BobTheDuck
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Pointless debates??? We're just twiddling out thumbs while we wait, we'd forget more if we didn't! Some of these discussionsAll the traits you attribute to sociopaths can be attributed to psychopaths and vice versa. Moreover, coldness and calculating are not necessary traits of psychopaths, they are cliche from the popular media.
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Now, I'm not a psychiatrist, so you can take anything I say with skepticism. But as far as I know, there is no established distinction between psychopath and sociopath. Both are synonymous with antisocial personality disorder, yes. But what is now called APD used to be explicitly called psychopathy. Sociopath is not a formal term. Sorry if you think I'm trying to act smart-ass here, but both words have been used differently so many times that their meanings is completely blurred now.
From an average point of view, I think it would be accurate to say that the stereoptypical serial killer is a psychopath, but the person who calmly steps over a dying body to get to his car is a sociopath.
There's no way Bella has APD. Given her feelings, which she shows to Nika and her sister, this is simply impossible. If you want to see how a person with APD really interacts with people, I highly recommend you to watch Nightcrawler. This is the most realistic depiction of a sociopath/psychopath who is not a typical serial killer. It's also a great movie. Or just watch these scenesYou must be registered to see the links,You must be registered to see the links,You must be registered to see the links,You must be registered to see the links. Judging by them, Vanessa could be in this guy's place. I didn't think so at first, but after you mentioned it, I can see Vanessa has APD, easily. But it's too early to judge for sure.
The situation requires is the key here. She changed her behavior because she suspected Bella is one thing, she changed her behavior because she views Bella as upper/lower class is different thing.
Here I was writing an epic reply. "What the hell are you talking about?" "We were arguing about whether Vanessa was intentionally hostile to Nika" blah blah blah. Then I opened the dialog file.
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So yes, you were right and I was right, she was intentionally hostile to him, but because of the way he looked at her.
The longer we wait for the final version, the more we forget and the more pointless debates we have.
But hey, now you can lower your Vanessa is evil rating at least 80%. 85% considering you were half right.
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However, I noticed something when I was reading the dialogs. Bella mentioned that Stefan lusts after her mother. When I remembered how weird Amber was acting with Nika, and I was like. I mean, during my playthrough her behavior didn't seem odd to mee because this is an adult VN. But maybe in the context of Bella's hatred towards Stefan, the problem is actually Amber?
I chose all the nicest choices with Nika
- I'm certain most evil/heartless choices will backfire in a story about healing. But by the context of the dinner with the Benz's, he manages to defuse the Zara situation, and by the end of the night has turned it around. THe subsequent scene with Zara on the street court, her being eager to have Nika around, show that Nika can bite his tongue. He specifically mentions he's there to support Noji when he almost drops Zara in the pool. The locker room thing he takes the hit to prevent too much resentment. There's heaps of times he masks purely to fit the social expectations, and he's rusty, not used to being out in people's faces. Yet, he manages at the book club again. And he knows not to play with private toys he doesn't own, unlike the girls. So yeah, I'd say that he knows when to be polite, and he also knows when to push it. The earlier stuff is a direct result of him not socialising - he's disconnected. By Ch5 he's stressed still by people, bt he's remembered how to respond, how to interact to a fair extent.Vanessa is also trying to suss him out, but uses Zara as a proxy, tries to get her angry at Nika almost constantly. Sibling rivalry is a thing, but even still. Vanessa might be intelligent, but she seems the odd one out of the Benz's, Nick an Zara both act like solid people even in Zara's case when she's angry. Vanessa for all her intelligence is really obvious in the way she tries to trigger everyone, even Noji. Nick calls her out on it as well, not just Zara. Also her ego makes her think she's special, the way she smiled when she said:
va "Not that I'm not used to being stared at... I mean, look at me.
She's way too into herself.
Regards, Amber, as a psych, she knows exactly what she's doing. Remember that she's giving Stefanie relationship advice on the phone. It seems to me that her professional warmth and empathy go maybe too far - Nika notices it at the bookclub when he realises why she's introducing herself to him - she is perhaps very considerate and it gets misread. But she also has pierced nipples, so, a wild child as well. Bella's got an example of how to live large and calm down later right at home. I think as we find out more about Amber's other daughter we'll get a better idea of this.
Considering Bella stole back the teddy, I'm wondering if it was her sisters, and she sees AMber giving it away as AMber becoming resigned to her sister never waking, while Bella still hopes.
Absolutely she does know. Noji would've spoken about them at least, just like you already know that one of Nick's kids is very unique. There's also a case to be made that Vanessa already knows what she needs to know, and is just toying with Nika to prove her superiority, or to make him nervous enough to make a mistake.
"You know the answer":
$ VaInt = True
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va "*whisper* I do indeed."
Or she just needs people to acknowledge she's better, just like Zara does, and sets people up to prove how she's outmanoeuvred them.
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