constantly sees him?
We'll see how it goes. But she's, after many of her struggles, now his... Manipulative? All girls have their own agenda... And face it, they are all at some degree manipulative... And his hair, well, Nojiko & Nami didn't like it... I didn't like it too, he looked like he had a bird nest on his head... He couldn't go to this fancy restoration with Bella, his hair were barely good enough for that fast food after...
 

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We'll see how it goes. But she's, after many of her struggles, now his... Manipulative? All girls have their own agenda... And face it, they are all at some degree manipulative... And his hair, well, Nojiko & Nami didn't like it... I didn't like it too, he looked like he had a bird nest on his head... He couldn't go to this fancy restoration with Bella, his hair were barely good enough for that fast food after...
You didn't understand what I wanted to say. I was not in love with Nika. She manipulates him for her own purposes. The hairstyle she gave him is the hairstyle he wore when he was in love with Summer. That's why I say that the hairstyle is not for him but for Summer, which means Bella knows who Summer is and where she is.
 

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You didn't understand what I wanted to say. I was not in love with Nika. She manipulates him for her own purposes. The hairstyle she gave him is the hairstyle he wore when he was in love with Summer. That's why I say that the hairstyle is not for him but for Summer, which means Bella knows who Summer is and where she is.
Agree, I didn't understand correctly, but if I remember she only drove him to Emilio, she didn't choose his hairstyle, she give Emilio free choice...
 

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Agree, I didn't understand correctly, but if I remember she only drove him to Emilio, she didn't choose his hairstyle, she give Emilio free choice...
No, it's a bit of comedy at Emilio's, Bella had already had something in mind:

d "This haircut-"
scene m467 with dissolve
b "It's similar to the one you had when you were younger... Just wilder."
d "Did we know each other?"
scene m468 with dissolve
b "No, I looked you up and found some older pictures Nami posted."
b "I didn't.. want to give you a totally fucked up hairstyle... and did go with something you might feel comfortable with."
 
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But with Vanessa it’s a completely different story; for her, sex is a tool to submit a man, a way to assert her dominance over a partner not only in bed, but also in life. The MC understands this very well, and Vanessa does not hide her motives at all. She makes it clear that she made Mario wear the buttplug to show him who's in charge. I doubt that Nika would agree to such kind of relationship.
In a canon story i think he would´t agree, but if Ocean give us the option...:rolleyes: Why not try it :LOL:. Nah, but you are right, i doubt that Nika could be submissive with Vanessa and dominate other gilrs, i mean, in the majority of the games if you choose to be a submissive guy then you can´t be agressive with other girls, i think it would be cool change his personality and kinks depending on wich girls he is, i think that is the real manipulative behaviour, adapt and survive :WeSmart:

Agree. We have still very, very, very long way ahead of us. So, if anybody have to visit the bathroom, now is the time...
We'll wait...
Everybody else, start to eat healthy... And drop smoking, drinking or worse things... :LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:
Maybe could be a good idea to build a spiritual retreat house and spend our lives there, all unite waiting for the final update.
 

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In a canon story i think he would´t agree, but if Ocean give us the option...:rolleyes: Why not try it :LOL:. Nah, but you are right, i doubt that Nika could be submissive with Vanessa and dominate other gilrs, i mean, in the majority of the games if you choose to be a submissive guy then you can´t be agressive with other girls, i think it would be cool change his personality and kinks depending on wich girls he is, i think that is the real manipulative behaviour, adapt and survive :WeSmart:


Maybe could be a good idea to build a spiritual retreat house and spend our lives there, all unite waiting for the final update.
That's a really good idea... I just hope people doesn't get it wrong and think that's a nicer name for a mental clinic...Or a weird sect
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Mortarion

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why steam first patreon later。
For high sales :unsure:
Forcing your Patreon members to buy the game on Steam when they're already paying for it is wild

That has nothing to do with high sales, well... maybe a little, but more with the fact that steam don't allow a dev to distribute a game that is on their platform on a other place for a cheaper price that it is on steam.
Hell, what abomination of a sentence...

Steam has always to be the cheapest place - how this works with season sales on other places in beyond me.

That was also the reason why Ocean has rearranged the access of the patreon tiers for the game to match it with the steam version.
 

Ottoeight

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Vanessa seems very dangerous, even as a friend and ally, due to her combination of high intelligence, manipulativeness and desire to push buttons and observe with popcorn. Especially her view on many things that from her height may be insignificant, but to others- fucked up. But on the other hand, she can become an incredibly valuable ally in Nami's story, especially on the romantic path. She may be the key to changing Nojiko's attitude towards incest.
I don't think Nojiko's attitude will ever be different from Patreon's and Steam's present attitude.

My humble guess is that Ocean has payed close attention to what happened to some infamous "landlady-tenant-roommate" games that have been banned out of the blue from Patreon lately.
 
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...to be honest, this side of her seems as much a part of her as her heterochromia. I don't think you'll be able to have a vanilla lewd scene with her. I also think Ocean will attempt to create unique experiences for each lewd scene, so that each LI path feels completely special, no interchangeable scenes.
I simply picture that scene starting with Nika, Vanessa, a blindfold, handcuffs, and a strap-on.

A blindfolded Nika grits his teeth and bears it, for the shake of his plot with Bella.

After what feels like an age, Nika's blindfold partially slips while he's on all fours and he catches a glimpse behind him. To his horror, Nika sees the heterochromia eyes of William while a smug Vanessa looks on from the corner of the room, strap-on in hand.

This is my way of sayin' I don't think I'll ever play a Vanessa route that requires any form of submission because I suspect that, deep down, Vanessa can only hate-fuck the opposite sex.
:LUL:

You both so exaggerate her tendency to literally dominate. Having power over her partner doesn't necessarily mean she will force him to wear a buttplug 24/7. Mario is weak, he gave her that opportunity and she used it. Just forget about him for a second and pay attention that she told Nami to use her body to her advantage. You might say that's her another manipulation, but that doesn't mean she doesn't believe what she said. She actually seems to be a very transparent person who expresses her real opinion and isn't afraid of a negative reaction. That's one of the things I like about her. I can't remember a single moment when there was any insincerity in her words. If there was, then point it out to me. Regardless, she literally applied her advice to Nami on Nika and failed. She tried to do it again in the scene with Mila, and if Nika was rude to her, she even looked very offended like "I'm teasing you and you don't appreciate it, wtf" :mad:

All I'm saying is that I can easily picture her being more submissive as long as she sees herself in charge. To the point where she gives Nika a blowjob and for her it's a subtle form of power that she has over him. I think instead of making her that ultra-dominatrix it would be more accurate to describe her as some kind of femme fatale. She fits that type very well.
 
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You both are so exaggerating her tendency to be a dominant. Having power over her partner doesn't necessarily mean she will force him to wear a buttplug 24/7. Mario is weak, he gave her that opportunity and she used it. Just forget about him for a second and pay attention that she told Nami to use her body to her advantage. You might say that's her another manipulation, but that doesn't mean she doesn't believe what she said. She actually seems to be a very transparent person who expresses her real opinion and isn't afraid of a negative reaction. That's one of the things I like about her. I can't remember a single moment when there was any insincerity in her words. If there was, then point it out to me. Regardless, she literally applied her advice to Nami on Nika and failed. She tried to do it again in the scene with Mila, and if Nika was rude to her, she even looked very offended like "I'm teasing you and you don't appreciate it, wtf" :mad:

All I'm saying is that I can easily picture her being more submissive as long as she sees herself in charge. To the point where she gives Nika a blowjob and for her it's a subtle form of power that she has over him. I think instead of making her that ultra-dominatrix it would be more accurate to describe her as some kind of femme fatale. She fits that type very well.
The point that her treatment of Mario raises is that she is cruel and capricious. Sure Mario is weak, but she exploits his weakness for her own amusement. While going out with Mario, she undresses in front of Nika to see if she can seduce him, so very capricious and not loyal. Mario is her toy because he is weak, and she views all men as the weaker sex. She simply hasn't someone like Nika who can reject her. Currently this makes Nika a curiosity and someone she can't ignore - but ignoring her charms, he threatens her view of the world.

We all see what we interpret, based on our preferences. As far as insincerity, she was insincere and completely opaque with Bella - she played a bimbo and lulled Bella into a sense of false security. Nika realises she's playing Bella, and by extension, she's toying with him, hence all the questions about who he's interested in (if you're ona path already). But she is deceitful, there is no other way to explain how she acted towards Bella, and she is untrustworthy, seeking to cheat on Mario before a quick game of tennis.
 

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We all see what we interpret, based on our preferences. As far as insincerity, she was insincere and completely opaque with Bella - she played a bimbo and lulled Bella into a sense of false security. Nika realises she's playing Bella, and by extension, she's toying with him, hence all the questions about who he's interested in (if you're ona path already). But she is deceitful, there is no other way to explain how she acted towards Bella, and she is untrustworthy, seeking to cheat on Mario before a quick game of tennis.
Aren't you forgetting that from Vanessa's perspective, Bella approached her, trying to pull her into Bella's intrigue and use her? She realized that fast and played a brainless bimbo to find out more about what Bella's game and goal are and how exactly is she trying to use her. Why the hell should she be honest or even friendly towards people who are trying to use her?

You are calling it deceitful, I call it smart and totally fair move against deceitful and manipulative people.

Bella was the deceitful one there, don't forget that simply because you like Bella.

The point that her treatment of Mario raises is that she is cruel and capricious. Sure Mario is weak, but she exploits his weakness for her own amusement. While going out with Mario, she undresses in front of Nika to see if she can seduce him, so very capricious and not loyal. Mario is her toy because he is weak, and she views all men as the weaker sex. She simply hasn't someone like Nika who can reject her. Currently this makes Nika a curiosity and someone she can't ignore - but ignoring her charms, he threatens her view of the world.
We don't really know what her goal is with the games with the Holgerssons. Maybe she is using Mario, maybe Mario wants to be used? I'm not judging before I have more information.

The way she tested Nika's reactions may also have something to do with the connection between Bella and Nika. Vanessa still doesn't know what Bella wants and why, so maybe she was trying to see how easy it would be to manipulate Nika and get that information from Nika instead of Bella.
She is smart and won't let Bella and Nika simply to use her for their Holgersson games. I like that about her.

And she has been fairly friendly (as of pre 4.5 beta that I haven't played) towards the people who tried to manipulate her.
 
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