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I’m just gonna say, you’re too good for this world…Responding together as you both make the same point. I'm not a Bella fan. Bella being deceptive does not make Vanessa's deception any less deceptive. Vanessa could have been honest and still called Bella out, Vanessa could have just not engaged with Bella, there are so many options to not be deceptive. Vanessa leads Bella on because she love mind games. It's not about tit for tat, responding to fire with fire or anything. Ethics is an independant status that we should hold to regardless of anyone else's two-faced antics. All Vanessa's behaviour towards Bella shows is that she like to play deceitful, manipulative games, which is 100% her character throughout the game. At the point that Vanessa meets Bella, how does she know why? We know why, but Vanessa defaults to ...something because she thinks Bella's someone she can leverage, without even knowing (at that point) why Bella's approaching her. If she does know, is she storing the information for future blackmail/leverage? She is not being transparent or sincere in her first interaction with Bella, regardless of Bella's intentions.
Similarly, there is no ethical way to justify how she exploits Mario's affection for her own purposes. She is blueballing him into wearing a buttplug, doesn't matter that she justifies it to herslef by also wearing one. She is manipulating him into doing something he would unlikely choose for himself by withholding sex, implying that if he submits to her antics, he'll get a reward. She's grooming him for her own amusement, while looking down on him. Is that the basis for a healthy, loving relationship? Sure, hold off sex if you're inclinded to treat it as something special, but leveraging it like that, knowing he would be ashamed if it got out (while telling people she's just met, please let it get out she thinks) while dangling a carrot of a reward - she actually cheapens their relationship. Sex becomes transactional, and a reward for how much he endures. And the first moment she meets Nika, she's attempting to seduce him and cheat on weak, faithful Mario, further abusing him. So she dumps Mario to be sincere? Or does she continue being manipulative and deceitful?
Even throwing out the knowledge of Mario's buttplug is a double game. She can test Nika and Nami's integrity to find out what kind of people they are - if rumours spread about Mario, she knows from where. She's a pretty stand up girlfriendNika would be wise to notice how she treates Mario as being her default mode of behaviour.
The fact that she is friendly is another misdirection. She knows Noji is important to Nick, so she is the dutiful host. Don't forget that she knows about Bella and Nika, but says "I don't think we share the same social circles" when Nika says he thinks he's seen her before. More misdirection. She triggers Zara to be more competitive towards Nika, then actively bets (the driver's license) against her while knowing what their mom did to Zara, belittling her own sister for the sake of a stranger she's just met - playing games with her sister's mental health.
She applies social darwinism to ther ethics, and that ubermensch mentality is something I despise. Weak people shouldn't be exploited even if we don't like them - or should Vic be exploited like Mario too? Or Damian? How does Nika respond as someone with crippled emotions? He supports Damian to further his own goals (well, baskets), and he has many choices to be kind to Vic, and it seems cruel to me not to take the chance to be supportive.
On the social darwinism, her "I'll never need to work, I'll see where life takes me" attitude also shows she's really entitled, and she's into Mario as a gold digger. Zara still has goals, Vanessa plans to float through life amusing herself at other's expense. If she doesn't go for Mario, does she just sponge of daddy Nick? Her plan for her future is to manipulate people so she can be indolent in her lifestyle.
Nika also doesn't judge Vanessa by what Bella's seen, which is why he calls her to call off interacting with Vanessa, because he realises how manipulative Vanessa is. But I still love this to describe her:
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I am literally am too old for that kind of gag, even if I was born yesterday apparently....
And I still like her
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Oh, personal taste is a whole other thing that doesn't come into this side of things, people like what they like, no problem thereI’m just gonna say, you’re too good for this world…
And I still like her
I'm also glad she's in the story regardless of what I think of her actions; she makes a good complicated antagonist, and that means her story arc will be a more challenging one. As much as her character rubs me the wrong way, games should have confronting characters, or we just play in an echo chamber.Firstly, kindly explain the relevance/context of this comment: "But Leia bluntly tells Willie that she had to learn to fight and had twenty years to hone her skills."
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I try to work on the K.I.S.S. principle. I doubt every Asian in WIAB/SG is gonna master BJJ and have their own family fighting styles/techniques.
Is the above conclusive evidence? Certainly not! But it is evidence nevertheless, and is open to interpretation.
It's also worth pointing out that Miru (a) mentioned her "family's fighting style" to Kat, NOT Leia, and, (b) Miru NEVER said or promised to specifically teach Leia her "family's fighting style," just her techniques (which could mean BJJ).
A drunk Ayua told Nika she could show him "a little" of her family's "own fighting techniques," while stating with her next breath that he'd "never get to experience it" unless he married into the family.
PS - I've mused before that Ayua could be adopted. However, I think that's a stretch.
Sweet Mother of Mary! That's some prime SGAnon shit right there. I think my eyes hurt!
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wiab ended before it started since it got banned on patreon so I would probably lower these expectations a bit
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Any hope on this game being published before this site is Patreon also? because read only means no more free downloads....
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It's an April's fools' Joke, amigo
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I have faith in him to finish it but I don't have faith in patreon. since the beginning of the new year many devs have been banned as if they didn't even want any devs to be there at all. it's true that many probably deserved it but I don't see that reason with wiab too
Just a hunch, but WIAB's Patreon page is gone probably due to the pretty blatantly obvious i-word in the story.
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they create stuff that is not allowed on patreon. incest, rape, loli. but probably as for wiab the reasons are not fully known since the game has none of that
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The game depicts drugs, maybe that's why? Although they are shown in movies too.
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I also thought about the possibility that Ocean had 2 pages on Patreon. Although I don't know exactly the rules about this.
i replayed summers gone and call me crazy or is each and every women in this game has a fantastic ass.?
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that's true and it also has many scenes with characters under the influence of alcohol during sex scenes which is also currently prohibited under the new tosBaDik also has content on drug use