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Dessolos

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My Nika got the whole banana. :devilish:
I couldn't do that I tried but felt too mean , to do to poor Nadia or what I like to call her banana girl . Since it seems she gets emotional when it comes to banana's I felt there is a reason she takes banana's so seriously. It felt like taking candy away from a little kid , couldn't do it , I had to reload and only take take 1/2.
 

rudy007

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I couldn't do that I tried but felt too mean , to do to poor Nadia or what I like to call her banana girl . Since it seems she gets emotional when it comes to banana's I felt there is a reason she takes banana's so seriously. It felt like taking candy away from a little kid , couldn't do it , I had to reload and only take take 1/2.
Yeah, she looked so vulnerable when MC took her banana...
 

mostwanted8

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She should definitely schedule an appointment with Amber, it’s kinda embarrassing that she has to carry around on a banana to feel secure, if not funny and endearing :LOL: we’ll definitely find out
 

PickerLewd

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I wonder how angry Nami will be when she finds out that Nika wants to participate in illegal races with Bella. Uhhhhhh:oops:
Really? I can't remember, but I admit I only played chapter 5 once :HideThePain:. All I remember is that Nika doesn't know how to drive and is just learning when he's ambushed by the corrupt policewoman.
 

Dessolos

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Really? I can't remember, but I admit I only played chapter 5 once :HideThePain:. All I remember is that Nika doesn't know how to drive and is just learning when he's ambushed by the corrupt policewoman.
I think it's more Nika wants to be there when she goes to race, to support Bella and probably watch out for her but not actually race cause like you said he doesnt know how to drive yet.
 

mostwanted8

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I think it's more Nika wants to be there when she goes to race, to support Bella and probably watch out for her but not actually race cause like you said he doesnt know how to drive yet.
It would be cool if Bella taught Nika how to drive and race. Ayua could teach him some tricks too. Remember that thug who does illegal racing who challenged us in front of Bella? I wouldn’t mind to make him eat our dust in a one on one race. That would actually make sense.
 
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gyshia915

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You're right, I misremembered who revealed the butt plug. My apologies to Vanessa for that.

Regards the rest, it can be read either way, but Vanessa specifically starts off antagonistic to Nika:

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If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.

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Nick isn't impressed by Vanessa's antics, and knows Vanessa is trying to start something.

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How to say I'm not dominant by being dominant and in control.

Okay, so SHe didn't reveal about Mario, but she's going out of her way to make life uncomfortable for Nika and Zara, and it is at Nick's expense. Zara behaves; even if she resents Nika for the game, she knows she's there to support her dad.

ni "You two seem to have a nice relationship."

The look Vanessa gives Noji when Nick says this about Nami and Nika sets her wondering, the focus on her is Ocean drawing our attention that Vanessa is paying attention. I'd say some of what she's doing in the jacuzzi, is the further enflame things - provoke, merely to witness the reaction, take the information and use it later.

At best Vanessa treats everyone as if they're just pieces to play with. Zara's acting far more mature than Vanessa overall in this situation. Last observation; the anger with which Vanessa says:

va "Maybe [name] was about to put the moves on me- or maybe he wasn't."
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va "We'll never find out, thanks to you."

I simply don't get how anyone can defend this, even if she's trying to see how far Nika might go, she's still enticing him, still in essence provoking him. A woman acting that much like a cock tease I would have no respect for. Who else does she do this with while having a boyfriend? Her intention is also no innocence, considering her sudden reaction to Zara breaking the moment.

But I'll shut up about it now, she's not completely evil, only 90% now, I only lost the buttplug theory, the rest of her is still a snake :sneaky:

Please don't shut up. I like to read the theories of all of you, and you bring a lot of interesting discussions to the table. With my previous post I just wanted to point out some specific things about those 3 scenes, nothing more.

Of course she's provoking Nika in her bedroom, that's what playing the serpent is, she's trying to put a spell on him by seduction. But what I say is that she wouldn't actually cheat. In the case that Nika took the bait and tried to flirt with her or kiss her or do something (zero chance of that happening unless he's trying to play her too, but she doesn't know that), she would probably laugh at him considering herself victorious.

Again my intention commenting this particular scene is not defending her or saying that she's acting normal, but to point out that she wouldn't commit an act of what is considered actual cheating, because doing that, specially with someone with Nika's social status, would be out of character for her.

Her reaction to Zara's interruption is not surprising at all, she just ruined her plan and her fun, and entitled spoiled people don't like things going wrong. Besides, Zara's remark previous to her sister's reaction (Did I interrupt anything?), is 100% considered impertinent by Vanessa and adds fuel to the fire.
 

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I don’t understand, can Patreon ban people just for pornography (without violence, incest, etc.)?
They can ban people if their morning coffee was without sugar. They really dont need any reason to ban anyone. And many times already they didnt gave a reason for banning a DEV. Its like a customer in a coffeeshop, the coffeeshop owner can decide to not serve him coffee and he doesnt need to give a reason for that. The same goes for patreon. Its more or less a onesided contract, they give you a platform for a percentage of your income and thats it. If they dont want you there anymore, you are a goner. At least they give notice before that.

As a publisher on patreon you dont have much rights, only copyrights in that matter. The money patrons have payed already beforehand will just be refunded and thats it.

They dont follow rules about "incest" or so here... just for example, if incest would be a real problem, why is summertime saga still on? Its not even hiding the incest... well, there is of course a good reason, it makes tons of money and patreon gets his peace of the cake too.

WiaB wasnt really making much money. So... some ass reported the game to them i guess, and they got rid of it. Patreon doesnt really investigate themselfs. If no one reports a game nothing will happen there.

I really dont know why so many DEVs decided to go via patreon in the first place, it was never a good way to get things out there, there are so many other platforms that take less money from you and dont have "rules" they change every week and dont even follow them.
 
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N1ghtcrawler

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Regards the rest, it can be read either way, but Vanessa specifically starts off antagonistic to Nika:
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If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.
She reacted to Nika who recognized her and looked at her in a certain way. She could be antagonistic to him because of that. But I'm not sure she was antagonistic.

For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke.
It doesn't show anything. There is nothing wrong with the way she talked to Nika because that's how she talks all the time. And Zara simply asks her sister to behave herself in front of the guests who don't know her. The problem with your conclusion is that you referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.

You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.

I wanted to reply more to your and gyshia915's posts, but don't have time for that. Maybe later.
 
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imzahai

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She reacted to Nika who recognized her and looked at her in a certain way. She could be antagonistic to him because of that. But I'm not sure she was antagonistic.


It doesn't show anything. There is nothing wrong with the way she talked to Nika because that's how she talks all the time. And Zara simply asks her sister to behave herself in front of the guests who don't know her. The problem with your conclusion is that you without realizing it referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.

You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.

I wanted to reply more to your and gyshia915's posts, but don't have time for that. Maybe later.
she was mocking and antagonistic to Mila, and hadn't met her prior.
 

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The problem with your conclusion is that you without realizing it referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.
No, I realise this. This is actually what I expect, it's like the entry level of society. Someone who believes in the norms of decency when they meet new people. It's the default setting for 95% of people (in the context of their culture), and Vanessa shows how selfish she is by ignoring such things. I'm not arguing for conformity, but even Nika who is considered rude and antagonistic, knows how to bite his tongue. How you achieve something is as important as why and what :)

People who don't believe in normal social interactions tend to end up isolated. Try to make up your own language in order to communicate and see how many people understand you; it's the same thing. All interaction is a dialogue, and requires both expression and reception. Dismissing how people percieve/recieve you puts you at a disadvantage. Nika understands this when he's manipulative, and uses people's expectations or thoughts as his guide to be subversive.

she was mocking and antagonistic to Mila, and hadn't met her prior.
Mila's complicated though - she's been accused of the Holgerson theft, or at least was untile we see how that scene plays out in full. I guess I should try playing a few different paths to see how Vanessa changes if your pursuing Vic or Mila instead of Bella. I've defaulted to Bella's path as it has the most content currently.
 
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BobTheDuck

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I'm not here to complain, genuinely curious: Why do the updates take so long? Is it the writing or the development side that's causing it?
It's the development side. Ocean tries to do renders that exceed the limits of his computer, no matter how many video cards he might have at any given point. The results speak for themselves in my opinion. There are also quite a few completed games in this forum which have fewer renders than one half chapter update of Ocean's games. Some games I follow have 50-100 renders per update, while Ocean's recent Ch5 Beta to Ch5 Full update has 1700 new renders.

Ocean is also developing two games that are linked, set 20 years apart, with some of the same characters.

It's a big, ambitious project.

Ocean also likes to do releases that fit the narrative; he doesn't like doing a release that stops without some sense of narrative conclusion or cliffhanger, he plans the chapters out by narrative, not by number of renders etc.

Also, currently Ocean and everyone in this thread are waiting for Steam to approve the build so the first full season can be released.
 

mostwanted8

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Of course she's provoking Nika in her bedroom, that's what playing the serpent is, she's trying to put a spell on him by seduction. But what I say is that she wouldn't actually cheat. In the case that Nika took the bait and tried to flirt with her or kiss her or do something (zero chance of that happening unless he's trying to play her too, but she doesn't know that), she would probably laugh at him considering herself victorious.

Again my intention commenting this particular scene is not defending her or saying that she's acting normal, but to point out that she wouldn't commit an act of what is considered actual cheating, because doing that, specially with someone with Nika's social status, would be out of character for her.
She might easily cheat on Mario in the future when she knows Nika better and he’s gained her respect. Mario might be her bf but she doesn’t care one bit about him, he’s nothing but a toy to her.
You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.
It’s the opposite really, her behavior changes accordingly with whom she’s talking to. If the situation requires to be socially appropriate or pretend to get ahead she will. That’s how she fooled Bella.
No, I realise this. This is actually what I expect, it's like the entry level of society. Someone who believes in the norms of decency when they meet new people. It's the default setting for 95% of people (in the context of their culture), and Vanessa shows how selfish she is by ignoring such things. I'm not arguing for conformity, but even Nika who is considered rude and antagonistic, knows how to bite his tongue. How you achieve something is as important as why and what :)

People who don't believe in normal social interactions tend to end up isolated. Try to make up your own language in order to communicate and see how many people understand you; it's the same thing. All interaction is a dialogue, and requires both expression and reception. Dismissing how people percieve/recieve you puts you at a disadvantage. Nika understands this when he's manipulative, and uses people's expectations or thoughts as his guide to be subversive.
It’s not like this though. She doesn’t bother lying to Nika after he’s seen through her. She treats him, Nami and Noji with a bit of disdain cause they’re lower in the social hierarchy, she can afford to. We can assume she’s more gracious when interacting with the rest of high society, putting on a nice front for the sake of appearances, otherwise Bella would mention her as troubling when she and Nika first speak of her. She has no disadvantage compared to Nika who also acts like an outcast, just for revealing her true nature once when she could afford to. She does the same thing with Mario cause she knows she can torture him without consequences.

We can say Bella is a sociopath (poor impulse control, acting in anger, showing open disdain for social norms even more than Venessa) while Vanessa is a psychopath (cold, more calculating, lies easily). They both have antisocial personality disorder, which is not the same as asocial btw.
 

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I wish we'd stayed with Zara and Venessa instead of moving out.

As for Venessa, she's actually similar to Nika in many ways. They're both very smart and good at using people. When Venessa realised that Nika was the hunter, not the prey, the two lions actually faced each other.
So will the two lions be enemies or allies? We shall see...
 
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