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imzahai

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I’m too lazy to write you an answer, but you and I have already discussed this topic and I’ve already told you how Ayua could be Katie’s niece and who her mother is. If you want, look at the old comments.
yes i meant Miru. sorry about that i corrected it.

also note, Miru is an asian [Japanese] with Blue eyes, i think that would be rarer than i in 100000 if its actually possible.
Ayua has the same feature which would be possible only if the parent [a Male Zane] had blue eyes in their genome as well.
not needed for the story because plot armor and all that.
but Ocean did imply in the original version of Wiab that Miru's family had/was tracking her down. so William being william, got some... sure, i can go with that. it makes Katie the Aunt, Ayua isn't adopted, though that could be a family tradition, all the Blue eyed ones are ours; in a country that doesn't actually do that and ostracizes you for being different... yup let's go with that.
or the simple, she Is a Zane by birth. it fits, it works.

as long as it doesn't turn out like intertwined where i am afraid MC is banging is sisters and doesn't know it.
 

Adhdclassic

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yes i meant Miru. sorry about that i corrected it.

also note, Miru is an asian [Japanese] with Blue eyes, i think that would be rarer than i in 100000 if its actually possible.
Ayua has the same feature which would be possible only if the parent [a Male Zane] had blue eyes in their genome as well.
not needed for the story because plot armor and all that.
but Ocean did imply in the original version of Wiab that Miru's family had/was tracking her down. so William being william, got some... sure, i can go with that. it makes Katie the Aunt, Ayua isn't adopted, though that could be a family tradition, all the Blue eyed ones are ours; in a country that doesn't actually do that and ostracizes you for being different... yup let's go with that.
or the simple, she Is a Zane by birth. it fits, it works.

as long as it doesn't turn out like intertwined where i am afraid MC is banging is sisters and doesn't know it.
Ayua is definitely Miru daughter. The bar scene she explains her martial arts and says she also studies her family style the same answer Miru tells Scarlett at the breakfast table in WIAB.
 
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Ayua is a Zane, leaving Willi or Leia being a parent (thus making Katie an auntie).

Ayua learnt her families' secret fighting style, which, by the brief descriptions given, is IDENTICAL to Miru's families' secret fighting style. Miru has stated that the secret can only be passed down through her family.

The only realistic scenario where Willi and Miru are not Ayua's parents is Miru having a brother or sister or cousin introduced later in WIAB (one that produces offspring with a Zane). Considering no such characters have surfaced in WIAB, your statement, "In reality this is not the case," is rather definitive for a theory unencumbered by the burden of evidence.
Your so-called evidence simply falls apart upon closer inspection.
Ayua may be Zane not only by birth but also by adoption. In this case, she can also call Katie aunt.
I don’t understand why you insist on saying that Ayua practiced her family’s fighting style identical to that of Miru’s family. I'm curious how you determined this, was it mentioned in the game? Ayua practices his mother's martial arts. But Leia bluntly tells Willie that she had to learn to fight and had twenty years to hone her skills. So this does not prove in any way that Ayua practiced martial arts with Miru.
So whose theories are not burdened with evidence?
 

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I’m too lazy to write you an answer, but you and I have already discussed this topic and I’ve already told you how Ayua could be Katie’s niece and who her mother is. If you want, look at the old comments.
Ah, but you didn't offer any example, only your opinion, with no mention of the clues that show it.

Ocean blew out some smoke. This game has a double bottom. If you look at it from a different angle, many questions will disappear. And everything will fall into place. You will understand who Sasha is and who Summer is, you will understand who Vanessa is. You will understand what is happening with Bella and what women do in a boring book club.
From this post on, barely used any examples from the games to back up what you're saying. The only connections you make are hair colour, or clothing/model similarities. So far you think:

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All this time, you have not provided any link to the script for any of this, you've not explained how you arrived at these assumptions. I don't dismiss it out of hand, but you need a more compelling basis than Sasha and Katie wore the same DAZ model of gymwear, when other characters have the same model.

I can understand that you're working on the connection of the earring between Nami and Sasha, which I agree, there is something there. But how do you get Monica from this, how do you get Nika is a twin? You haven't explained any of your thoughts with examples, this is why people find it hard to understand your point of view.

I'm writing this because if you're too lazy, I want you to know that I went and read all your comments again ...and I still can't find any basis for 90% of what you've written. It's hard to talk about these things if I don't know why you think this list.

I do 100% agree that Vanessa is evil, and there is an important mystery with the earrings that links Sasha and Nami, but the rest I need to understand where you found the information.
 
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Responding together as you both make the same point. I'm not a Bella fan. Bella being deceptive does not make Vanessa's deception any less deceptive. Vanessa could have been honest and still called Bella out, Vanessa could have just not engaged with Bella, there are so many options to not be deceptive. Vanessa leads Bella on because she love mind games. It's not about tit for tat, responding to fire with fire or anything. Ethics is an independant status that we should hold to regardless of anyone else's two-faced antics. All Vanessa's behaviour towards Bella shows is that she like to play deceitful, manipulative games, which is 100% her character throughout the game. At the point that Vanessa meets Bella, how does she know why? We know why, but Vanessa defaults to ...something because she thinks Bella's someone she can leverage, without even knowing (at that point) why Bella's approaching her. If she does know, is she storing the information for future blackmail/leverage? She is not being transparent or sincere in her first interaction with Bella, regardless of Bella's intentions.

Similarly, there is no ethical way to justify how she exploits Mario's affection for her own purposes. She is blueballing him into wearing a buttplug, doesn't matter that she justifies it to herslef by also wearing one. She is manipulating him into doing something he would unlikely choose for himself by withholding sex, implying that if he submits to her antics, he'll get a reward. She's grooming him for her own amusement, while looking down on him. Is that the basis for a healthy, loving relationship? Sure, hold off sex if you're inclinded to treat it as something special, but leveraging it like that, knowing he would be ashamed if it got out (while telling people she's just met, please let it get out she thinks) while dangling a carrot of a reward - she actually cheapens their relationship. Sex becomes transactional, and a reward for how much he endures. And the first moment she meets Nika, she's attempting to seduce him and cheat on weak, faithful Mario, further abusing him. So she dumps Mario to be sincere? Or does she continue being manipulative and deceitful?

Even throwing out the knowledge of Mario's buttplug is a double game. She can test Nika and Nami's integrity to find out what kind of people they are - if rumours spread about Mario, she knows from where. She's a pretty stand up girlfriend :rolleyes: Nika would be wise to notice how she treates Mario as being her default mode of behaviour.

The fact that she is friendly is another misdirection. She knows Noji is important to Nick, so she is the dutiful host. Don't forget that she knows about Bella and Nika, but says "I don't think we share the same social circles" when Nika says he thinks he's seen her before. More misdirection. She triggers Zara to be more competitive towards Nika, then actively bets (the driver's license) against her while knowing what their mom did to Zara, belittling her own sister for the sake of a stranger she's just met - playing games with her sister's mental health.

She applies social darwinism to ther ethics, and that ubermensch mentality is something I despise. Weak people shouldn't be exploited even if we don't like them - or should Vic be exploited like Mario too? Or Damian? How does Nika respond as someone with crippled emotions? He supports Damian to further his own goals (well, baskets), and he has many choices to be kind to Vic, and it seems cruel to me not to take the chance to be supportive.

On the social darwinism, her "I'll never need to work, I'll see where life takes me" attitude also shows she's really entitled, and she's into Mario as a gold digger. Zara still has goals, Vanessa plans to float through life amusing herself at other's expense. If she doesn't go for Mario, does she just sponge of daddy Nick? Her plan for her future is to manipulate people so she can be indolent in her lifestyle.

Nika also doesn't judge Vanessa by what Bella's seen, which is why he calls her to call off interacting with Vanessa, because he realises how manipulative Vanessa is. But I still love this to describe her:

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I am literally am too old for that kind of gag, even if I was born yesterday apparently....
I’m just gonna say, you’re too good for this world…
And I still like her :HideThePain:
 

BobTheDuck

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I’m just gonna say, you’re too good for this world…
And I still like her :HideThePain:
Oh, personal taste is a whole other thing that doesn't come into this side of things, people like what they like, no problem there :) I'm also glad she's in the story regardless of what I think of her actions; she makes a good complicated antagonist, and that means her story arc will be a more challenging one. As much as her character rubs me the wrong way, games should have confronting characters, or we just play in an echo chamber.
 

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Your so-called evidence simply falls apart upon closer inspection.
Ayua may be Zane not only by birth but also by adoption. In this case, she can also call Katie aunt.
I don’t understand why you insist on saying that Ayua practiced her family’s fighting style identical to that of Miru’s family. I'm curious how you determined this, was it mentioned in the game? Ayua practices his mother's martial arts. But Leia bluntly tells Willie that she had to learn to fight and had twenty years to hone her skills. So this does not prove in any way that Ayua practiced martial arts with Miru.
So whose theories are not burdened with evidence?

Firstly, kindly explain the relevance/context of this comment: "But Leia bluntly tells Willie that she had to learn to fight and had twenty years to hone her skills."

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I try to work on the K.I.S.S. principle. I doubt every Asian in WIAB/SG is gonna master BJJ and have their own family fighting styles/techniques.

Is the above conclusive evidence? Certainly not! But it is evidence nevertheless, and is open to interpretation.

It's also worth pointing out that Miru (a) mentioned her "family's fighting style" to Kat, NOT Leia, and, (b) Miru NEVER said or promised to specifically teach Leia her "family's fighting style," just her techniques (which could mean BJJ).

A drunk Ayua told Nika she could show him "a little" of her family's "own fighting techniques," while stating with her next breath that he'd "never get to experience it" unless he married into the family.

PS - I've mused before that Ayua could be adopted. However, I think that's a stretch.
 

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There are 32 chapters in total. And these are full chapters. He usually releases half-chapter updates, so you can safely multiply your estimate by two.
wiab ended before it started since it got banned on patreon so I would probably lower these expectations a bit
 
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yossa999

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wiab ended before it started since it got banned on patreon so I would probably lower these expectations a bit
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You don't need to worry about WiAB. It's still in development, and that won't change... No matter what happens... or has happened.
WiAB will go on Steam & GOG with the next update. (One update earlier than expected.)
Have a little faith.
 

Den1mo

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Have a little faith.
I have faith in him to finish it but I don't have faith in patreon. since the beginning of the new year many devs have been banned as if they didn't even want any devs to be there at all. it's true that many probably deserved it but I don't see that reason with wiab too
 

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I have faith in him to finish it but I don't have faith in patreon. since the beginning of the new year many devs have been banned as if they didn't even want any devs to be there at all. it's true that many probably deserved it but I don't see that reason with wiab too
Is there a known reason why these developers were banned?
 
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