Correct.If I'm not mistaken, even if you don't go with Bella on the heist, it's still possible to have her way
We're all very curious. Sasha's bodyguard is clearly known in Ch5, and we see her in Ch1 in the mensa.Okay, now I'm seriously intrigued. Who's that enchanting figure? She keeps popping up in the background, sometimes at the most perfect moments. Any theories?
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You know, it's kind of amusing how frequently her silhouette appears in the background. I mean, sure, she might be Sasha's bodyguard, but it feels like she's popping up more often than your average background security detail:
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There are many go-no go points throughout the game, but by the end of Ch 5, it's still possible to play around behind Bella's back without telling her anything or her knowing anything.I think the throuple paths are going to be quite intense. Bella pretty much doesn't care if you've kissed Vic, but is grossed out if you've kissed Mila, mainly because Mila broke Bella trust. And it's possible to get both Mila and Vic dates, you have to refuse Vic first, then ask Mila, then take Vic for a walk. It does feel like everyone knows almost instantly if you've been messing around.
Okay, now I'm seriously intrigued. Who's that enchanting figure? She keeps popping up in the background, sometimes at the most perfect moments. Any theories?
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You know, it's kind of amusing how frequently her silhouette appears in the background. I mean, sure, she might be Sasha's bodyguard, but it feels like she's popping up more often than your average background security detail:
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Yeah, as Nika would say: Actions have consequences.About the healing theme in the game.
I'll probably touch on this topic in more detail after I replay the game, but for now I just want to briefly say that one of the main factors in what I'll think about the Holgersons' storyline and Bella specifically, will be how they affect Nika and Bella. You can make any excuse you want, say how bad the Holgersons are, how evil Vanessa is and that they just wanted to help Mila and so on, but that doesn't change Nika and Bella's behavior. There was nothing smart about the heist and the attempt to use Vanessa. That was dumb. And then there's also the moral issue and the fact that they brought trouble on Mila. The moral side is especially about Bella. Look at what she did to the woman in the restaurant. To start her theme of healing, simple remorse is not enough. There should be consequences for their actions and these consequences should hit them as hard as possible. If there are no consequences, all these themes of healing and redemption are worth nothing.
I have no likes left, but yes I agree, there needs to be some sort of recognition in the story that they are not heroes, that there are no excuses for that behaviour. Nika excalated hard against Mario simply because he was calling Mila names - the whole plan everything there is purely based on Nika's inability to let it slide. He then triggers Bella, and can't back down, which leads to the heist, which leads to the need to do something against Stefan indirectly, and on it goes. We thing find out Mila's history with Mario in Ch4.5 and what he was like back then, which further weakens any sense of justification.About the healing theme in the game.
I'll probably touch on this topic in more detail after I replay the game, but for now I just want to briefly say that one of the main factors in what I'll think about the Holgersons' storyline and Bella specifically, will be what consequences Bella and Nika face. You can make any excuse you want, say how bad the Holgersons are, how evil Vanessa is and that they just wanted to help Mila and so on, but that doesn't change Nika and Bella's behavior. There was nothing smart about the heist and the attempt to use Vanessa. That was dumb. And then there's also the moral issue and the fact that they brought trouble on Mila. The moral side is especially about Bella. Look at what she did to the woman in the restaurant. To start her theme of healing, simple remorse is not enough. There should be consequences for their actions and these consequences should hit them as hard as possible. If there are no consequences, all these themes of healing and redemption are worth nothing.
Very unlikely - penises would put it in 18+ so the animation is long gone. The visual side of it, well the argument that they're actually just using a jacuzzi to relax, rather than as a lewd thing makes more sense to me - even if Vanessa is very open minded, she's known these two strange people for a couple of hours in the game. It makes it a more conversational scene, which suits the situation better, and highlights the sensuality of the strip show Vanessa gave Nika as an intimate action.The jacuzzi scene is the next scene that needs to be uncensored. All the titties that have been shown that shouldn't be a problem. Plus for some odd reason I liked when Vanessa stuck her finger in Nami mouth. UNCENSOR JACUZZI.
Really well said! A couple of minor observations - we know that Summer's parents and aunt thought Nika was trash - that Summer would end up in a trailer park drinking beer. I am not certain that the deal necessarily relates to the violent incident. It could be mutual silence over something illegal they got into, that lead to Nika being charged ...I just had the thought that Nika might have been charged with something because Nami called Laverne actually Anyway, I think there is a very real possibility that the unspoken deal has something disturbing, related to how Nami is inside. The deal is certainly about a secret, but given the way they speak while walking, and the speech if you have a change of perception, the unspoken thing is deep. There is a lot to consider about this indeed.Honestly, the timeline is still a mystery. Especially after Nojiko's rework. It is not yet clear whether Nojiko immediately took the children to her or not. However, the first flashback in chronology shows us how Nami returns from the camp (the religious camp mentioned in Wiab?) with a new friend. Nika acted like a normal guy for his age. After Summer said that she liked MC, Nami made her first move - she tried to embarrass Nika. Then a series of small flashbacks show how the three of them became friends. However, Nami made her second move - she tried to copy Summer. The turning point was Amber's second flashback, when Summer kissed Nika. From that moment, their friendship with Nami began to crumble. In Nami's eyes, she became the third wheel. It is not entirely clear whether this really happened or Nami began to try to pull the blanket over herself, that even the incredibly kind Summer began to find her annoying. Next is the most mysterious flashback. Meeting Elsa. From here we learn that Aunt Summer strongly controls Elsa’s figure, considers Nik a bad influence for Summer. It’s not entirely clear, this because of the financial situation of Nika's family or possible grievances related to Summer's parents or perhaps even Nik's parents. However, it is still a big mystery where Summer lived, who her parents were. The last flashback - Summer has to leave for a couple of weeks, and she he is very afraid of something. This is where the clear things end, and the rest is left to guess.
After Summer disappeared, Nika changed a lot, became more wild. He also got closer to Nami again, switched his attention to her, began to manipulate and fight. From here I have 2 theories. 1-Nika began to take revenge on Nami for what she did. 2-Nika, consciously or subconsciously, also had feelings for Nami.
Nami's solo path, the scene by the lake shows the audience a scene of not only Nick smoking, but also Nami smoking, obviously not for the first time. Considering how Ocean likes to attach importance to such things, they were both rowdy. Towards the end of high school, there was a terrible incident. Nika was hospitalized. After that, they made a certain agreement. The details are not clear, but there are a few clues. They clearly agreed to remain silent about certain things. Nika forgave Nami. However, everything had its price. Both of them changed again. Especially Nik, of whom only a shadow remained.
There are still a couple of questions left. Who is this blonde with whom Nika ran away in the rain? The only thing I remember is SG, the very first version, meeting Victoria in the rain. After the rework, this scene changed.
Second question: If Nika and Nami didn't have any relationship in the past, does Nika understand that Nami always had feelings and not just now?
Third question: Did Summer realize that Nami had feelings?
The fourth and most important question: Were they really not in a relationship? Nojiko’s reaction is too strong for just a joke in the style of *I’ll make you eat tits*.
I wonder how this guy is feeling after learning that Bella has a TWIN sisterOcean is crazy... imagine creating a creature as perfect as Bella and then giving us another one just like her. Between the 2 of them and Amber I dunno even what to do... Too much hotness overload in a single family.
Honestly, the timeline is still a mystery. Especially after Nojiko's rework. It is not yet clear whether Nojiko immediately took the children to her or not. However, the first flashback in chronology shows us how Nami returns from the camp (the religious camp mentioned in Wiab?) with a new friend. Nika acted like a normal guy for his age. After Summer said that she liked MC, Nami made her first move - she tried to embarrass Nika. Then a series of small flashbacks show how the three of them became friends. However, Nami made her second move - she tried to copy Summer. The turning point was Amber's second flashback, when Summer kissed Nika. From that moment, their friendship with Nami began to crumble. In Nami's eyes, she became the third wheel. It is not entirely clear whether this really happened or Nami began to try to pull the blanket over herself, that even the incredibly kind Summer began to find her annoying. Next is the most mysterious flashback. Meeting Elsa. From here we learn that Aunt Summer strongly controls Elsa’s figure, considers Nik a bad influence for Summer. It’s not entirely clear, this because of the financial situation of Nika's family or possible grievances related to Summer's parents or perhaps even Nik's parents. However, it is still a big mystery where Summer lived, who her parents were. The last flashback - Summer has to leave for a couple of weeks, and she he is very afraid of something. This is where the clear things end, and the rest is left to guess.Mostly I thought the same, but Nika mentioning he has to break the deal and tell Amber implies it's ongoing. It could well be something that's buried, but why would there be so much trepidation and reluctance from Nami over telling about a deal to stop Nika fighting? When Nika talks about Nami being part of the reason he is the way he is and that it's not just Summer (implied) that has caused his problems, he acknowledges that unless he reveals all the trauma, Amber won't be able to help him..
So Nami becoming bitter and revenge flirting, putting Nika in awkward situations, I believe you've got it right, but what triggered her to do that right after Summer's finally out of her way and she gets Nika back to herself? Surely she'd want to just calm him down, but we know from Nia that Nika changed dramatically - we see him in class with Summer, and whenever he's with SUmmer, he's pretty happy. Nami's personality while SUmmer's around could get vindictive, but it seems like Nami being interested in boys was after Summer disappeared.
There were consequences, Mila is in danger because of Nika and Bella as you say. They didn't face harsh consequences but they both showed regret for what they did. Ties perfectly with the theme of the game, if you get too reckless you or the people you love might pay the price, so is revenge really worth it in the end? Nika and Bella learned something valuable this way.There should be consequences for their actions and these consequences should hit them as hard as possible. Otherwise, all these themes of healing and redemption are worth nothing.
I just want to see titties,penises need not applyI have no likes left, but yes I agree, there needs to be some sort of recognition in the story that they are not heroes, that there are no excuses for that behaviour. Nika excalated hard against Mario simply because he was calling Mila names - the whole plan everything there is purely based on Nika's inability to let it slide. He then triggers Bella, and can't back down, which leads to the heist, which leads to the need to do something against Stefan indirectly, and on it goes. We thing find out Mila's history with Mario in Ch4.5 and what he was like back then, which further weakens any sense of justification.
The only reason I can see that Ocean will let them off the hook is a close shave. Stefan decides to go cloak and dagger, and not do things legally, everyone plays morally ambigious roles, we find out the levels of corruption mean there will never be justice. In such a scenario, there might not be any sense in justice, other than walking away. Some things cant be fixed through an eye for an eye.
But for that to work, Ocean really will have to work hard to make the reasons for grace very compelling.
Very unlikely - penises would put it in 18+ so the animation is long gone. The visual side of it, well the argument that they're actually just using a jacuzzi to relax, rather than as a lewd thing makes more sense to me - even if Vanessa is very open minded, she's known these two strange people for a couple of hours in the game. It makes it a more conversational scene, which suits the situation better, and highlights the sensuality of the strip show Vanessa gave Nika as an intimate action.