Vanessa is never gonna change her beliefs nor Nika is gonna try to “fix” her cause he genuinely doesn’t care… if he gets her it’s cause he’s managed to impress her with his smarts.
What I think Vanessa is gonna do during sex is dominate him in the mental sphere while Nika dominates her physically.
You’re a standup guy with good morals but you’re too rigid with your judgments… Vanessa sees Mario as weak and stupid, she’s a bit sadistic and he’s her plaything, so what? It’s no big deal in the great scheme of things and he’s fine with being humiliated.
And yeah, she lies and schemes but it’s just a form and self-preservation to me. It’s ok to cross moral lines for your own good and the good of your people imho.
She’s gonna like Noji much better once she trusts her.
My point was not that 'she is sadistic, that's bad', but 'she has a tendency to sadism, so I would be careful around her'. Noticing how people treat others that they perceive as less important is a good way to see how they will treat you when you lose importance to them. If someone treats people differently if they think there's no consequences, then what they're really saying is they only behave if you can respond with consequences that affect them. This isn't a focus on morals, but understanding how people are behaving. If she treats her conquest with disdain, then I have to avoid becoming a conquest etc.
I do think it's bad to mistreat people, but it's also a game, and that's part of the story. Understanding the characters tendencies can help me make better chocies once their paths are available.
Edit: Also, sorry for the circular sentences, I'm on 2 hours sleep today
Why should Nika lose importance to her? I don’t see that happening as long as he brings value to the relationship, just like any relationship really. (This reminds me of a discussion I had with Maviarab on the Our Red String thread, except we were talking about a more fickle, unpredictable character who doesn’t seem very invested)
She wouldn’t see him as a conquest anyway but as an equal, that’s exactly how their relationship started, with her expectations of men being subverted.
So the sadistic tendencies which arose in her due to Mario might not surface at all with Nika or at lest they won’t be as malicious.
Well, people lose importance to other people all the time even when they try to bring value to relationships, so there are no guarantees. Ocean could also have a certain plot for her story just like Mila's story, Nia's story and Bella's story all have their own unique dramas. Currently we don't knowif there is one, but pretty much every LI in SG has some form of trauma they need to overcome, some more obvious than others. I suspect Ocean will use that trauma to create rifts between a LI and Nika, for the player to decide whether they'll go through to reach the other side.
Regards Mario, he's a comic book antagonist currently, but as Nami said to Nika "Where's the harm?!" It's all about reciprocation. Even if I play Nika as an existentialist/nihilist, there is always someone more powerful who can seize their goals at my expense. It's almost guaranteed in this game that Nika will have to humble himself to get through some situations, we've already seen that. Keeping our head high has meaning even if it's just to stop ourselves from swallowing the salty water Who knows whether there might be some plot twists regards Mario, considering who his dad is in WiaB?
Regards Vanessa seeing Nika as an equal, we really have no idea of her motivations on any level but the superficial, what she wants us to see. She's currently observing, throwing out small bits of contention, just to test and see what kind of person Nika is. Personally when I've been baited to disclosure, I try to be non-commital. If someone is fishing, trying to get me to take the bait, I prefer to know why before engaging in their mindgames.
What we do know is that she has a romance path, so there is the chance for a happy outcome in pursuing her. But I also think Ocean's happy outcomes might all be bittersweet in some fashion.
Other than Vic of course, because she is an angel ...mainly saying that for Maviarab incase he unleashes the power of the schwartz coffee
One could argue that the way Helen behaved around MC in the latest chapter of WIAB has already crossed all kinds of accepted boundary. A "mother figure" being purposely seductive around a "son" and the game asking the player whether the MC finds "mom" attractive is well past the normal boundary of a normal mother-son dynamics.
I did a multicombo reply targeting all the combined things, but in your case I was more explaining where I personally find her to be insincere and where I believe she lacks transparency with my examples. I'm sure she also believes the ends justify the means, while I don't. She might have personal integrity which aligns her actions to her beliefs, but transparency is a perspective that can only be judged objectively - so whether or no she aligns herself to her beliefs, she shows remarkable callousness towards Mario. By extrapolation, if Nika loses her interest, how do you think she will treat him? Currently he is a curiousity, but that won't always be true.
Most of the jacuzzi scene is her digging for info - maybe insurance in case she feels Nick is being taken advantage of by Noji? What better way to manipulate people than by making them complicit in something they find shameful? In essence that is what she is doing with Mario - the fact that she wants it kept secret (nudge nudge wink wink Mr 'Stranger-I-don't-know', oh please don't spread rumours Mr 'I-Have-A-Plan-To-Destroy-Mario') because it would humiliate him means he does find what she wants of him shameful.
And I can't ignore how she treats Mario. The first thing we know is she's Mario's girlfriend, and she undermines him, giving his secrets to strangers. At best, that makes her a loose lipped gossip.
Her frustration when Zara stops her attempted seduction shows a facet of her true nature that she'd probably rather hide.
Look, no kidding. When the final version comes out, write a detailed review of the season with a breakdown of every major character under a separate spoiler. I'd like to read that, seriously. I'm actually planning on writing something like that myself.
Vanessa is never gonna change her beliefs nor Nika is gonna try to “fix” her cause he genuinely doesn’t care… if he gets her it’s cause he’s managed to impress her with his smarts.
It's too early to say that. Give them time. Nika doesn't care simply because they just met and she's the only LI who gives him a mixed/negative impression. Except for Bella, but her case didn't last long. I sure Vanessa will be more heavy in that regard.
Ocean said it and it's been repeated here many times that this is a story about healing. Not only the MC, but also the characters that surround him. Who said this doesn't apply to Vanessa? Her problems are on the surface. My hope is that in her case it will be done more subtly or at least more creatively so as not to ruin her.
Nika also is willing to bide his time and endure to reach goals, as shown with Zara and Nadia in the locker room, even if that case is more an exercise in stoicism.
Look, no kidding. When the final version comes out, write a detailed review of the season with a breakdown of every major character under a separate spoiler. I'd like to read that, seriously. I'm actually planning on writing something like that myself.
It's too early to say that. Give them time. Nika doesn't care simply because they just met and she's the only LI who gives him a mixed/negative impression. Except for Bella, but her case didn't last long. I sure Vanessa will be more heavy in that regard.
Ocean said it and it's been repeated here many times that this is a story about healing. Not only the MC, but also the characters that surround him. Who said this doesn't apply to Vanessa? Her problems are on the surface. My hope is that in her case it will be done more subtly or at least more creatively so as not to ruin her.
They handcuffed him, there was nothing he could do except humiliate them by refusing to undress on his own.
The handcuffing thing, well, even if he had no choice, he showed his strength by refusing to beg or be cowed by their antics. He accepted it stoically, saw the sense of justice in it. I'm sure they way he reacted probably poisoned their satisfaction with their revenge as well. And then he gets half a banana.
Eva=Beanpole. Her model is pretty obvious fanservice to a femdom game that's been abandoned, that Ocean apparently was a fan of.
I'll try to do reviews, that's great idea. But I'm suspicious I work better in the dialogue/conversation format when we can bounce ideas around
Well, people lose importance to other people all the time even when they try to bring value to relationships, so there are no guarantees. Ocean could also have a certain plot for her story just like Mila's story, Nia's story and Bella's story all have their own unique dramas. Currently we don't knowif there is one, but pretty much every LI in SG has some form of trauma they need to overcome, some more obvious than others. I suspect Ocean will use that trauma to create rifts between a LI and Nika, for the player to decide whether they'll go through to reach the other side.
Regards Mario, he's a comic book antagonist currently, but as Nami said to Nika "Where's the harm?!" It's all about reciprocation. Even if I play Nika as an existentialist/nihilist, there is always someone more powerful who can seize their goals at my expense. It's almost guaranteed in this game that Nika will have to humble himself to get through some situations, we've already seen that. Keeping our head high has meaning even if it's just to stop ourselves from swallowing the salty water Who knows whether there might be some plot twists regards Mario, considering who his dad is in WiaB?
Regards Vanessa seeing Nika as an equal, we really have no idea of her motivations on any level but the superficial, what she wants us to see. She's currently observing, throwing out small bits of contention, just to test and see what kind of person Nika is. Personally when I've been baited to disclosure, I try to be non-commital. If someone is fishing, trying to get me to take the bait, I prefer to know why before engaging in their mindgames.
What we do know is that she has a romance path, so there is the chance for a happy outcome in pursuing her. But I also think Ocean's happy outcomes might all be bittersweet in some fashion.
Other than Vic of course, because she is an angel ...mainly saying that for Maviarab incase he unleashes the power of the schwartz coffee
Might be… it’s cool that you try to delve into many variables while I keep things general with a focus on one clear outcome, it’s two different ways of approaching the matter and they’re both valuable. Unfortunately we don’t have answers yet
Look, no kidding. When the final version comes out, write a detailed review of the season with a breakdown of every major character under a separate spoiler. I'd like to read that, seriously. I'm actually planning on writing something like that myself.
It's too early to say that. Give them time. Nika doesn't care simply because they just met and she's the only LI who gives him a mixed/negative impression. Except for Bella, but her case didn't last long. I sure Vanessa will be more heavy in that regard.
Ocean said it and it's been repeated here many times that this is a story about healing. Not only the MC, but also the characters that surround him. Who said this doesn't apply to Vanessa? Her problems are on the surface. My hope is that in her case it will be done more subtly or at least more creatively so as not to ruin her.
They handcuffed him, there was nothing he could do except humiliate them by refusing to undress on his own.
You’re right… I wouldn’t care much about it if I did a Vanessa run but I guess she’d be a healthier person that way. The thing is, the weakness of men which is apparent to her will still be present everywhere she goes, she’ll need to switch completely her perspective and be… let’s say more lenient
BobTheDuck, I think you're reading too much into things with Vanessa sometimes.
It's clear that she's a manipulative asshole that likes to play with people. This is precisely her connection with Nika, they're both quite similar in that aspect, though one can argue that Vanessa is meaner.
But regarding the scenes you've been commenting... you're wrong with the jacuzzi scene. It's not Vanessa the one that brings up Mario into the conversation, it's Zara. And she does it twice; first saying that she doesn't have sex with him and then mentioning the plug thing. And Vanessa doesn't appreciate the latter at all.
What she does with Nami in that scene though it's a clear example of Vanessa's attitude, but more that digging for info with an ulterior motive, I think it's just she amusing herself playing with marionettes.
Her bedroom scene with Nika, there's no way that she would've have cheated on Mario if Zara wouldn't have appeared. At that point of the story she still doesn't respect Nika, and doing that she would be lowering herself according to her mentality. She's just playing the serpent and trying to make a fool of Nika to check how far he's willing to go and how much control she has on him.
And finally her meeting with Bella. This a different scenario. Contrary to the two previous examples I've commented, I don't think we should judge Vanessa's behaviour as deceptive here. It's the opposite, because she's the victim of a deception. Her answer to that it's playing along after figuring Bella out and thinking "OK, WTF is going on here and what are this idiot's intentions?". I see this one more like survival instinct than Vanessa being deceptive/mean/evil.
BobTheDuck, I think you're reading too much into things with Vanessa sometimes.
It's clear that she's a manipulative asshole that likes to play with people. This is precisely her connection with Nika, they're both quite similar in that aspect, though one can argue that Vanessa is meaner.
But regarding the scenes you've been commenting... you're wrong with the jacuzzi scene. It's not Vanessa the one that brings up Mario into the conversation, it's Zara. And she does it twice; first saying that she doesn't have sex with him and then mentioning the plug thing. And Vanessa doesn't appreciate the latter at all.
What she does with Nami in that scene though it's a clear example of Vanessa's attitude, but more that digging for info with an ulterior motive, I think it's just she amusing herself playing with marionettes.
Her bedroom scene with Nika, there's no way that she would've have cheated on Mario if Zara wouldn't have appeared. At that point of the story she still doesn't respect Nika, and doing that she would be lowering herself according to her mentality. She's just playing the serpent and trying to make a fool of Nika to check how far he's willing to go and how much control she has on him.
And finally her meeting with Bella. This a different scenario. Contrary to the two previous examples I've commented, I don't think we should judge Vanessa's behaviour as deceptive here. It's the opposite, because she's the victim of a deception. Her answer to that it's playing along after figuring Bella out and thinking "OK, WTF is going on here and what are this idiot's intentions?". I see this one more like survival instinct than Vanessa being deceptive/mean/evil.
If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.
How to say I'm not dominant by being dominant and in control.
Okay, so SHe didn't reveal about Mario, but she's going out of her way to make life uncomfortable for Nika and Zara, and it is at Nick's expense. Zara behaves; even if she resents Nika for the game, she knows she's there to support her dad.
ni "You two seem to have a nice relationship."
The look Vanessa gives Noji when Nick says this about Nami and Nika sets her wondering, the focus on her is Ocean drawing our attention that Vanessa is paying attention. I'd say some of what she's doing in the jacuzzi, is the further enflame things - provoke, merely to witness the reaction, take the information and use it later.
At best Vanessa treats everyone as if they're just pieces to play with. Zara's acting far more mature than Vanessa overall in this situation. Last observation; the anger with which Vanessa says:
va "Maybe [name] was about to put the moves on me- or maybe he wasn't."
scene ad735 with vpunch
va "We'll never find out, thanks to you."
I simply don't get how anyone can defend this, even if she's trying to see how far Nika might go, she's still enticing him, still in essence provoking him. A woman acting that much like a cock tease I would have no respect for. Who else does she do this with while having a boyfriend? Her intention is also no innocence, considering her sudden reaction to Zara breaking the moment.
But I'll shut up about it now, she's not completely evil, only 90% now, I only lost the buttplug theory, the rest of her is still a snake
Yeah ,and she has a face of a girl who deserve to be punished very hard. I loved her character in that other game but she has one of those faces that makes you want to punish.
I think this is another test of the social chameleon skills of the MC. But if the answer to the previous similar test was due to the plot, I mean when MC allowed Nadia and Zara to take revenge for the sake of improving relations with them.
But in the case of Beanpole, the decision is up to the player. Be the usual asshole Nika to her and get ready that in your relationship with Bella not only the limpy wormy will be a cockblock.
I think this is another test of the social chameleon skills of the MC. But if the answer to the previous similar test was due to the plot, I mean when MC allowed Nadia and Zara to take revenge for the sake of improving relations with them.
But in the case of Beanpole, the decision is up to the player. Be the usual asshole Nika to her and get ready that in your relationship with Bella not only the limpy wormy will be a cockblock.
Whatever, she’s bothersome even if you’re nice to her up until now which means I’ll retaliate… I don’t think Bella cares too much either way even though she mentioned to go easy on her, Beanpole will have to seriously recheck her attitude if she wants kindness. At the end of the day I’m a Sasha main, so she can fuck off
You can make sketches based on the replies and then rework them into complete material. I should do it too, sometimes I leave thoughts in my memory and they get lost there as usual.
If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.
How to say I'm not dominant by being dominant and in control.
Okay, so SHe didn't reveal about Mario, but she's going out of her way to make life uncomfortable for Nika and Zara, and it is at Nick's expense. Zara behaves; even if she resents Nika for the game, she knows she's there to support her dad.
ni "You two seem to have a nice relationship."
The look Vanessa gives Noji when Nick says this about Nami and Nika sets her wondering, the focus on her is Ocean drawing our attention that Vanessa is paying attention. I'd say some of what she's doing in the jacuzzi, is the further enflame things - provoke, merely to witness the reaction, take the information and use it later.
At best Vanessa treats everyone as if they're just pieces to play with. Zara's acting far more mature than Vanessa overall in this situation. Last observation; the anger with which Vanessa says:
va "Maybe [name] was about to put the moves on me- or maybe he wasn't."
scene ad735 with vpunch
va "We'll never find out, thanks to you."
I simply don't get how anyone can defend this, even if she's trying to see how far Nika might go, she's still enticing him, still in essence provoking him. A woman acting that much like a cock tease I would have no respect for. Who else does she do this with while having a boyfriend? Her intention is also no innocence, considering her sudden reaction to Zara breaking the moment.
But I'll shut up about it now, she's not completely evil, only 90% now, I only lost the buttplug theory, the rest of her is still a snake
I couldn't do that I tried but felt too mean , to do to poor Nadia or what I like to call her banana girl . Since it seems she gets emotional when it comes to banana's I felt there is a reason she takes banana's so seriously. It felt like taking candy away from a little kid , couldn't do it , I had to reload and only take take 1/2.
I couldn't do that I tried but felt too mean , to do to poor Nadia or what I like to call her banana girl . Since it seems she gets emotional when it comes to banana's I felt there is a reason she takes banana's so seriously. It felt like taking candy away from a little kid , couldn't do it , I had to reload and only take take 1/2.
She should definitely schedule an appointment with Amber, it’s kinda embarrassing that she has to carry around on a banana to feel secure, if not funny and endearing we’ll definitely find out
