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N1ghtcrawler

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Pointless debates??? We're just twiddling out thumbs while we wait, we'd forget more if we didn't! Some of these discussions

I chose all the nicest choices with Nika :) - I'm certain most evil/heartless choices will backfire in a story about healing. But by the context of the dinner with the Benz's, he manages to defuse the Zara situation, and by the end of the night has turned it around. THe subsequent scene with Zara on the street court, her being eager to have Nika around, show that Nika can bite his tongue. He specifically mentions he's there to support Noji when he almost drops Zara in the pool. The locker room thing he takes the hit to prevent too much resentment. There's heaps of times he masks purely to fit the social expectations, and he's rusty, not used to being out in people's faces. Yet, he manages at the book club again. And he knows not to play with private toys he doesn't own, unlike the girls. So yeah, I'd say that he knows when to be polite, and he also knows when to push it. The earlier stuff is a direct result of him not socialising - he's disconnected. By Ch5 he's stressed still by people, bt he's remembered how to respond, how to interact to a fair extent.

Vanessa is also trying to suss him out, but uses Zara as a proxy, tries to get her angry at Nika almost constantly. Sibling rivalry is a thing, but even still. Vanessa might be intelligent, but she seems the odd one out of the Benz's, Nick an Zara both act like solid people even in Zara's case when she's angry. Vanessa for all her intelligence is really obvious in the way she tries to trigger everyone, even Noji. Nick calls her out on it as well, not just Zara. Also her ego makes her think she's special, the way she smiled when she said:

va "Not that I'm not used to being stared at... I mean, look at me.

She's way too into herself.

Regards, Amber, as a psych, she knows exactly what she's doing. Remember that she's giving Stefanie relationship advice on the phone. It seems to me that her professional warmth and empathy go maybe too far - Nika notices it at the bookclub when he realises why she's introducing herself to him - she is perhaps very considerate and it gets misread. But she also has pierced nipples, so, a wild child as well. Bella's got an example of how to live large and calm down later right at home. I think as we find out more about Amber's other daughter we'll get a better idea of this.

Considering Bella stole back the teddy, I'm wondering if it was her sisters, and she sees AMber giving it away as AMber becoming resigned to her sister never waking, while Bella still hopes.



Absolutely she does know. Noji would've spoken about them at least, just like you already know that one of Nick's kids is very unique. There's also a case to be made that Vanessa already knows what she needs to know, and is just toying with Nika to prove her superiority, or to make him nervous enough to make a mistake.

"You know the answer":
$ VaInt = True
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va "*whisper* I do indeed."

Or she just needs people to acknowledge she's better, just like Zara does, and sets people up to prove how she's outmanoeuvred them.
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Just throwing out a messed up theory twist. Nami killed her. Just throwing it out there.
I've already told you guys. Vanessa kidnapped her and sold her to the Holgersons.
 

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I'm cool with that especially her remark to Mila even though Mila never met her. Truthfully we know her boyfriend likes Mila. But please no Leap of Faith shit. She comes back to find out she was 21 undercover Agent.
I have this game on my must try list. Thanks for the spoiler bro (y)
 
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All the traits you attribute to sociopaths can be attributed to psychopaths and vice versa. Moreover, coldness and calculating are not necessary traits of psychopaths, they are cliche from the popular media.

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Now, I'm not a psychiatrist, so you can take anything I say with skepticism. But as far as I know, there is no established distinction between psychopath and sociopath. Both are synonymous with antisocial personality disorder, yes. But what is now called APD used to be explicitly called psychopathy. Sociopath is not a formal term. Sorry if you think I'm trying to act smart-ass here, but both words have been used differently so many times that their meanings is completely blurred now.

From an average point of view, I think it would be accurate to say that the stereoptypical serial killer is a psychopath, but the person who calmly steps over a dying body to get to his car is a sociopath.
Getting technical there… You mention one study but plenty of other studies mention “sociopaths” and “psychopaths” and their different manifestations within APD, which fit my descriptions. So both terms are perfectly viable when making a distinction.
There's no way Bella has APD. Given her feelings, which she shows to Nika and her sister, this is simply impossible. If you want to see how a person with APD really interacts with people, I highly recommend you to watch Nightcrawler. This is the most realistic depiction of a sociopath/psychopath who is not a typical serial killer. It's also a great movie. Or just watch these scenes , , , . Judging by them, Vanessa could be in this guy's place. I didn't think so at first, but after you mentioned it, I can see Vanessa has APD, easily. But it's too early to judge for sure.
Sociopaths do form attachments although not easily, which totally fits Bella, as you can read in the spoiler below.
At the end of the day Bella still exhibits a ton of antisocial behavior akin to “sociopathy”. Her mom who is a psychiatrist reins her in a lot and has likely done some work with her through the years.
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Also that guy from the movie looks like a psychopath.
The situation requires is the key here. She changed her behavior because she suspected Bella is one thing, she changed her behavior because she views Bella as upper/lower class is different thing.
Well, yeah. Same principle though.
 
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Absolutely agree, Therapy will be the key if my theory has a chance. When you are at the Frohns house if you take Nami outside he tells her he is going to have to break his word to her and tell Amber something. Think that something is going to be important. what my theory is I will keep to myself till the next update of the game. In another year.
Agree, i respect your decision to keep to yourself your theory, but if you want to share it someday i would like to hear it, is one of the things i most like of this game, the theories.
 
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Agree, i respect your decision to keep to yourself your theory, but if you want to share it someday i would like to hear it, is one of the things i most like of this game, the theories.
Screw it update won't happen for too long and my old ass will forget. I think the secret is that Nami and Nika have been intimate maybe as gone as far as sex. When summer disappeared they agreed to act like it never happened. That's why Nika gets bothered by her talks in front of people. Also his depression and isolation is related to that as well. He said he saw summer one more time but never went into it. Summer saw Nika and Nami. Again just theory on pieces. I think Ocean is throwing alot of misdirection at us.
 

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It's nice to have for sure but I'd have preferred it if they started on the rework after they finished the game. It definitely wasn't *necessary*.
I'm going to disagree with you.

Once Ocean decided to go with a Steam release of Season 1 - it became *Necessary*.

Steam is about a Huge audience who actually pays for SG.

This means resourcing for the major hardware upgrades and the expensive music licenses, among other things.

I get that some here on F95 disagree but F95 free downloads don't pay the bills or provide for the hardware and music license expenses.

Steam success is about providing an AVN good enough that people buy SG and enjoy it enough to keep it and tell others how much they liked it.

I'm planning on both buying a Steam copy for myself and gifting it to friends as well, even though I already support via SS.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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Screw it update won't happen for too long and my old ass will forget. I think the secret is that Nami and Nika have been intimate maybe as gone as far as sex. When summer disappeared they agreed to act like it never happened. That's why Nika gets bothered by her talks in front of people. Also his depression and isolation is related to that as well. He said he saw summer one more time but never went into it. Summer saw Nika and Nami. Again just theory on pieces. I think Ocean is throwing alot of misdirection at us.
Nami's stated she's a virgin, so they haven't gone that far, but I think that intimacy was involved in whatever they kept silent about. Maybe Nami tried to roleplay Summer, maybe in an attempt to get him out of his head after Summer disappeared, or maybe to become the target of his affections? The way she wears Summer's hairstyle even though she knows it'll affect Nika certainly shows that she's comfortable with getting his affection in any way she can.
 

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Nami's stated she's a virgin, so they haven't gone that far, but I think that intimacy was involved in whatever they kept silent about. Maybe Nami tried to roleplay Summer, maybe in an attempt to get him out of his head after Summer disappeared, or maybe to become the target of his affections? The way she wears Summer's hairstyle even though she knows it'll affect Nika certainly shows that she's comfortable with getting his affection in any way she can.
That's one of the things I like about Oceans stuff so far. Alot of things that are said you take with a grain of salt so much manipulation. You never know what they say is truth. Leaves you with theories especially the longer it takes for chapters to come out. WIAB is the same way.
 
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Screw it update won't happen for too long and my old ass will forget. I think the secret is that Nami and Nika have been intimate maybe as gone as far as sex. When summer disappeared they agreed to act like it never happened. That's why Nika gets bothered by her talks in front of people. Also his depression and isolation is related to that as well. He said he saw summer one more time but never went into it. Summer saw Nika and Nami. Again just theory on pieces. I think Ocean is throwing alot of misdirection at us.
It could be yeah, that would explain why Nami is trying so hard to fuck Nika,and she isn´t shy when she tries (after a moment,then she react shyly). But like Bob said she is a virgin so maybe no sex, but a blowjob or mutual masturbation? :unsure:

Nami's stated she's a virgin, so they haven't gone that far, but I think that intimacy was involved in whatever they kept silent about. Maybe Nami tried to roleplay Summer, maybe in an attempt to get him out of his head after Summer disappeared, or maybe to become the target of his affections? The way she wears Summer's hairstyle even though she knows it'll affect Nika certainly shows that she's comfortable with getting his affection in any way she can.
The roleplay thing surprised me, i didn´t think about that :oops:,it would be a brave and sick way to try to get Nika attention and try to cure him, specially if Summer´s dissapearance was recent.
 
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Could be good too, but i think is better this way. We have to keep in mind that Ocean has changed his view of the game, i´m talking about the strong dark theme in the old version and some changes in scenes too. I haven´t played the old version so i can´t speak too much but i think Ocean started this rework for more consistency in the story, so is good in the end, and the earlier the better.
That a fact? So the MC isn't an insane psycho anymore?
 

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It's nice to have for sure but I'd have preferred it if they started on the rework after they finished the game. It definitely wasn't *necessary*.
Leaving the rendering quality aside, the old work has plot holes so big you could drive 2 18-wheelers through them side by side. The rework is absolutely necessary if for nothing else other than an overall coherent story down the line.
 

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That a fact? So the MC isn't an insane psycho anymore?
I presume if you're asking this question, you're waiting for the first full season to play? It's a good plan to wait the (hopefully) few more days) as you'll have all the content of the first season.

He's not the happiest of campers, but he's no longer looking for a trenchcoat to wear to school while eating dolphin sandwiches.

I just realised the gun in the first version was foreshadowing. Nika's still trying to shoot blanks.
 

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That a fact? So the MC isn't an insane psycho anymore?
Like i said, i didn´t play the old version but all te comments i see for people who have played it are that Nika is no more a psychopath, but he still beeing darker,i mean, you can act a little shady.
 

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Like i said, i didn´t play the old version but all te comments i see for people who have played it are that Nika is no more a psychopath, but he still beeing darker,i mean, you can act a little shady.
I played it back in the day and thank god Ocean changed it, otherwise few people would like Nika and care for his redemption.
The strongest point of Summer's Gone is Nika, the protagonist. Most AVN protagonists are either dumb or pushovers or a combination of the two or extremely vanilla aka 0 personality... Nika is the best AVN protagonist precisely because of that, he has a clear-cut personality and his own view of the world and doesn't let people step on him. His flaws only make him a more interesting and humane character and he's slowly overcoming them, that's the beauty of the game.
 

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Getting technical there… You mention one study but plenty of other studies mention “sociopaths” and “psychopaths” and their different manifestations within APD, which fit my descriptions. So both terms are perfectly viable when making a distinction.

Sociopaths do form attachments although not easily, which totally fits Bella, as you can read in the spoiler below.
At the end of the day Bella still exhibits a ton of antisocial behavior akin to “sociopathy”. Her mom who is a psychiatrist reins her in a lot and has likely done some work with her through the years.
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Also that guy from the movie looks like a psychopath.

Well, yeah. Same principle though.
I didn't mention studies. I mentioned the official terminology of the , which was adopted by the International Health Organization. This classification lists diagnostic criteria, symptoms and treatment of diseases. The world would be in complete mess if such classification did not exist.

All professional psychotherapists in the world work according to ICD. There is nothing wrong with psychotherapists who offer alternative studies. This is how medicine develops. However, my logic tells me that they are still required to work according to the official classification. Violating medical laws is no joke. They risk losing their license or even going to jail if they diagnose and prescribe treatment to patients on their own whim. Imagine the consequences for a patient who falls into the hands of such a doctor.

I checked the ICD. There is no mention of sociopathy or psychopathy, only antisocial personality disorder. I haven't examined it very well, though. The interface is just hell. Alternatively, the US has the , which is heavily based on the ICD. And it mentions psychopathy and sociopathy:

"The essential feature of antisocial personality disorder is a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. This pattern has also been referred to as psychopathy, sociopathy, or dyssocial personality disorder."

So don't touch APD, it's for Vanessa! :devilish:
Find something else for Bella.
Like Borderline Personality Disorder.
It fits her much better.
 
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