VN Ren'Py Abandoned Summer's Gone [S1 Steam + DLC] [Oceanlab]

[gyshia915]

You're right, I misremembered who revealed the butt plug. My apologies to Vanessa for that.

Regards the rest, it can be read either way, but Vanessa specifically starts off antagonistic to Nika:

Spoiler: Zara knows Vanessa well enough to know that she's being intentionally rude to Nick's guest

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If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.

Spoiler: Vanessa the turns 180 and specifically riles Zara about her dad's guest trying to make some sparks fly

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Nick isn't impressed by Vanessa's antics, and knows Vanessa is trying to start something.

Spoiler: Vanessa backs a stranger she's just met to undermine Zara, knowing what their mum was like

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Spoiler: Vanessa got Mario to wear the buttplug even though he wasn't into it

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How to say I'm not dominant by being dominant and in control.

Okay, so SHe didn't reveal about Mario, but she's going out of her way to make life uncomfortable for Nika and Zara, and it is at Nick's expense. Zara behaves; even if she resents Nika for the game, she knows she's there to support her dad.

ni "You two seem to have a nice relationship."

The look Vanessa gives Noji when Nick says this about Nami and Nika sets her wondering, the focus on her is Ocean drawing our attention that Vanessa is paying attention. I'd say some of what she's doing in the jacuzzi, is the further enflame things - provoke, merely to witness the reaction, take the information and use it later.

At best Vanessa treats everyone as if they're just pieces to play with. Zara's acting far more mature than Vanessa overall in this situation. Last observation; the anger with which Vanessa says:

va "Maybe [name] was about to put the moves on me- or maybe he wasn't."
scene ad735 with vpunch
va "We'll never find out, thanks to you."

I simply don't get how anyone can defend this, even if she's trying to see how far Nika might go, she's still enticing him, still in essence provoking him. A woman acting that much like a cock tease I would have no respect for. Who else does she do this with while having a boyfriend? Her intention is also no innocence, considering her sudden reaction to Zara breaking the moment.

But I'll shut up about it now, she's not completely evil, only 90% now, I only lost the buttplug theory, the rest of her is still a snake

Please don't shut up. I like to read the theories of all of you, and you bring a lot of interesting discussions to the table. With my previous post I just wanted to point out some specific things about those 3 scenes, nothing more.

Of course she's provoking Nika in her bedroom, that's what playing the serpent is, she's trying to put a spell on him by seduction. But what I say is that she wouldn't actually cheat. In the case that Nika took the bait and tried to flirt with her or kiss her or do something (zero chance of that happening unless he's trying to play her too, but she doesn't know that), she would probably laugh at him considering herself victorious.

Again my intention commenting this particular scene is not defending her or saying that she's acting normal, but to point out that she wouldn't commit an act of what is considered actual cheating, because doing that, specially with someone with Nika's social status, would be out of character for her.

Her reaction to Zara's interruption is not surprising at all, she just ruined her plan and her fun, and entitled spoiled people don't like things going wrong. Besides, Zara's remark previous to her sister's reaction (Did I interrupt anything?), is 100% considered impertinent by Vanessa and adds fuel to the fire.

 

[Hahn1900]

I don’t understand, can Patreon ban people just for pornography (without violence, incest, etc.)?

They can ban people if their morning coffee was without sugar. They really dont need any reason to ban anyone. And many times already they didnt gave a reason for banning a DEV. Its like a customer in a coffeeshop, the coffeeshop owner can decide to not serve him coffee and he doesnt need to give a reason for that. The same goes for patreon. Its more or less a onesided contract, they give you a platform for a percentage of your income and thats it. If they dont want you there anymore, you are a goner. At least they give notice before that.

As a publisher on patreon you dont have much rights, only copyrights in that matter. The money patrons have payed already beforehand will just be refunded and thats it.

They dont follow rules about "incest" or so here... just for example, if incest would be a real problem, why is summertime saga still on? Its not even hiding the incest... well, there is of course a good reason, it makes tons of money and patreon gets his peace of the cake too.

WiaB wasnt really making much money. So... some ass reported the game to them i guess, and they got rid of it. Patreon doesnt really investigate themselfs. If no one reports a game nothing will happen there.

I really dont know why so many DEVs decided to go via patreon in the first place, it was never a good way to get things out there, there are so many other platforms that take less money from you and dont have "rules" they change every week and dont even follow them.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

Regards the rest, it can be read either way, but Vanessa specifically starts off antagonistic to Nika:

Spoiler: Zara knows Vanessa well enough to know that she's being intentionally rude to Nick's guest

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If someone said to me we don't share the same social circles, it's no big deal. It's probably true. For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke. Zara's antagonistic to Nika because of the game, but she behaves for Nick's sake, even if she does get fiery.

She reacted to Nika who recognized her and looked at her in a certain way. She could be antagonistic to him because of that. But I'm not sure she was antagonistic.

For someone else to notice the way it's said, shows a lot about how Vanessa spoke.

It doesn't show anything. There is nothing wrong with the way she talked to Nika because that's how she talks all the time. And Zara simply asks her sister to behave herself in front of the guests who don't know her. The problem with your conclusion is that you referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.

You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.

I wanted to reply more to your and gyshia915's posts, but don't have time for that. Maybe later.

 

[imzahai]

She reacted to Nika who recognized her and looked at her in a certain way. She could be antagonistic to him because of that. But I'm not sure she was antagonistic.


It doesn't show anything. There is nothing wrong with the way she talked to Nika because that's how she talks all the time. And Zara simply asks her sister to behave herself in front of the guests who don't know her. The problem with your conclusion is that you without realizing it referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.

You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.

I wanted to reply more to your and gyshia915's posts, but don't have time for that. Maybe later.

she was mocking and antagonistic to Mila, and hadn't met her prior.

 

[N1ghtcrawler]

she was mocking and antagonistic to Mila, and hadn't met her prior

Right. I already forgot that scene. But I don't remember there being any mocking, though. If I'm not mistaken, she was praising Mila's body in her twisted way.

 

[BobTheDuck]

The problem with your conclusion is that you without realizing it referred Vanessa to ordinary people who have norms of decency when it comes to how to speak with people.

No, I realise this. This is actually what I expect, it's like the entry level of society. Someone who believes in the norms of decency when they meet new people. It's the default setting for 95% of people (in the context of their culture), and Vanessa shows how selfish she is by ignoring such things. I'm not arguing for conformity, but even Nika who is considered rude and antagonistic, knows how to bite his tongue. How you achieve something is as important as why and what

People who don't believe in normal social interactions tend to end up isolated. Try to make up your own language in order to communicate and see how many people understand you; it's the same thing. All interaction is a dialogue, and requires both expression and reception. Dismissing how people percieve/recieve you puts you at a disadvantage. Nika understands this when he's manipulative, and uses people's expectations or thoughts as his guide to be subversive.

she was mocking and antagonistic to Mila, and hadn't met her prior.

Mila's complicated though - she's been accused of the Holgerson theft, or at least was untile we see how that scene plays out in full. I guess I should try playing a few different paths to see how Vanessa changes if your pursuing Vic or Mila instead of Bella. I've defaulted to Bella's path as it has the most content currently.

 

[superseveneight]

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Those who know...

 

[Pope Alexander VI]

I'm not here to complain, genuinely curious: Why do the updates take so long? Is it the writing or the development side that's causing it?

 

[BobTheDuck]

I'm not here to complain, genuinely curious: Why do the updates take so long? Is it the writing or the development side that's causing it?

It's the development side. Ocean tries to do renders that exceed the limits of his computer, no matter how many video cards he might have at any given point. The results speak for themselves in my opinion. There are also quite a few completed games in this forum which have fewer renders than one half chapter update of Ocean's games. Some games I follow have 50-100 renders per update, while Ocean's recent Ch5 Beta to Ch5 Full update has 1700 new renders.

Ocean is also developing two games that are linked, set 20 years apart, with some of the same characters.

It's a big, ambitious project.

Ocean also likes to do releases that fit the narrative; he doesn't like doing a release that stops without some sense of narrative conclusion or cliffhanger, he plans the chapters out by narrative, not by number of renders etc.

Also, currently Ocean and everyone in this thread are waiting for Steam to approve the build so the first full season can be released.

 

[mostwanted8]

Of course she's provoking Nika in her bedroom, that's what playing the serpent is, she's trying to put a spell on him by seduction. But what I say is that she wouldn't actually cheat. In the case that Nika took the bait and tried to flirt with her or kiss her or do something (zero chance of that happening unless he's trying to play her too, but she doesn't know that), she would probably laugh at him considering herself victorious.

Again my intention commenting this particular scene is not defending her or saying that she's acting normal, but to point out that she wouldn't commit an act of what is considered actual cheating, because doing that, specially with someone with Nika's social status, would be out of character for her.

She might easily cheat on Mario in the future when she knows Nika better and he’s gained her respect. Mario might be her bf but she doesn’t care one bit about him, he’s nothing but a toy to her.

You can argue that we've only seen her interactions with Nika and his family, but I highly doubt that her behavior will change even slightly when it comes to someone else.

It’s the opposite really, her behavior changes accordingly with whom she’s talking to. If the situation requires to be socially appropriate or pretend to get ahead she will. That’s how she fooled Bella.

No, I realise this. This is actually what I expect, it's like the entry level of society. Someone who believes in the norms of decency when they meet new people. It's the default setting for 95% of people (in the context of their culture), and Vanessa shows how selfish she is by ignoring such things. I'm not arguing for conformity, but even Nika who is considered rude and antagonistic, knows how to bite his tongue. How you achieve something is as important as why and what

People who don't believe in normal social interactions tend to end up isolated. Try to make up your own language in order to communicate and see how many people understand you; it's the same thing. All interaction is a dialogue, and requires both expression and reception. Dismissing how people percieve/recieve you puts you at a disadvantage. Nika understands this when he's manipulative, and uses people's expectations or thoughts as his guide to be subversive.

It’s not like this though. She doesn’t bother lying to Nika after he’s seen through her. She treats him, Nami and Noji with a bit of disdain cause they’re lower in the social hierarchy, she can afford to. We can assume she’s more gracious when interacting with the rest of high society, putting on a nice front for the sake of appearances, otherwise Bella would mention her as troubling when she and Nika first speak of her. She has no disadvantage compared to Nika who also acts like an outcast, just for revealing her true nature once when she could afford to. She does the same thing with Mario cause she knows she can torture him without consequences.

We can say Bella is a sociopath (poor impulse control, acting in anger, showing open disdain for social norms even more than Venessa) while Vanessa is a psychopath (cold, more calculating, lies easily). They both have antisocial personality disorder, which is not the same as asocial btw.

 

[burbero]

I wish we'd stayed with Zara and Venessa instead of moving out.

As for Venessa, she's actually similar to Nika in many ways. They're both very smart and good at using people. When Venessa realised that Nika was the hunter, not the prey, the two lions actually faced each other.
So will the two lions be enemies or allies? We shall see...

 

[burbero]

So why don't we ever talk about Robin? Doesn't anyone know he's up to something? She's also our soon-to-be roommate.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I wish we'd stayed with Zara and Venessa instead of moving out.

As for Venessa, she's actually similar to Nika in many ways. They're both very smart and good at using people. When Venessa realised that Nika was the hunter, not the prey, the two lions actually faced each other.
So will the two lions be enemies or allies? We shall see...

The MC and Nami will be staying at Nick's for a few weeks until the housing is ready.

What we don't know is how Ocean will cover those few weeks in terms of chapters.

I won't regurgitate my prior post on this but will go with a quick summary.

I think we will see a compressed week/series of weeks (not in the next chapter but coming soon), that gives depth to important story lines and skims the 'regular' day-to-day activities of college students - like classes, studying, the Nika/Bella project and BB training.

I think we will see greater depth and full scenes for key story interactions (like the book club event), important LI interactions, the Amber/Nika cabin visit, the BB game against the first team and the raid on Melanie Ceril's sorority house at a competing college (Zara asked this of the MC if she was going to train him as part of making the BB first team).

We've seen one other time skip earlier in CH 1, when we transition from the day of the Vic hospital visit and skip several weeks to arrive at the first day of college where Noji takes Nika and Nami to school.

Cheers!!

 

[BobTheDuck]

Should be

Yeah, about that, is there any estimated release date? I tried to lookup couple last pages for info but you guys are pretty active here.

It should be on steam by the end of the week, if they find nothing to complain about, so fingers crossed

 

[yossa999]

Some games I follow have 50-100 renders per update, while Ocean's recent Ch5 Beta to Ch5 Full update has 1700 new renders.

The hillarious thing is that people showed me such games with a dead pan face as a proof that a good solo dev can create games with excellent graphics and frequent regular updates.

Yeah, sure. I won’t argue about the quality of graphics; the level of 3dcg artists in AVN world has grown greatly over the past few years. Or whether the capabilities of 3d modeling software have improved a lot, I'm not sure. But 150-200 renders every 3 months creates a false sense of a regulary updated game, but in fact, they deliver half or three times less content per year than Ocean does for just one of his games.

I don't know about others, but I usually save such updates for a year or so before playing.

 

[BobTheDuck]

So why don't we ever talk about Robin? Doesn't anyone know he's up to something? She's also our soon-to-be roommate.

Robin is the most wholesome girl after Vic. Only reason for her being in second place is 1. Charlie is a vampire, which should make anyone cautious of her daughter and 2. Vic automatically wins for anyone who can feel sympathy.

More seriously, there is only the one episode where Robin freaks out because people are wondering if she humped Nika. Currently we have very little to go on. If she becomes a roommate, that means she'll be away from the vampire and we'll get to actually know her. I'm guessing that because Nika's set a goal to disrupt Charlie for Noji's sake (or amusement), we'll see a lot more of Robin.

Robin, Maja and Ayua are my favourites, even though I doubt I'll see as much screen time with them as with others. Ayua and Maja are almost certainly not LI's, and Robin was just in a supporting role from the start But maybe Ocean will add Robin, I will hope.

 

[AlexFXR]

I'm not here to complain, genuinely curious: Why do the updates take so long? Is it the writing or the development side that's causing it?

As you can see, Ocean, instead of developing the game, spent 5 months on rework. Therefore, the game is being developed very slowly.

 

[Don Sucio]

The hillarious thing is that people showed me such games with a dead pan face as a proof that a good solo dev can create games with excellent graphics and frequent regular updates.

Yeah, sure. I won’t argue about the quality of graphics; the level of 3dcg artists in AVN world has grown greatly over the past few years. Or whether the capabilities of 3d modeling software have improved a lot, I'm not sure. But 150-200 renders every 3 months creates a false sense of a regulary updated game, but in fact, they deliver half or three times less content per year than Ocean does for just one of his games.

I don't know about others, but I usually save such updates for a year or so before playing.

Yeah, less content doesn't just mean less game time, it means less progress in the story and less rhythm for the player for dive in the story,i can´t see how the players can make theories and be thinking in what can happen next if the update is short and there weren´t many interesting events that make the plot go interesting... So i always will prefer bigs updates in more time of development.

Anyway i think the majority of us can coincide in the exagerate time of development of Ocean, this topic has been discussed so many times here and i don´t want to start another discussion about this, it was just an innocent comment

As you can see, Ocean, instead of developing the game, spent 5 months on rework. Therefore, the game is being developed very slowly.

Well, yeah, but i think the rework was necessary, i mean, if we compare the old version renders and the new... It´s incredible the good work Ocean is doing.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Why is chapter 2 visually different from 1,3and up

 

[Hahn1900]

Why is chapter 2 visually different from 1,3and up

the whole game was reworked, and the rework is not complete in the beta... wait for the full version